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strixsir
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The novice 500 mg test only cycle is stupid,
I know the novices want their shit simple as per the KISS thing, but atleast they should be aware about:
Do you know you reduce your PCT/recovery baseline time to around 6-7 weeks by switching to Test Prop and pinning it daily?
Different esters have different Testosterone base content
Prop- 84%
En -72%
cyp- 70%
so you get 20% more T exposure on Prop compared to En/Cyp ester, that is SIGNIFICANT over 12-20 weeks cycle.
weekly basis = 400 mg of Prop ~ 500 of En/Cyp
If you are somehow actually able to assess that you are not responding enough,
Dont Go to 500 is what i mean stick to 300-350 max, switch daily Test P.
Slow escalation.
I know the novices want their shit simple as per the KISS thing, but atleast they should be aware about:
Do you know you reduce your PCT/recovery baseline time to around 6-7 weeks by switching to Test Prop and pinning it daily?
Different esters have different Testosterone base content
Prop- 84%
En -72%
cyp- 70%
so you get 20% more T exposure on Prop compared to En/Cyp ester, that is SIGNIFICANT over 12-20 weeks cycle.
weekly basis = 400 mg of Prop ~ 500 of En/Cyp
If you are somehow actually able to assess that you are not responding enough,
Dont Go to 500 is what i mean stick to 300-350 max, switch daily Test P.
Slow escalation.
It depends on which effects you mean. Ten weeks isn't long enough to fully acclimate to the 250 mg/week dose yet.
It invites the question: why are you changing the dose -- what thing do you think 500 mg/wk gives you that 250 isn't? If that "thing" is something that requires more time than you've given it, you may want to pump the brakes.
It invites the question: why are you changing the dose -- what thing do you think 500 mg/wk gives you that 250 isn't? If that "thing" is something that requires more time than you've given it, you may want to pump the brakes.
500mg/wk always seemed unreachable for me
I couldn't get past 200mg without feeling like meat on a stick
Then i went to 50 - 100mg per week
Still made gains but weren't too crazy bout eating and training that much. Haven't touched test almost a year now. Doing gh and ss31
Most of the time i just help friends to buy ugl.
I couldn't get past 200mg without feeling like meat on a stick
Then i went to 50 - 100mg per week
Still made gains but weren't too crazy bout eating and training that much. Haven't touched test almost a year now. Doing gh and ss31
Most of the time i just help friends to buy ugl.
AlexDavis43
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strixsir
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Psy-chonaut
Member
How old are you mate ?
What do you think you gonna feel ?
( What have you been reading )
I may disappoint you - but I don't really feel that much, except when I go on the harsher/higher side, then I just feel terrible and toxic ....
- I slowly just get stronger, and my body changes over time.
strixsir
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View: https://youtu.be/a2gTvWsURZg?t=1132
hey, my bad for being as ass for no reason in the above comment,
so I dont have reports, because i never got my pharma HGH tested,
apart from pharma grade GH from my own country india (pic below), I have 10 iu and a 36 IU kit from a chinese vendor
i dont use HGH anymore, (think nobody should anymore that we have Reta) from what from jano said in the interview that they mostly have Pharma grade HGH in range of 96-99% AND it is permisible by law that they are allowed to have as low as 91% batch purity and upto 4% dimer.
in india, You get 1.2$ per IU for pharma vs 0.5 $ per IU chinese
i was talking to a vendor about their low purity batches and they said this and i only regurgitated
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Tou
You make solid points the biggest issue with this especially for a NOOB is the PIP from that much Prop a week and the overall volume a week. Most guys run long esters because less peaks and valleys and less overall volume. The difference between test e and c is so nill either will do just as well as the other. That said I am a fan of sustanon or doing something like 300-500 test E or C + 100mg Test P so it’s like sustanon without medium esters
You
You think no one should use GH because we have Reta??? Please do elaborate I’m curious here..
You think no one should use GH because we have Reta??? Please do elaborate I’m curious here..
strixsir
New Member
whatever HGH does , I dont know even what it does to a significant degree,
lipolysis ? increase in FFAs for 4-5 hours?
Systemic IGF1 increase? so what , does not do jackshit for local muscle igf1.
even its Sleep and better hair benefits are NOT replicated, yeah!!! the so called Sleep benefits are NOT a high probability output from GH use.
the only reason Pros take HGH is for Improved "fullness", yeah !!!!!! that is kind of it, the name the only thing selling HGH
if it was named as "Diabetic Stairmaster", it for sure would not sell as much.
i wont even want to get into how much stupid is that one has to take metformin to counter the HGH effects, it becomes a never ending BS of taking one thing after another.
Reta SIGNIFICANTLY alters insulin sensitivity AND increased metabolic rate of 5-10% as per phase 3 trails
Tirzp has a parasympathetic nervus system calming effect, it helps with sleep when in a deficit.
i keep on reading what is HGH used for and i dont get any decent answer,
now that we have Reta or even trizp that keep your insulin sensitivity (meaning nutritional partitioning) in a continuous deficit and remove the notion of Dieting as a difficult process whatsoever - > We DONT appreciate how big of a change this is.
i am NOT saying GLP1s are HGH replacement, I am saying ALL BS of "fat burners" should thrown out now that we have GLP1s that cause ALMOST nil side effects and are actually health promoting unlike whatever poison the BB community has to pin for a few extra drop in BF%.
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hellerhiwater
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i sincerely appreciate and respect your choice to post this and the regurgitation tidbit. we all do all of that sometimes, and imo what truly separates people is the ability to introspect and rectify.
sorry i know this is gay as hell but i just needed to tell you how cool that was and that at least one person noticed your choice.
welcome to meso, im glad you're here.
I get what you’re saying. Personally I agree with your mindset that all other fat loss drugs are tiers below GLP1 drugs especially when you consider the risk to reward ratio.
I will say the whole systemic IGF1 doesn’t correlate to local muscle IGF1 camp is kind of fugahzi as in when you have anabolics + HGH the synergy of both is undeniable. Studies can’t tell us everything and they aren’t perfect. I can say confidently that I’ve pulled multiple IGF1 labs on different doses of GH and can easily tell specific to ME higher systemic igf1 correlates to better lifts, better physique, better fullness and better strength, better fat loss, better muscle retention on very low calories like a psmf diet. 5iu nightly gave me pretty bad carpal and cubital tunnel and I dropped down the dose but the gains were undeniably there correlating with my igf1 labs. Even have ran Hgh + high HCG and 0 test and gains were still sweet. People don’t get issues with BG on GH if they can control what they shove in their pie hole, yes it does drive up BG some but not prediabetic ranges if you don’t eat like Augustus Gloop. Metformin is amazing and a wonder drug I would suggest everyone take it. It’s like taking a statin why WOULDN'T you take it if available to you? I pay next to nothing for 3 months of generic Metformin ER prescribed, same with my rosuvastatin. Speaking in definitives in this game doesnt work and never will. One man’s trash is another’s treasure. I HATE EQ I think it’s absolute blood cement curdle shat for the return it offers but some LOVE it and get great results. It’s all apart of what makes this all so interesting.
I would definitely say books like anabolics 10th edition sample cycles are still the standards one should operate by today, George Toullios or however you spell his Greek ass name helped write the book especially the cycles and what not and HE is incredible.
Anyways end rant.
drakegobrr
New Member
care to explain? first cycle coming soon, and I plan to blast and cruise for life.
been lifting natty for 8 years.
BabaJagga
Member
500mg will change your physique and for majority of people drive their e2 high and it will need managament. so there will be experience with e2, one can see/feel effects of high, maybe low, maybe variety of e2 levels, should gain experience with AI etc.
its easy, not much dmg done with basic structure, you can run it half a year without issues, you wont feel like shit, rather kind of normal but better.
with c/e ester, you will have easy time pinning 2x per week 1ml. suggesting prop for first blast is just stupid. same stability with longer ester which will also "tapper up"
for you.
happy, hungry, horny, big and strong. its still base for most blasts around here.
"what are you running?"
"500 test and something"
its very effective and for begginer its ideal learning opportunity.
shredded.lyfe
Member
You talk alot of shit for someone who knows absolutely nothing.
I wish your kind would fuck off.
