Abortion

[gixxerboy]

I'm all for abortion first off. I'm not going to try to change your minds on what you believe. If your against it great. But thats your decision.Your "morals" shouldnt be forced upon others by banning it. Someone said that there is always adoption. Well if life is so valuable to you. If I knock up a girl can i pm you to adopt it so we dont get an abortion.

 

[Liv2grw]

No, it can't. IIRC, viability is about 28 weeks. Do you know what viability means?

As far as what I meant goes, it's the point of the difference between a baby and a fetus. Sure, maybe the fetus is "alive", but it doesn't have "a life". Guess what? I also think it's perfectly alright to pull the plug on a "vegetable" because they don't have "a life" either.

So a fetus is alive but doesnt have a life , hmm...that makes no sense

 

[Liv2grw]

I'm all for abortion first off. I'm not going to try to change your minds on what you believe. If your against it great. But thats your decision.Your "morals" shouldnt be forced upon others by banning it. Someone said that there is always adoption. Well if life is so valuable to you. If I knock up a girl can i pm you to adopt it so we dont get an abortion.

sure can just make sure you use a secure email address like cyber-rights...lol
In a seriousness I would love to save a life.

 

[Liv2grw]

Okay, if you say so, Junior.

Its ok to be wrong Pooh bear , just admit it. I love how when little boys cant argue facts they just say "if you say so" Its not that I say so its what everyone says well at least everyone that knows the FACTS.

 

[Liv2grw]

So yes a unborn fetus is now defined as unborn child, so you all that are for abortion are in fact murdering unborn children.

 

[Grizzly]

It is not defined that way by a reputable dictionary, you fuck! That was more fucking rhetoric that you posted. Great set of "facts" to argue there.

 

[Grizzly]

Main Entry: fetus
Variant: or chiefly British foetus /'fEt-&s/
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural fetuses or chiefly British foetuses or foeti /'fEt-"I/
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth compare EMBRYO


Source: Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

 

[Ronin_]

it depends how much benefit you get in my mind. At the moment i have a "harem" i say harem as they are all cider drinking white trash whores on crack, but at 13 girls and one baby each i take in a HUGE amount of welfare each month from them. as they eat little and i get drugs fairly cheap given my build and status i make a killing..

 

[Liv2grw]

It is not defined that way by a reputable dictionary, you fuck! That was more fucking rhetoric that you posted. Great set of "facts" to argue there.

POOH BEAR dont get your panites all in a bunch and yes that is a fact, a legal fact that is how it is defined by the law! I guess you have trouble reading its ok there are programs for that. You can't argue that instead you have to call me a fuck , thats real mature little pooh bear. I never said it was a dictionary definition, I said that is how it is defined by law and more importantly the medical community. This is not rhetoric it is facts. I am not going to act like the interent tough guy but you should refrain from calling someone a fuck that you dont know and you dont know what the reprecusions of that could cause you.

 

[Liv2grw]

Main Entry: fetus
Variant: or chiefly British foetus /'fEt-&s/
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural fetuses or chiefly British foetuses or foeti /'fEt-"I/
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth compare EMBRYO


Source: Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Oh and by the way that is the old definition after the texan law makers changed it by law it is now what I stated previously.

 

[Liv2grw]

for those that feel fetus will not feel pain http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp

 

[Liv2grw]

No, it can't. IIRC, viability is about 28 weeks. Do you know what viability means?

As far as what I meant goes, it's the point of the difference between a baby and a fetus. Sure, maybe the fetus is "alive", but it doesn't have "a life". Guess what? I also think it's perfectly alright to pull the plug on a "vegetable" because they don't have "a life" either.

Wrong once again :
When does the unborn baby's heart begin to beat?

The heartbeat begins between the eighteenth and twenty-fifth day.

When does the brain begin to function?

Electrical brain waves have been recorded as early as forty days.

How early can a baby survive outside the mother's womb?

Currently, twenty weeks is considered the accepted minimum. However, this time will be reduced as medical technology continues to improve.

http://www.abortionfacts.com/abortion/q_facts.asp

 

[Liv2grw]

"Person" is defined in our dictionary in 14 different ways. Yellowstone Park is a person. So is General Motors. So are you. But the Supreme Court of the U.S. in 1857 ruled that black people were not persons, and in 1973 that unborn people were not persons. You answer this question by first inquiring what the questioner means by "a person."
In other words your dictionary definition means little.

 

[Liv2grw]

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_18.asp

Not for the faint at heart. Go to the bottom of the page if you think partial-birth abortion should be legal .

 

[Grizzly]

POOH BEAR dont get your panites all in a bunch and yes that is a fact, a legal fact that is how it is defined by the law! I guess you have trouble reading its ok there are programs for that. You can't argue that instead you have to call me a fuck , thats real mature little pooh bear. I never said it was a dictionary definition, I said that is how it is defined by law and more importantly the medical community. This is not rhetoric it is facts. I am not going to act like the interent tough guy but you should refrain from calling someone a fuck that you dont know and you dont know what the reprecusions of that could cause you.

LOL LOL LOL Ok, this HAS to be NeoDavid's alter ego. Let's see, you begin the entire argument by calling me pooh bear(implying that I'm some sort of puss) and then call ME on calling you a fuck? That's fucking priceless...you fuck!

It also might behoove you to learn how to communicate effectively. You know, some close approximation to the conventions of grammar. That might help you get your point across more clearly.

Your definition is WRONG, fucking period. Who the hell are these "texas law makers"? If a fetus was a legitimate baby, then abortion would be illegal. This is the aim of your "legal definition".

And, if you really want to test your "repercussions"...you fuck!

 

[Grizzly]

Mark Kerr, where the fuck are you? Care to elaborate on the "legal definition" of fetus. A voice of sanity is needed here.

 

[Mark Kerr]

for those that feel fetus will not feel pain http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp

Since when does feeling pain mean anything? Jelly-fish feel pain, should it be illegal to kill them? I dont even understand your argument...

Besides, abortions that early are painless. Therefore, the ability to feel pain is meaningless, as the procedure itself is painless...

 

[Mark Kerr]

Wrong once again :
When does the unborn baby's heart begin to beat?

The heartbeat begins between the eighteenth and twenty-fifth day.

When does the brain begin to function?

Electrical brain waves have been recorded as early as forty days.

How early can a baby survive outside the mother's womb?

Currently, twenty weeks is considered the accepted minimum. However, this time will be reduced as medical technology continues to improve.

http://www.abortionfacts.com/abortion/q_facts.asp

Electrical waves and heartbeats can be induced in cadavers. This does not scientifically, philosophically or legal make them "living" or "persons."

 

[Mark Kerr]

Oh and by the way that is the old definition after the texan law makers changed it by law it is now what I stated previously.

Well, yes and no, it depends upon the situation (usually the crime). For example, if you kill a pregnant woman, then you can be charged for the murder of 2 individuals. However, if a pregnant woman ingests poison during a suicide attempt or has a drug-overdose, and the child dies as a result, she CANNOT be charged with the murder of her child. So, a sweeping generalization about the Texas definition of unborn child can get some into trouble.

Also, even though Texas law may define unborn child in a certain way, that makes absolutely no difference to anyone outside of the state of Texas. It means nothing to federal law, and nothing to those in the other 49 states.

Using a Texas state legal definition is only binding in a Texas state court. Therefore, Grizzly, as a resident of Illiinois, can reject the Texas definition of unborn child as he sees fit.

 

[Mark Kerr]

"Person" is defined in our dictionary in 14 different ways. Yellowstone Park is a person. So is General Motors. So are you. But the Supreme Court of the U.S. in 1857 ruled that black people were not persons, and in 1973 that unborn people were not persons. You answer this question by first inquiring what the questioner means by "a person."
In other words your dictionary definition means little.

That is an incorrect, but often used, analysis of Roe v. Wade. The Roe v. Wade decision did not use unborn persons in their reasoning for the decision, they instead based their decision on Constiitutional rights of privacy, and "undue burdens" on a woman's right to her body.

It is a subtle point, but a very important one.