A sober look at HGH

[ostrichsak]

I was kidding, you were spot on with your last comment. The post you quoted wasn’t aimed at you specifically. I was in a separate debate on Reddit with someone claiming that tesamorelin is superior to HGH for visceral fat loss.
My main point was simply this: the idea that any analog can produce higher IGF-1 levels than HGH is flat out incorrect. The only way that appears true is if you compare a low dose of HGH to someone who naturally has a strong pituitary GH response. That isn’t an apples-to-apples comparison.

Assuming I take what you're saying correctly, we're on agreement on this subject entirely.

 

[kegg408]

Assuming I take what you're saying correctly, we're on agreement on this subject entirely.

I believe so, yes.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Atta guy thank you for taking the energy I didn’t have to teach this guy something

Don't worry. Neither of you said anything I haven't heard a thousand times.
The secretagogues have their place. They work better for women than HGH too.
Ipa and cjc(no DAC) are dirt cheap. Tesamorelin is roughly around the same price as HGH if you were buying 20mg tesa or 36iu hgh kits and running 2mg tesa or 6ish iu hgh
Tesamorelin at 2mg averages igf1 increases similar to around 2-4iu HGH. But we have seen people right here on this board that simply don't get much out of hgh. Not everyone responds to HGH unfortunately. I believe one person was running 12iu and had an igf1 of 150. That person would surely get more out of tesamorelin.
You also probably shouldn't run high HGH year round if the goal is igf1 increase as it eventually starts to drop off over time. It's best to cycle HGH for this reason. In your time off you can take a break or use secretagogues or a mix. I've never used tesa but I've got 20 kits of 36iu hgh in the fridge. Doesn't mean I can't see it's got value and isn't "gey."

 

[Billbo98]

Don't worry. Neither of you said anything I haven't heard a thousand times.
The secretagogues have their place. They work better for women than HGH too.
Ipa and cjc(no DAC) are dirt cheap. Tesamorelin is roughly around the same price as HGH if you were buying 20mg tesa or 36iu hgh kits and running 2mg tesa or 6ish iu hgh
Tesamorelin at 2mg averages igf1 increases similar to around 2-4iu HGH. But we have seen people right here on this board that simply don't get much out of hgh. Not everyone responds to HGH unfortunately. I believe one person was running 12iu and had an igf1 of 150. That person would surely get more out of tesamorelin.
You also probably shouldn't run high HGH year round if the goal is igf1 increase as it eventually starts to drop off over time. It's best to cycle HGH for this reason. In your time off you can take a break or use secretagogues or a mix. I've never used tesa but I've got 20 kits of 36iu hgh in the fridge. Doesn't mean I can't see it's got value and isn't "gey."

This wall of text was most certainly “gey”

Hgh igf1 doesnt drop off over time where tf did you pull that bs out from? I’ve been running over 500s for a year basically with 0 “drop” unless I alter dosage. Also they work better for women too?! Wtfff some Peter Atia spewing bs here

 

[bananafeet]

This wall of text was most certainly “gey”

Hgh igf1 doesnt drop off over time where tf did you pull that bs out from? I’ve been running over 500s for a year basically with 0 “drop” unless I alter dosage. Also they work better for women too?! Wtfff some Peter Atia spewing bs here

Possibly referring to Menopausal women on oral estrogens which suppress hepatic IGF1 output when on exogenous HGH.

Shitfluencers have ruined the fitness industry.

 

[Billbo98]

Possibly referring to Menopausal women on oral estrogens which suppress hepatic IGF1 output when on exogenous HGH.

Shitfluencers have ruined the fitness industry.

LOL 100% agree my man

 

[xrayphoton13]

This wall of text was most certainly “gey”

Hgh igf1 doesnt drop off over time where tf did you pull that bs out from? I’ve been running over 500s for a year basically with 0 “drop” unless I alter dosage. Also they work better for women too?! Wtfff some Peter Atia spewing bs here

Never read or watched anything by him.

This is info I've learned here from members like Type-IIx on this site.
Here was one example:
Post in thread 'Hgh length?' Hgh length?

Thread 'Women's Guide to Female GH Secretagogue Use vs. Recombinant Human GH' Women's Guide to Female GH Secretagogue Use vs. Recombinant Human GH

Or his book that I have a copy of:

Book Detail | Ampouletude

Explore expert HGH bodybuilding books and enhanced coaching resources by Type-IIx.

ampouletude.com

https://substack.com/@typeiix/note/p-172101966?r=3hfpad

I think Type-IIx has done more research on HGH than pretty much anyone so I do take his word above others on the subject

Ghoul gave a lot of info and research on Tesa

 

[BigDadd7]

I've enjoyed the information in this thread. Great information and citations from multiple perspectives.

My own personal experience-
4ish months of 4iu at 4:30am and fasted until 8:30am or so resulted in significant visceral fat loss. I'm not talking about a fat beer gut. I mean organ fat. I can pull a vacuum like I have never been able to pull.

I switched to pre-bed injections a week ago. I have been sleeping great and having vivid dreams every night. We'll see if this continues.

I don't share this as something that others will experience, just my own personal experience.

 

[kegg408]

Don't worry. Neither of you said anything I haven't heard a thousand times.
The secretagogues have their place. They work better for women than HGH too.
Ipa and cjc(no DAC) are dirt cheap. Tesamorelin is roughly around the same price as HGH if you were buying 20mg tesa or 36iu hgh kits and running 2mg tesa or 6ish iu hgh
Tesamorelin at 2mg averages igf1 increases similar to around 2-4iu HGH. But we have seen people right here on this board that simply don't get much out of hgh. Not everyone responds to HGH unfortunately. I believe one person was running 12iu and had an igf1 of 150. That person would surely get more out of tesamorelin.
You also probably shouldn't run high HGH year round if the goal is igf1 increase as it eventually starts to drop off over time. It's best to cycle HGH for this reason. In your time off you can take a break or use secretagogues or a mix. I've never used tesa but I've got 20 kits of 36iu hgh in the fridge. Doesn't mean I can't see it's got value and isn't "gey."

There is no accurate comparison to a mg dose of tesamorelin and iu of hgh. Tesamorelin works via the pituitary and everyone is going to get something different from it... Just as there are low responders to hgh...

I pent hours researching this. I suggest you do the same. You arent making sense.

There is absolutely no way to tell how someone will respond to tesamorelin, hgh is going to be more consistent across the board as there is no upper ceiling in dose as there is with the pituitary...

 

[kegg408]

I've enjoyed the information in this thread. Great information and citations from multiple perspectives.

My own personal experience-
4ish months of 4iu at 4:30am and fasted until 8:30am or so resulted in significant visceral fat loss. I'm not talking about a fat beer gut. I mean organ fat. I can pull a vacuum like I have never been able to pull.

I switched to pre-bed injections a week ago. I have been sleeping great and having vivid dreams every night. We'll see if this continues.

I don't share this as something that others will experience, just my own personal experience.

The sleep is nothing short of fucking amazing for me. Even at 2iu where I started. Woke up the next morning and was blown away.