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hijoshiki said:
I've never cared for Trump.

Don't like AOC either as everything is about race to her, which isn't the issue at all.

It's not about socialism, no one should be paid anything for sitting on their ass and doing nothing, a large reason the rich should be done away with, not through violence, but a complete confiscation of their wealth, kicking them to the curb an removing all of their power.

We live on a rock, no one should elevate themselves and enslave others.

I have no use for hierarchy. Wherever the parasite accumulates vast wealth he must be set in his/her place, wealth taken and put back with the common man that has a goal of making sure our nation works to lift all people up, but not to the point that anyone has power over the others.

Socialism won't work, because the intelligentsia will enrich themselves and will hold power.

The right favor free markets and systems of exploitation.

The left favor bureaucracy, lawyers, professors....in other words the elites or supreme class.

The next generation has to be brought up to hate both of these systems and the people that favor them. There has to be a constant fight to make sure they never come to power that the resources of this country are spread out, that they never funnel into the right or left hands, that those who champion such systems be put in their place.

50% of Americans live at poverty level.
80% of working class live paycheck to paycheck.
50% wouldn't be able to pay an unexpected $500 medical bill.
Housing, healthcare, education have gone through the roof.
Last month credit card debt rose by $50 billion in order to pay bills.

The verdict: Capitalism doesn't work for the masses.

Solution: lazy Americans will have to look for another system, stop being complacent, stop respecting those that hold the power and money.

It would probably take about 30 million people to converge on Wash D.C. and demand the current occupants to hit the road.
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Except we're not exactly true free market capitalist or socialist hij.

Our current regime is a bit of both, leaning towards one,then the other whenever leaning either way helps the rich billionaire donors or our political ogliarchy
 
hijoshiki said:
I've never cared for Trump.

Don't like AOC either as everything is about race to her, which isn't the issue at all.

It's not about socialism, no one should be paid anything for sitting on their ass and doing nothing, a large reason the rich should be done away with, not through violence, but a complete confiscation of their wealth, kicking them to the curb an removing all of their power.

We live on a rock, no one should elevate themselves and enslave others.

I have no use for hierarchy. Wherever the parasite accumulates vast wealth he must be set in his/her place, wealth taken and put back with the common man that has a goal of making sure our nation works to lift all people up, but not to the point that anyone has power over the others.

Socialism won't work, because the intelligentsia will enrich themselves and will hold power.

The right favor free markets and systems of exploitation.

The left favor bureaucracy, lawyers, professors....in other words the elites or supreme class.

The next generation has to be brought up to hate both of these systems and the people that favor them. There has to be a constant fight to make sure they never come to power that the resources of this country are spread out, that they never funnel into the right or left hands, that those who champion such systems be put in their place.

50% of Americans live at poverty level.
80% of working class live paycheck to paycheck.
50% wouldn't be able to pay an unexpected $500 medical bill.
Housing, healthcare, education have gone through the roof.
Last month credit card debt rose by $50 billion in order to pay bills.

The verdict: Capitalism doesn't work for the masses.

Solution: lazy Americans will have to look for another system, stop being complacent, stop respecting those that hold the power and money.

It would probably take about 30 million people to converge on Wash D.C. and demand the current occupants to hit the road.
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I think I have a new opinion of you. You may have to change your opinion of the down and out though. I believe we are going to see hard times like this country has not seen in decades. Not everyone is a deadbeat.
 
MFAAS said:
Lmao what?

Dude please, please stop putting words in my mouth. I can't stand Biden. I don't think he is honest. He is garbage just like the rest of our local and national politicians. , including trump. So please, stop putting words in my mouth when I am adding valuable insight to the discussion. You just bashed Big Paul for not responding to your points exactly as you wrote them, and yet here you respond to me with nothing but insults, trying to best your way around the bush so you don't have to confront the truth that mail in voting actually is not a bad thing.

Regardless, my post LITERALLY just said both sides are only in it forb themselves and they dont give a fuck about us. Then you respond, acting like I love Biden so much and I support him and everything he does/says. That simply is a complete lie and I have never, ever said I thought Biden is honest. I don't like the Democrats or the Republicans. I have sais this several timez before on thos forum: I am unrepresented by our representstives. As I said before. The corporations and the oligarchs choose who we get to choose from. This is why I have you set to ignored, is because all you do is talk shit and try your best to live in your own little confirmation bias world.

The world and governments are both more complicated and more simple than you seen to want to believe. Money runs the show plain and simple, or at least those who have lots of money. Trump went and put a bunch if billionaires in charge of everything. Betsy DeVos for secretary of education? Linda McMahon for small business administrator? VIncent Viola for army administrator? Steve Mnuchin as treasury secratary? Wilbur Ross as secretary of commerce? Absolutely unprecedented. He gave his daughter and son in law both positions of power in the white house? Oh and remember how everyone criticized Hillary for using her own email server, Ivanka used personal email for official white house business on hundreds of occasions.

Biden and Kamala are both quite rich too, at 10 and 7 million dollars net worth, respectively. Still high enough to be totally out of touch with what it's like to live a relatively normal life. However, the lowest net worth on that list of Trump nominees was Mnuchin at over 500 million dollars.

These people don't care about regular Americans. Same with Biden. They just want more money and more power and more material goods. More houses and cars and private jets.

So, I ask you this: you think that these insanely, unfathomably rich people were going to take on the very establishment that made them so filthy fucking rich. Why would you ever believe that?

To throw your quote back atcha: "Only an idiot that thinks Trump is somehow for the common man could think that!"

All I can say is that Trump didn't fucking change anything. He didn't raise taxes for rich people to help close the gap on social security, which most normal Americans will rely upon when they retire. He didn't hold corporations accountable for their destruction of the environment that causes pollution and or their manufacturing and use of chemicals that causes stillborn babies and heart defects, many in our Military members families. The COVID relief bills were just omnibus packages that 80% which benefitted the ultra rich.
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Man, cut the bullshit already.

Yes, no reasonable person can claim either political party is not corrupt.

But you and @Big_paul take the prize for your stupid bullshit about "orange man bad" gop=KKK garbage.

Look,
Silicon valley, Wall Street, Park avenue, Washington DC, fifth avenue, Hollywood and every other insanely rich city in America is controlled by the democrat party.

Academia, Media, big tech, communication companies and postal service, FBI, DOJ, CIA, ATF, you name it.. is all controlled by the democrat party.

You two ignorant jack asses on here howling about the evils of priveledged and establishment people, support the very people you rail against.

That's called being full of shit, plain ass ignorant, or both. And the two of y'all win the prize on that.

Hij says some crazy shit for sure. But he's not a goddamn ignorant hypocrite.
 
Hughinn said:
He is conflicted Paul.

Sort of a bizzare revisionary anarchist type mind with Marxist-Leninist type anti classist ideology thrown in there. Mix it up with some anti sematic (probably part of his anti-class beliefs) and there he is. A walking contradiction that only makes sense to himself.

But you're a contradiction yourself Paul. You run around here with that orange man bad BS all the time and talk about 'dangers to democracy' and the like, and you feverishly support the very people bringing those things about because of your pure hatred of your orange Boogeyman. All the while espousing tolerance and acceptance.

You don't make any more sense than he does.
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I'm through. This is a broken record. I wish you well my friend.
 
Hughinn said:
"Nationalization of resources" is an old idea bud.

Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Hitler and Karl Marx pretty much all said the same thing you just did.

We all seen how that turns out
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No because they fed their people into meat grinders, they had no use for the common people, they were in fact even more sinister than the rich slave owners.

Take Hitler for instance. I don't for a second believe he actually cared for the German Volk, I think he in fact was a man put in power ultimately to bring Germany to total destruction as he went looking for war instead of having it find him, he looked for a means of killing millions of his own people.

Marx....ideas might have pointed out the flaws of the capitalist system, but didn't bother pointing out the horrors of the communist system.

Once again my war isn't with the American people, they are the people that I'm concerned with, it's the global elites, the rich and powerful minority that is where my concerns point. The pitting of one man against another so as to distract them from their real purpose in life, which is to build a nation free from all forms of exploitation.

I'm not an either/or kind of guy. Communism, or Capitalism, or Socialism.

I'm for whatever is in the best interests of the common people and for removing all forms of power and influence from the elites.

The rich don't have the right to rule us anymore than the Communist or Capitalist. We have the right to rule ourselves, we have the right to question anyone that would limit our freedoms, but most importantly set up a system where everyone is viewed as valuable and those lacking in skills are built up so they can contribute meaningfully to the nation and not where they are bounced around chaotically until they find themselves in the gutter...where millions of our fellow Americans currently live.
 
hijoshiki said:
No because they fed their people into meat grinders, they had no use for the common people, they were in fact even more sinister than the rich slave owners.

Take Hitler for instance. I don't for a second believe he actually cared for the German Volk, I think he in fact was a man put in power ultimately to bring Germany to total destruction as he went looking for war instead of having it find him, he looked for a means of killing millions of his own people.

Marx....ideas might have pointed out the flaws of the capitalist system, but didn't bother pointing out the horrors of the communist system.

Once again my war isn't with the American people, they are the people that I'm concerned with, it's the global elites, the rich and powerful minority that is where my concerns point. The pitting of one man against another so as to distract them from their real purpose in life, which is to build a nation free from all forms of exploitation.

I'm not an either/or kind of guy. Communism, or Capitalism, or Socialism.

I'm for whatever is in the best interests of the common people and for removing all forms of power and influence from the elites.

The rich don't have the right to rule us anymore than the Communist or Capitalist. We have the right to rule ourselves, we have the right to question anyone that would limit our freedoms, but most importantly set up a system where everyone is viewed as valuable and those lacking in skills are built up so they can contribute meaningfully to the nation and not where they are bounced around chaotically until they find themselves in the gutter...where millions of our fellow Americans currently live.
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There's no such thing as given rights hij.

I know you mean well, but you gotta get that shit outta your head.

"The people" have never been given respect by the ogliarchs at any point in human history until they figured out that they had to take it. Same goes with Rights.

Rights are no more than concessions the powerful elites give to the working class to Garner thier cooperation. Rights ain't given either and have to be taken.

As long as you got people like big Paul and that other idiot willing to fight you on behalf of the masters you're not going to beat them. Or get the respect and rights you want from them.
 
Hughinn said:
There's no such thing as given rights hij.

I know you mean well, but you gotta get that shit outta your head.

"The people" have never been given respect by the ogliarchs at any point in human history until they figured out that they had to take it. Same goes with Rights.

Rights are no more than concessions the powerful elites give to the working class to Garner thier cooperation. Rights ain't given either and have to be taken.

As long as you got people like big Paul and that other idiot willing to fight you on behalf of the masters you're not going to beat them. Or get the respect and rights you want from them.
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Yes the Oligarchs have never given a shit about the average man, the world over, wherever he is able to gobble up resources he could care less about anyone else beyond what he can get them to do to make him even richer.

That is the nature of the Oligarchs, but the true nature of those ruled by the few is that they don't organically respect those on top. They had to be taught to respect them, they had to be brainwashed to allow the Oligarch to exist not only unfettered, but to actually champion and look up to super rich as something awe inspiring.

That takes some serious propaganda and brainwashing to get the average man to thank the Oligarch that fucks them in the ass. That's the problem with America, why do so many Americans and people all over the world fall for this? How do you wake up their collective consciousness?
 
hijoshiki said:
Yes the Oligarchs have never given a shit about the average man, the world over, wherever he is able to gobble up resources he could care less about anyone else beyond what he can get them to do to make him even richer.

That is the nature of the Oligarchs, but the true nature of those ruled by the few is that they don't organically respect those on top. They had to be taught to respect them, they had to be brainwashed to allow the Oligarch to exist not only unfettered, but to actually champion and look up to super rich as something awe inspiring.

That takes some serious propaganda and brainwashing to get the average man to thank the Oligarch that fucks them in the ass. That's the problem with America, why do so many Americans and people all over the world fall for this? How do you wake up their collective consciousness?
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That question would be better suited to be answered by @Big_paul or @MFAAS

You only have to look at this board for your answer hij. These such people would literally fight you to death to protect the very system and people who surpress them. And they believe there doing it for their own "freedom" they'll fight to keep themselves captive.

I know that seems crazy to other people. But the indoctrination is powerful. It's not much different than a kidnapper brainwashing thier captive to the point that they no longer have to lock them up and they have to be forcefully removed to experience clarity.

These people are so indoctrinated into this system that they cannot imagine themselves outside of it, and will fight to stay inside.

It's literally the walking dead or the matrix in reality.
 
Hughinn said:
That question would be better suited to be answered by @Big_paul or @MFAAS

You only have to look at this board for your answer hij. These such people would literally fight you to death to protect the very system and people who surpress them. And they believe there doing it for their own "freedom" they'll fight to keep themselves captive.

I know that seems crazy to other people. But the indoctrination is powerful. It's not much different than a kidnapper brainwashing thier captive to the point that they no longer have to lock them up and they have to be forcefully removed to experience clarity.

These people are so indoctrinated into this system that they cannot imagine themselves outside of it, and will fight to stay inside.

It's literally the walking dead or the matrix in reality.
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I think MFAAS and Big Paul both know the system as it exists and has existed isn't in the best interest of the average man.

I think Big Paul has a view that democracy will improve things. My problem with this is that the propaganda used on a people has been so strong and thorough that no matter what these people do it won't be in their own best interests, but in the serving of their masters that sit at the top.

It's odd that masses of people could be herded and controlled by a group of elites that sit at the top and these people on the bottom blindly follow orders or at the very least think it is there lot in life to endure.
 
hijoshiki said:
I think MFAAS and Big Paul both know the system as it exists and has existed isn't in the best interest of the average man.

I think Big Paul has a view that democracy will improve things. My problem with this is that the propaganda used on a people has been so strong and thorough that no matter what these people do it won't be in their own best interests, but in the serving of their masters that sit at the top.

It's odd that masses of people could be herded and controlled by a group of elites that sit at the top and these people on the bottom blindly follow orders or at the very least think it is there lot in life to endure.
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Yeah but Paul thinks Donald Trump is some kind of Boogeyman hiding in the closet and waiting to pounce. And that Putin is some kind of megalomaniac super villian cartoon character bent on world domination.

They seems silly AF to anyone else, but if take the time to listen to CNN MSNBC and such, that's exactly what they're portraying as reality. And if that garbage was all you ever heard, how would you know any better?

He's so far gone, that he knows they've lied to him over and over the past few years especially. But he just can't imagine not believing what they say. His entire world is built on the belief that they wouldn't lie to him, or use him. But, that's exactly what they're doing.

Now, that's a hard assed fukin pill to swallow. One only a determined and curious person would ever even be willing to consider it to begin with, and some would even cringe at the thought. And why not? The red pill sucks. It won't let you go back, you can't unsee what you gazed upon.

So people like Paul, he just refuses to look.

And that's not to single the man out. I believe him to be a good man, with a good heart and good intentions.

But that's exactly the type of person the bastards use for their own purposes.

Those people mean well in their own minds. But so did the mobs of in Salem that burned innocent women on stakes, or stoned beggars to death because of a plague they couldn't understand.

I don't mean them harm. But I will not stand with them
 
To me Donald Trump took some of Pat Buchanan's talking points and ran with it.

It's something that was also touched on by Ross Perot.

Donald brought up the working class and their concerns, the problem is we as a society don't seem to know which way to go. Do we go the route where we de-skill and work dead end service jobs, or do we tool up again and start doing productive work. And then you have the tech sectors, some of it good, social media obviously bad unless it's a free speech off the grid website.

No one knows what to do because we've been de-skilling for so long now that bringing back made in America has the traditional crowd cheering, however kids that never had a chance to do anything with their hands are horrified at the thought of working as they went to school so they could avoid that.

What does a kid do when he went to school, went deep in debt and realizes in horror that someone else working a job with some training is making twice his income, it dents the self esteem and causes you to race to the left to demand they shut down the energy production so plants can't be built and those without degrees are stuck with few options, that makes the credentialed feel secure in their future knowing others are hopeless and suffering, it keeps those on the bottom at the bottom where they belong, keeps these two classes from having to ever come in contact with each other.
 
hijoshiki said:
To me Donald Trump took some of Pat Buchanan's talking points and ran with it.

It's something that was also touched on by Ross Perot.

Donald brought up the working class and their concerns, the problem is we as a society don't seem to know which way to go. Do we go the route where we de-skill and work dead end service jobs, or do we tool up again and start doing productive work. And then you have the tech sectors, some of it good, social media obviously bad unless it's a free speech off the grid website.

No one knows what to do because we've been de-skilling for so long now that bringing back made in America has the traditional crowd cheering, however kids that never had a chance to do anything with their hands are horrified at the thought of working as they went to school so they could avoid that.

What does a kid do when he went to school, went deep in debt and realizes in horror that someone else working a job with some training is making twice his income, it dents the self esteem and causes you to race to the left to demand they shut down the energy production so plants can't be built and those without degrees are stuck with few options, that makes the credentialed feel secure in their future knowing others are hopeless and suffering, it keeps those on the bottom at the bottom where they belong, keeps these two classes from having to ever come in contact with each other.
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Unfortunately people like @Big_paul @MFAAS and that other idiot would rather suck the big blue donkey cock than stand up for the very things the dumbasses pretend they believe in
 
hijoshiki said:
It's odd that masses of people could be herded and controlled by a group of elites that sit at the top and these people on the bottom blindly follow orders or at the very least think it is there lot in life to endure.
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Often people do not need freedom and freedom of choice in reality. It is easier and more peaceful for them to live when they decide for them, even sometimes they have to realize that it is getting worse, but not so much as to have the courage and make a choice for themselves. Psychological safety is always closer to them than trying to live by their own mind and actions.
 
JesterBOB said:
Often people do not need freedom and freedom of choice in reality. It is easier and more peaceful for them to live when they decide for them, even sometimes they have to realize that it is getting worse, but not so much as to have the courage and make a choice for themselves. Psychological safety is always closer to them than trying to live by their own mind and actions.
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The upper rung of society requires conformity, rigorous levels of socialization that have to be passed through like a series of gates in order to establish their right to a larger more generous portion of resources. It appears to be very much like a caste system and not something organic like you would find in nature. Nothing these people do entitles them to their over compensation, only their over the top smugness as they sip champagne and look upon the rest of society with utter disgust like shit stuck to the bottom of their shoes.

The problem is the lower rung of society benefit very little from the current arrangement. They instead seem hypnotized and enslaved by institutions and edicts, things written and passed down as if they were fundamental laws authored by a supreme being, too complicated to be questioned. These people never take hold and inspect the paper tiger, deconstruct the con that taught them be powerless. The upper rung of society will pat you on the back when you do as you are told, spank your fanny when you dare to question. The police state is there at all times to make sure this established order is protected at all costs even though it has obviously provided little in the form of answers and solutions to the rate of ever increasing despair. Even if the poor do question, the system in place now is little more than cops to discipline the unruly.
 
hijoshiki said:
The upper rung of society requires conformity, rigorous levels of socialization that have to be passed through like a series of gates in order to establish their right to a larger more generous portion of resources. It appears to be very much like a caste system and not something organic like you would find in nature. Nothing these people do entitles them to their over compensation, only their over the top smugness as they sip champagne and look upon the rest of society with utter disgust like shit stuck to the bottom of their shoes.

The problem is the lower rung of society benefit very little from the current arrangement. They instead seem hypnotized and enslaved by institutions and edicts, things written and passed down as if they were fundamental laws authored by a supreme being, too complicated to be questioned. These people never take hold and inspect the paper tiger, deconstruct the con that taught them be powerless. The upper rung of society will pat you on the back when you do as you are told, spank your fanny when you dare to question. The police state is there at all times to make sure this established order is protected at all costs even though it has obviously provided little in the form of answers and solutions to the rate of ever increasing despair. Even if the poor do question, the system in place now is little more than cops to discipline the unruly.
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So there is caste, the top with money and power will remain at the helm of world domination, and the lower layer will continue to suffer and it is almost impossible to break this vicious circle. And so generation after generation. Until the excessive popular impatience is immature, and then another explosion, revolution, coup awaits, until the next peak. Everything in history is cyclical.
 
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