A sober look at HGH

[nxckf]

Me reading this with a fridge full of 12000iu of GH. Punching the air.

 

[Endeavor Fitness]

The biggest benefit i see from GH strong anticatabolism, reduced fat mass, and significant muscle fullness / pumps even when on HRT levels of test. Plus I’m an old fart so having GH in at 4 - 6 iu per day makes a big difference for me. If I was in my 20’s I wouldn’t touch it.

There’s a strong synergy for anabolism running “high” (whatever that is for the individual) dosages of test and GH with ample food. The blood sugar issues can largely be mitigated by dosing a single bolus at bedtime and using a GLP-1 alongside it

Pretty much why I use it as an older dude. As far as the insulin sensitivity, Glp-1s, SGLT2 Inhibitors, metformin/berberine, etc... I'm GTG. I take Reta .5 - 4mg (depending) and Jardiance (either just before or after my shot.)


I'm not looking for size, that's the last thing I need is more muscle (And HGH wouldn't be my primary for that)_. I'm trying to downscale a little.

 

[ThinBulk]

The most important effect i can confirm is fat loss. At even 3iu it's extremely noticeable over just a week or two after starting. Bolus at least 1 hour post final meal. I start with 5.0 a1c, so if you start with some insulin resistance maybe it's different?

The usefulness seems obvious when I can cut without changing diet or reducing calories. (*I have never done a contest prep. Just observations rehabing injuries.)

 

[bananafeet]

The most important effect i can confirm is fat loss. At even 3iu it's extremely noticeable over just a week or two after starting. Bolus at least 1 hour post final meal. I start with 5.0 a1c, so if you start with some insulin resistance maybe it's different?

The usefulness seems obvious when I can cut without changing diet or reducing calories. (*I have never done a contest prep. Just observations rehabing injuries.)

I think HGH pushes the energy expenditure towards fat burning. It's both catabolic and anabolic at the same time (burning fat and helping to build protiens).

However if you don't manage this well you get atleast temporary insulin resistance or sustained higher blood sugar levels due to it stopping insulin from working.

These hormones have a push-pull relationship. HGH won't be produced if insulin or blood sugar is high.

Anyway you have to manage this yourself. Mess it up and yeah you give yourself diabetes.

Yes you're right someone like me has less of a run way than someone leaner. But not all diabetic people are fat.

Getting high blood sugar is not a side effect of HGH. It's the main effect. Increasing IGF1 is a downstream effect the requires the liver to make up it's mind of what it wants to do.

I mean for me it just gives me anxiety knowing my blood sugar is gonna run high for hours because of something I injected....

 

[ThinBulk]

I think HGH pushes the energy expenditure towards fat burning. It's both catabolic and anabolic at the same time (burning fat and helping to build protiens).

However if you don't manage this well you get atleast temporary insulin resistance or sustained higher blood sugar levels due to it stopping insulin from working.

These hormones have a push-pull relationship. HGH won't be produced if insulin or blood sugar is high.

Anyway you have to manage this yourself. Mess it up and yeah you give yourself diabetes.

Yes you're right someone like me has less of a run way than someone leaner. But not all diabetic people are fat.

Getting high blood sugar is not a side effect of HGH. It's the main effect. Increasing IGF1 is a downstream effect the requires the liver to make up it's mind of what it wants to do.

I mean for me it just gives me anxiety knowing my blood sugar is gonna run high for hours because of something I injected....

I was intentionally aiming to make my post fucused on my own outcome, but I do think going in with insulin resistance, or just being very susceptible could be your problem. Not all diabetic people are fat, but fatter people are more insulin resistant.

Some tweaking of timing could help. Im not sure how you time meals and GH. GH + insulin circulating at the same time causes insulin resistance. I try to keep insulin and GH separate. For example, my last meal is at 8pm. If my bolus is at 9pm, I give enough time for blood sugar to fall before GH rises. Theoretically my body never needs to produce more insulin while my GH is active. By the time I eat my fist meal at 7am, the GH has already cleared my system.

If you go in with some insulin resistance, your blood sugar and insulin levels will be higher for longer. Some changes would make this better. Leaving some carbs out of your last meal. Increasing time of bolus from last meal. Doing some walking or light cardio after your bolus to drop blood sugar before the GH starts to rise.