2200+ Gym Total. Road to 2300 @275 AMA

[Brandaddy]

I kinda see it like if you got the drive it carry you to where you wanna go. I mean I'm a firm believer in diet, work ethic, programming, etc. Gear in my opinion is the glass ceiling

I agree with what you said. What I was more getting at though was the difference in genetics. I.E. I remember my first training partner. Literally working out together for every workout I benched 2 plates and then 3 plates all before he got to 2 plates and we were the same size running the same program.

To put it simpy. The guys that you see that are strongest guys around, were most likely already at or at least capable of putting up 1,500lbs+ natural without even really knowing much of what they were doing. I'm talking about a shit diet, horrible program, just going into the gym moving weight and they're already the strongest guys around. If you aren't already that person naturally, gear isn't going to make that person. It will just make you a better version of who you are.

Not trying to shit on anyone's parade. I just notice from your posts that it seems you're developing an unhealthy view of AAS and it's not really a smart road to go down.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

So does any resenitization happen when you cycle? I've heard both ways. One, that your body resensitizes and two that you have to increase doses over time or you won't get any response. I mean I've heard of different people running 3-5g in a cycle! I've even heard more than that but not very often

I didn’t mean to imply we build a physical tolerance where it takes more and more. But mentally you are thinking you need 900 Test and 900 NPP now when your not at that level with your total. So when you get to a 1500+ total are you going to be running 900 Test and 900 NPP still? Or are you gonna think you need more and more by that point?

The best way to do this is to get the most out of the least amount of drugs. It’s entirely too easy to get trapped thinking more drugs achieves more success. The drugs are probably only 20% of the equation.

Your 900 mg/week of NPP/Deca could easily be only 400 mg/week right now and you’ll still make very good progress.

 

[TrouDuQ]

In my case, test e (12weeks) and any oral (dbol 30mg or drol 50mg) give me a great boost around (10kg in bench, 10-15kg squat and 10kg deadlift) and by going off I lose about 2 reps at my 90% of each which are going to be back 2 months later lol. I overstress myself trying to compare my shitty me to elite lifters as well! however, I have been around this sport seriously only 2 years ago.

my maxes are: 220kg 3x3 (rpe 10 nothing left) 160kg bench 3x3 ( around 2 reps at least in the tank) and 260kg deadlift for 5 reps ( i ve done 295kg last pr)

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I didn’t mean to imply we build a physical tolerance where it takes more and more. But mentally you are thinking you need 900 Test and 900 NPP now when your not at that level with your total. So when you get to a 1500+ total are you going to be running 900 Test and 900 NPP still? Or are you gonna think you need more and more by that point?

The best way to do this is to get the most out of the least amount of drugs. It’s entirely too easy to get trapped thinking more drugs achieves more success. The drugs are probably only 20% of the equation.

Your 900 mg/week of NPP/Deca could easily be only 400 mg/week right now and you’ll still make very good progress.

Well I got that total on 600-1000mg I only recently increased because I hit a plateau. I didn't wanna increase calories so I opted to change training up a bit and increase gear. Also I do get bloods drawn every few months so I know I'm good in that regard

 

[Feppen]

@Feppen
Im 33 240lbs 5'10". I'm currently running juggernaut. My lifts aren't that good. Only a 1175 total haha! I eat 4000 calories a day which is roughly 500c 133f 200p. I'm running 900test c and 900 npp it might be deca tho haha. So obviously for all I'm doing something isn't lining up!

Yikes. That’s all I really have to say bro. I’m just going to go ahead and assume your gear is under dosed and you aren’t absorbing most of it... if I were you I’d drop to TRT and work with a coach- hate to say it but that’s somewhat frightening. Sorry if what I’m saying comes across as mean, however you’re pretty much running more gear than I am at this moment

 

[Feppen]

In my case, test e (12weeks) and any oral (dbol 30mg or drol 50mg) give me a great boost around (10kg in bench, 10-15kg squat and 10kg deadlift) and by going off I lose about 2 reps at my 90% of each which are going to be back 2 months later lol. I overstress myself trying to compare my shitty me to elite lifters as well! however, I have been around this sport seriously only 2 years ago.

my maxes are: 220kg 3x3 (rpe 10 nothing left) 160kg bench 3x3 ( around 2 reps at least in the tank) and 260kg deadlift for 5 reps ( i ve done 295kg last pr)

Side note if you’re losing THAT much while off you’re doing something wrong... or you’re well past your natural limitations which I highly doubt. Something with your training/nutrition needs to be changed

 

[Perrin Aybara]

I believe most average sized or above adult men can get to 405/315/495 S/B/D natty with the right programming. I'd go back to a cruise dose and maybe hire a coach or at least confirm that your form is on point and follow a solid program. Make sure you're getting enough sleep too and calories are sufficient.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Yikes. That’s all I really have to say bro. I’m just going to go ahead and assume your gear is under dosed and you aren’t absorbing most of it... if I were you I’d drop to TRT and work with a coach- hate to say it but that’s somewhat frightening. Sorry if what I’m saying comes across as mean, however you’re pretty much running more gear than I am at this moment

So much for the help! Like damn dood I got frustrated plateauing so all I'm trying to do is troubleshoot and be better. I know people take a lot more than they admit most of the time! So I'm not worried about that. I've heard many experienced accounts of what people do. I homebrew and take bloods so I know that is all on point. I even changed my program to juggernaut and I'm going to test 1rms when I'm done. I haven't tested maxes in months

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

So much for the help! Like damn dood I got frustrated plateauing so all I'm trying to do is troubleshoot and be better. I know people take a lot more than they admit most of the time! So I'm not worried about that. I've heard many experienced accounts of what people do. I homebrew and take bloods so I know that is all on point. I even changed my program to juggernaut and I'm going to test 1rms when I'm done. I haven't tested maxes in months

I was saying the same thing though. I think most guys here would say the same.

There’s other ways to bust plateaus other than increasing the doses. Do a deload. Spend a couple weeks with slightly lighter weight and higher volume and deload. Eat more. Sleep more. Carb load.

My point before, if you need this amount of drugs for the current total you have, then you’re doing something wrong and that’s going to carry thru as you advance and progress.

Maybe you’re expecting progress too quick. There’s so many different things to this.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I was saying the same thing though. I think most guys here would say the same.

There’s other ways to bust plateaus other than increasing the doses. Do a deload. Spend a couple weeks with slightly lighter weight and higher volume and deload. Eat more. Sleep more. Carb load.

My point before, if you need this amount of drugs for the current total you have, then you’re doing something wrong and that’s going to carry thru as you advance and progress.

Maybe you’re expecting progress too quick. There’s so many different things to this.

Awesome.advicd.
The PL crew always beats me up for the same reason.

I'm half (Maybe more) retarded,so I do stupid ahit like 90% - 1RM low bar squats 2x a week for 3 weeks to try and up my squat.

Now it hurts to jerk off because my wrists are so fucked lol.

But on the topic of gear...

I make great gains on moderate cycles in less than 1g of gear.
Better gains than when I was a young buck pinning ALL of the gear I could get my dirty little paws on.

I'm still the weakest PL here, but I'm pretty happy considering my 8nuries and what I looked like 1.5 years ago lol

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Awesome.advicd.
The PL crew always beats me up for the same reason.

I'm half (Maybe more) retarded,so I do stupid ahit like 90% - 1RM low bar squats 2x a week for 3 weeks to try and up my squat.

Now it hurts to jerk off because my wrists are so fucked lol.

But on the topic of gear...

I make great gains on moderate cycles in less than 1g of gear.
Better gains than when I was a young buck pinning ALL of the gear I could get my dirty little paws on.

I'm still the weakest PL here, but I'm pretty happy considering my 8nuries and what I looked like 1.5 years ago lol

The weakest power lifter here is still stronger than 99% of the general population.

 

[Worf]

Awesome.advicd.
The PL crew always beats me up for the same reason.

I'm half (Maybe more) retarded,so I do stupid ahit like 90% - 1RM low bar squats 2x a week for 3 weeks to try and up my squat.

Now it hurts to jerk off because my wrists are so fucked lol.

But on the topic of gear...

I make great gains on moderate cycles in less than 1g of gear.
Better gains than when I was a young buck pinning ALL of the gear I could get my dirty little paws on.

I'm still the weakest PL here, but I'm pretty happy considering my 8nuries and what I looked like 1.5 years ago lol

You’re supposed to take singles above 93% 3x a week if you want real results.

 

[TrouDuQ]

Calories around 4200- 4800 kcal and i am a fat fuck lol at 245lbs

food: almost everyday 800 gr of pasta, 500-600 gr of grilled chicken breast, 4 tbsps of olive oil, 1L of milk, 2 to 3 scoops of whey, 200gr of french baguette, 3 tbsp of honey and for the 400-800 kcal I added whatever like fruits, chocolate, cheese....

 

[Worf]

Calories around 4200- 4800 kcal and i am a fat fuck lol at 245lbs

food: almost everyday 800 gr of pasta, 500-600 gr of grilled chicken breast, 4 tbsps of olive oil, 1L of milk, 2 to 3 scoops of whey, 200gr of french baguette, 3 tbsp of honey and for the 400-800 kcal I added whatever like fruits, chocolate, cheese....

How y’all are you?

 

[Blange89]

Awesome.advicd.
The PL crew always beats me up for the same reason.

I'm half (Maybe more) retarded,so I do stupid ahit like 90% - 1RM low bar squats 2x a week for 3 weeks to try and up my squat.

Now it hurts to jerk off because my wrists are so fucked lol.

But on the topic of gear...

I make great gains on moderate cycles in less than 1g of gear.
Better gains than when I was a young buck pinning ALL of the gear I could get my dirty little paws on.

I'm still the weakest PL here, but I'm pretty happy considering my 8nuries and what I looked like 1.5 years ago lol

Lol I'm guilty of the same thing trying to up my lifts

 

[Blange89]

@Feppen How would you go about running a 12 or 16 week Test/Mast cycle?

 

[Worf]

@Feppen How would you go about running a 12 or 16 week Test/Mast cycle?

I’m not Feppen but allow me to assist you.
step 1. Remove Mast
step 2. Add tren
step 3. Welcome to the glorious house of gains

 

[TrouDuQ]

I am 181 cm so that 5'11 I guess

 

[Feppen]

@Feppen How would you go about running a 12 or 16 week Test/Mast cycle?

What type of test, what kind of mast? There’s so many kinds you can’t really answer that question. However that’s a somewhat odd cycle. I could see it being somewhere between beginner/intermediate? I’m assuming you’re wanting mast for the hardening/leaner look? Which could possibly mean you don’t want it to be obvious you’re on gear- so I’d say lower doses of the two- stick to shorter esters. 300ish range on both should be plenty. If you give me more information I’d be glad to help!

 

[Feppen]

So much for the help! Like damn dood I got frustrated plateauing so all I'm trying to do is troubleshoot and be better. I know people take a lot more than they admit most of the time! So I'm not worried about that. I've heard many experienced accounts of what people do. I homebrew and take bloods so I know that is all on point. I even changed my program to juggernaut and I'm going to test 1rms when I'm done. I haven't tested maxes in months

Well, hopefully you’ll increase your numbers- the thing with most of these programs is they are meant for your average lifter/ you might honesty be sandbagging your total (you might have increased your total by 1-200lbs but are holding back because your program is % based on your old max.) you have to understand that while taking gear your numbers are constantly changing etc.