21M got put on TRT so decided to lab rat

[Zerx]

First and foremost here to learn to do this as “safe” as I can, not for you to tell me not to, been lifting for a couple years, turns out I got low T so will be running random gear to do so, always thought steroids were cool but never wanted to shut down my T which isn’t the case no more.

My first cycle will be logged somewhere here starting in the next 1-2 months, planning to run 10 weeks of [50mg DHB, 20mg Tren Ace, 350-500 Test cyp, 5iu HGH] been running 4iu for a few months to get ready, may run a oral such as TBol or Anadrol too but unlikely.

Will be eating in a massive surplus, lifting 5x a week and cardio daily, have a doctor on call, pre, post and mid cycle bloodwork, will get an extra one if I take an oral, not big by any means about 6’2, 205lbs, so we will see how this goes.

If anyone is curious about a certain compound let me know and I will see if I can fit it into my cycle, may experiment with ACE-031 but CN a bit rough right now, also got injectable Sdrol if anyone wants to see that added to the first 2 weeks of my stack.

 

[BigDadd7]

First and foremost here to learn to do this as “safe” as I can....

My first cycle will be logged somewhere here starting in the next 1-2 months, planning to run 10 weeks of [50mg DHB, 20mg Tren Ace, 350-500 Test cyp, 5iu HGH] been running 4iu for a few months to get ready, may run a oral such as TBol or Anadrol too but unlikely....

You're 21, just barely on trt, and this is your first "safe" cycle idea? And you don't want anyone to talk you out of it. Good luck kid.

 

[Zerx]

You're 21, just barely on trt, and this is your first "safe" cycle idea? And you don't want anyone to talk you out of it. Good luck kid.

Never said safe cycle, I said as safe as I can do what I am doing. I expect zero support, I will just be posting my experiences.

 

[BigDadd7]

We're definitely open to hearing your experience. And I do hope you run a safe cycle.

 

[Zerx]

We're definitely open to hearing your experience. And I do hope you run a safe cycle.

Appreciate it bro, I understand I am not doing something smart but I am thankful you aren’t hoping I die of a heart attack like a diff forum did.

 

[BigDadd7]

I'll bet a 250-350 test only cycle would blow your mind with the results.

 

[hexagonal]

I know you don't want us to talk you out of it, but there are a lot of risks from supraphysiological doses at any age (and heightened at your age) beyond just shutting down production. You're risking brain development issues. Which, well, might not seem like a big deal to you at 21 since you probably feel like your brain is working great, but I think basically 100% of people that are 25+ will agree they were fucking morons at 21, even if it isn't the same way they were fucking morons at 16.

I highly recommend *not* doing this for another 3-4 years.

If you are going to do it now, sticking to a test only cycle is the smart choice. Even ignoring the shit I was talking about above, if you want the best results out of going on cycle, you have to understand how your body reacts to specific compounds. If you feel like complete shit, you're going to perform worse in the gym. The more you fuck up your health in just the standard health impact from running gear, the less runway you have over your lifetime to use gear and the more likely you are to keel over and die at any point in time.

Don't do this, but if you are going to do it, just start with test. You're 21. You've got a long time ahead of you to pack on muscle. And since you're on TRT, you can get an understanding of how you respond to exogenous test - you can use that to figure out just how much test to run on your first cycle. Does it take 200mg to get you to the top of the reference range? 250-350 won't be too impressive. Does 100mg get you there? 300mg is going to get you some great results with proper training and diet.

 

[Elektrobot]

First and foremost here to learn to do this as “safe” as I can, not for you to tell me not to, been lifting for a couple years, turns out I got low T so will be running random gear to do so, always thought steroids were cool but never wanted to shut down my T which isn’t the case no more.

My first cycle will be logged somewhere here starting in the next 1-2 months, planning to run 10 weeks of [50mg DHB, 20mg Tren Ace, 350-500 Test cyp, 5iu HGH] been running 4iu for a few months to get ready, may run a oral such as TBol or Anadrol too but unlikely.

Will be eating in a massive surplus, lifting 5x a week and cardio daily, have a doctor on call, pre, post and mid cycle bloodwork, will get an extra one if I take an oral, not big by any means about 6’2, 205lbs, so we will see how this goes.

If anyone is curious about a certain compound let me know and I will see if I can fit it into my cycle, may experiment with ACE-031 but CN a bit rough right now, also got injectable Sdrol if anyone wants to see that added to the first 2 weeks of my stack.

If you aren't able to build muscle at 21 while using exogenous test..... then this hobby isn't for you.

What you outlined is the plan of a drug user, not an elite athlete with physical demands that warrant the use of PED's.

Will be eating in a massive surplus, lifting 5x a week and cardio daily

Why are you unable to do this without drugs?

Eating in a surplus, lifting 5x a week and daily cardio does not require drugs. You can go do that right now without anything but food and sleep.

 

[Zerx]

If you aren't able to build muscle at 21 while using exogenous test..... then this hobby isn't for you.

What you outlined is the plan of a drug user, not an elite athlete with physical demands that warrant the use of PED's.


Why are you unable to do this without drugs?

Eating in a surplus, lifting 5x a week and daily cardio does not require drugs. You can go do that right now without anything but food and sleep.

Lots of assumptions, 1. I have built muscle with exogenous T. 2. You have zero clue how long I have been on exogenous T. 3. You assume I don’t lift 5x a week or cardio daily I do, I just don’t eat in a massive surplus, I don’t wanna be obese.

 

[Zerx]

I know you don't want us to talk you out of it, but there are a lot of risks from supraphysiological doses at any age (and heightened at your age) beyond just shutting down production. You're risking brain development issues. Which, well, might not seem like a big deal to you at 21 since you probably feel like your brain is working great, but I think basically 100% of people that are 25+ will agree they were fucking morons at 21, even if it isn't the same way they were fucking morons at 16.

I highly recommend *not* doing this for another 3-4 years.

If you are going to do it now, sticking to a test only cycle is the smart choice. Even ignoring the shit I was talking about above, if you want the best results out of going on cycle, you have to understand how your body reacts to specific compounds. If you feel like complete shit, you're going to perform worse in the gym. The more you fuck up your health in just the standard health impact from running gear, the less runway you have over your lifetime to use gear and the more likely you are to keel over and die at any point in time.

Don't do this, but if you are going to do it, just start with test. You're 21. You've got a long time ahead of you to pack on muscle. And since you're on TRT, you can get an understanding of how you respond to exogenous test - you can use that to figure out just how much test to run on your first cycle. Does it take 200mg to get you to the top of the reference range? 250-350 won't be too impressive. Does 100mg get you there? 300mg is going to get you some great results with proper training and diet.

The only thing I am willing to drop is the Tren, the HGH and DHB are gonna be staying, test wise I will be starting around 350 a week to match my weekly DHB and will lower or raise depending where I am at, I am fully aware of the risks, I am smart enough to know I am an absolute idiot for doing this.

 

[Zerx]

I'll bet a 250-350 test only cycle would blow your mind with the results.

Most definitely I have seen big changes since I have been in TRT for about 5 months, 125mg per week gets me about 1100ngdl, I just really want to try different steroids, I am considering dropping the tren for now but not DHB.

 

[Elektrobot]

Lots of assumptions, 1. I have built muscle with exogenous T. 2. You have zero clue how long I have been on exogenous T. 3. You assume I don’t lift 5x a week or cardio daily I do, I just don’t eat in a massive surplus, I don’t wanna be obese.

.... Soooo..... if you are soo good at all those things........why aren't you building muscle at 21

See how it doesn't add up

You are 21

There is zero reason for you to take PED's

If you aren't getting good results right now..............its not because of a lack of drugs. It's because something is lacking in your routine.

Just fix whatever is lacking dude. Drugs aren't the answer for that.

 

[Elektrobot]

the HGH and DHB are gonna be staying

You are producing the most GH you ever will right now. Have you ever looked at an IGF age graph? Bodybuilders who are 21 don't use HGH for a reason.... HGH is an old mans drug. And what do you think DHB is going to do for you

 

[Banana Joe]

Like clockwork, a new clown files for intellectual bankruptcy on each new day in this forum.

First and foremost here to learn to do this as “safe” as I can, not for you to tell me not to, been lifting for a couple years...

You still have to expect to be called a retard fror this.

Will be eating in a massive surplus, lifting 5x a week and cardio daily,

Ok, so you are going to do (note that you wrote "will" not "am doing"!) what I, among many others on this board, did almost from the day I had joined the gym, and then trained without any drugs - for at least a few years?
Really impressive, and totally worth mentioning it. That pretty much tells me already all I need to know, about your mindset.

My first cycle will be logged somewhere here starting in the next 1-2 months, planning to run 10 weeks of [50mg DHB, 20mg Tren Ace, 350-500 Test cyp, 5iu HGH] been running 4iu for a few months to get ready, may run a oral such as TBol or Anadrol too but unlikely.
...also got injectable Sdrol if anyone wants to see that added to the first 2 weeks of my stack.

Congratulations, I was already thinking you are a real idiot for the stack in the first paragraph, but then you went full retard at the end.
That is a lot more than what I ran in my first stacked cycle after doing for SIX years, what you are apparently have not even started doing yet (aka really living the lifestyle).

 

[manbat]

Like clockwork, a new clown files for intellectual bankruptcy on each new day in this forum.

Goddamn.

 

[Zerx]

.... Soooo..... if you are soo good at all those things........why aren't you building muscle at 21

See how it doesn't add up

You are 21

There is zero reason for you to take PED's

If you aren't getting good results right now..............its not because of a lack of drugs. It's because something is lacking in your routine.

Just fix whatever is lacking dude. Drugs aren't the answer for that.

I never said I wasn’t building muscle.

 

[Zerx]

Like clockwork, a new clown files for intellectual bankruptcy on each new day in this forum.


You still have to expect to be called a retard fror this.


Ok, so you are going to do (note that you wrote "will" not "am doing"!) what I, among many others on this board, did almost from the day I had joined the gym, and then trained without any drugs - for at least a few years?
Really impressive, and totally worth mentioning it. That pretty much tells me already all I need to know, about your mindset.


Congratulations, I was already thinking you are a real idiot for the stack in the first paragraph, but then you went full retard at the end.
That is a lot more than what I ran in my first stacked cycle after doing for SIX years, what you are apparently have not even started doing yet (aka really living the lifestyle).

I also said been lifting for a couple years, the only thing I don’t currently do is a massive surplus, that will make me obese, I have said I don’t expect kindness in a different reply, and at the end of the day, we are all drug users, this whole “my way or the wrong way” thing you guys have is insane, an alcoholic doesn’t tell another to start off in beer before going up to vodka.

 

[Banana Joe]

I also said been lifting for a couple years, the only thing I don’t currently do is a massive surplus, that will make me obese

I can't count how many people have told me that they lift, when what they were actually doing was also visiting a gym.

I have said I don’t expect kindness in a different reply, and at the end of the day, we are all drug users, this whole “my way or the wrong way” thing you guys have is insane

Ocram's razor also applies here.
If guys, with many years if not decades of experience in this game, tell you their "their" way is the right way - then how likely is it that you, who has NO experience, whose brain is not even fully developed, and who is obviously not even smart when accounting for his age, has found a better way?
Also, you are not a drug user, you are a *wannabe* drug user.

an alcoholic doesn’t tell another to start off in beer before going up to vodka.

Brilliant analogy, but I did not expect anything else from a knucklehead like you.
Try drinking as much beer as physically able to. And then report back here. Now do the same with vodka. Chances are, you will not be able to report back the second time.

I never said I wasn’t building muscle.

I also never said that I don't have a open IFBB pro level physique, so let's all assume have one.

If anyone is curious about a certain compound let me know and I will see if I can fit it into my cycle, may experiment with ACE-031...

I had totally forgot to comment on that part.
So not only do you want to run an absolutely retarded stack as your first ever cycle, you are also open to add even more "if anyone is curious about a certain compound"?
I even had to google ACE-031, as I had literally never even heard about it...

 

[Zerx]

I can't count how many people have told me that they lift, when what they were actually doing was also visiting a gym.


Ocram's razor also applies here.
If guys, with many years if not decades of experience in this game, tell you their "their" way is the right way - then how likely is it that you, who has NO experience, whose brain is not even fully developed, and who is obviously not even smart when accounting for his age, has found a better way?
Also, you are not a drug user, you are a *wannabe* drug user.


Brilliant analogy, but I did not expect anything else from a knucklehead like you.
Try drinking as much beer as physically able to. And then report back here. Now do the same with vodka. Chances are, you will not be able to report back the second time.


I had totally forgot to comment on that part.
So not only do you want to run an absolutely retarded stack as your first ever cycle, you are also open to add even more "if anyone is curious about a certain compound"?
I even had to google ACE-031, as I had literally never even heard about it...

Ya, I want to lab rat, I have very little care for risks hence why I am willing to experiment with random shit, also I most definitely wasn’t “just visiting the gym” in the 2 years I was there I have hit a 485 squat, 335 bench, and 495 deadlift, not sure why you guys are so angry with what I do to my body but as for my stack being retarded I do not think 50 dhb 20 tren ace and 50-70 test cyp daily is insane for 10 weeks. I am open to tweaks, such as dropping tren or adding something else over it but this isn’t a high risk stack especially with doctor supervision.

 

[Banana Joe]

You list SIX different steroids in your opening posts with HGH on top of all that. Not to mention some kind of novel and untested drug, as well as the remark to be open to adding even more shit to that idiot stack.
This is retarded, and there is no way to weasel yourself out of it being retarded.

not sure why you guys are so angry with what I do to my body

Nobody is angry, but you came to this place, not the other way around, to tell us about your genius idea.
You got to ask yourself why did you choose to do so, because if you don't want any other input, than suggestions what other drug to stack to this already nonsensical stack, I really don't what you are trying to accomplish with this.

but as for my stack being retarded I do not think 50 dhb 20 tren ace and 50-70 test cyp daily is insane for 10 weeks.

So these are actually daily dosages? God, you are even dumber than I thought you are.
That is easily double the overall strength of my first stack (as in taking anything else other than test).

I have hit a 485 squat, 335 bench, and 495 deadlift

Ok, assuming we are talking about full ROM, those are pretty good, if not great numbers, assuming you have low test, or TRT levels of test. I will give you that.
Still, it doesn't change the fact that your planned cycle, as well as mindset going into this, is simply retarded.