1 small town's battle for tolerance

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By HELEN O'NEILL, AP Special Correspondent Helen O'neill, Ap Special Correspondent – Mon Dec 13, 3:11 am ET

SIDNEY CENTER, N.Y. – The cemetery lies beneath a grove of maples on a hill overlooking the farm. On a crisp November day in 2009, it received its first guest — a 28-year old stonemason killed in a car accident two days earlier.

Somberly, his Sufi Muslim brethren carried his coffin up the hill, their colorful turbans and baggy tunics a striking contrast to the rolling hills all around. Beneath a vibrant green headstone — the color of the Osmanli Naksibendi Hakkani order, which runs a 50-acre farm and mosque here — the shrouded body of Amir Celoski was lowered into the ground. Mourners bowed their heads and prayed: May he rest in peace.

But that was not to be.

Instead of peace, Celoski's burial ignited a war — one that would erupt nine months later, hurling Sidney into the national spotlight, bitterly dividing some residents while transforming others who say their lives and their town will never be the same.

It all began quietly enough at a sparsely attended meeting of the Board of Supervisors last summer, after a second burial in the cemetery. At the height of a national debate about a mosque near ground zero, town leaders voted unanimously to investigate the Sufi graves on Wheat Hill Road.

The Sufis had followed proper procedures and received burial permits. But that didn't deter town Supervisor Robert McCarthy from calling the graves illegal and suggesting the bodies might have to be disinterred.

"You can't just bury Grandma in the backyard under the picnic table," he said.

With that, McCarthy, a 70-year-old retired businessman, became a poster child for Muslim-bashing everywhere. MSNBC host Keith Olbermann denounced him as "worst person in the world." Satirist Stephen Colbert direly warned viewers about Muslim vampire "sleeper-in-coffin-cells" infiltrating the Catskills.

Locals watched in horror as Sidney was branded as Islamophobic, backward and ignorant.

"It was sickening," says attorney Tom Schimmerling, 58, the son of Holocaust survivors, who immediately offered to represent the Sufis free of charge. "McCarthy was acting like this was Selma, Ala., in the '60s and he was Bull Connor."

"At first I felt so ashamed of my town," said Richard Cooley, 48, whose Main Street jewelry store has been in the family for 125 years. "And then I saw how the community reacted and I thought how amazing the way we pulled together to do away with something so wrong and make it right."

For in the days and weeks that followed, a spirited, almost intoxicating sense of mission seemed to surge through Sidney, 150 miles north of New York City. Though the town Board of Supervisors hastily dropped the cemetery issue, it had set in motion something it couldn't contain. People reached out, not only to Sufis, but to each other. They set up websites, bonded on Facebook, launched petitions to impeach McCarthy and investigate town government.

They packed into the civic center for a chaotic town meeting, where — as more than a dozen Sufis looked on — about 150 locals yelled at their board. "Shame on you!" they cried. "Apologize!"

Many had never been to a town meeting before. Many had never met a Muslim.

And they trekked to the Sufi center eight miles outside town, to sip tea with the sheik, to vow that Sidney, population 6,000, will be in the spotlight again, this time as a shining example of tolerance and understanding.
 
Really? the downfall of America?.....America as we know it now is more distrustful, hate filled, and backward than it has been in in over 20 years...Let it change
 
Really? the downfall of America?.....America as we know it now is more distrustful, hate filled, and backward than it has been in in over 20 years...Let it change

I disagree strongly,political correctness will be the death of America.We need to stand up to our enemies,keep our family units strong,maintain good values and morals,trust in the documents our forefathers drafted,stop big government,realize who the enemy is and form a plan to keep them out of our country,etc...
 
Tolerance and PC are two very different things my friend.....and by "our enimies" who are you referring to?

And Im sorry, but "values and morals" are for the most part subjective. Im not talking about stealing, killing and the bigguns. But more like, pre marital sex, cohabitation, abortion, homosexuality, drinking, all the little things. What might be offensive to one is fine to another. One part of the country cannot force feed the other with their version of morality. Mind you this goes for both Liberals AND Conservatives. I no more want to be told I need to adhere to strict Christian values more than I would want to be told I have to be a raging free love stinking hippie!
 
I disagree strongly,political correctness will be the death of America.We need to stand up to our enemies,keep our family units strong,maintain good values and morals,trust in the documents our forefathers drafted,stop big government,realize who the enemy is and form a plan to keep them out of our country,etc...

Thw world isnt out to get us(usa), we are out to get the world. In case you havent read your history books or taken notice of world events in the past 30 years or so... The USA is the last in a long line of the great empire builders The english, spanish, french, dutch, germany tried,... the list goes on and on.
Time to stop thinking of ME and and look from the perspective of WE.
 
I disagree strongly,political correctness will be the death of America.We need to stand up to our enemies,keep our family units strong,maintain good values and morals,trust in the documents our forefathers drafted,stop big government,realize who the enemy is and form a plan to keep them out of our country,etc...

Thw world isnt out to get us(usa), we are out to get the world. In case you havent read your history books or taken notice of world events in the past 30 years or so... The USA is the last in a long line of the great empire builders The english, spanish, french, dutch, germany tried,... the list goes on and on.
Time to stop thinking of ME and and begin looking from the perspective of WE.
 
If you are right about this seems the American plan is not working too well.Given our current state and economy.
 
If you are right about this seems the American plan is not working too well.Given our current state and economy.

Our current economic condition exists because our wealth and power has been progressively and systematically concentrated at the top few percent of the population.
 
Our current economic condition exists because our wealth and power has been progressively and systematically concentrated at the top few percent of the population.
Did that top few percentage work long hard hours,did they excell in school,did they pay their dues,do they have succesfull business' that employ millions,do they pay their taxes,are they the heart beat of America ?Are these the top few you refer to ?
 
No, they dont pay their fair share of taxes....they stop after cap thanks to Bush. And Large corporations get so many tax breaks its ridiculous. Certain oil companies actually got money back from the government...
 
I disagree about the wealthy not paying enough tax,I am more concerned about all those on entitlement programs and others who pay no tax.Which brings me to a good point?Question for you: Would you support a fair tax in this country ?
 
I disagree about the wealthy not paying enough tax,I am more concerned about all those on entitlement programs and others who pay no tax.Which brings me to a good point?Question for you: Would you support a fair tax in this country ?


I think you mean a "FLAT" tax, NOT "FAIR."
 
I think you mean a "FLAT" tax, NOT "FAIR."

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_main

What is the FairTax plan?

The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 13) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.

The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.

The FairTax:

Enables workers to keep their entire paychecks
Enables retirees to keep their entire pensions
Refunds in advance the tax on purchases of basic necessities
Allows American products to compete fairly
Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding
Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
Abolishes the IRS
 
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_main

What is the FairTax plan?

The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 13) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.


I have no idea if this site is the originator of this idea, but obviously they call it "FairTax." The relevant part is that part you did NOT BOLD and that is the tax is a FLAT tax (replaces them with one simple). I would imagine they are one and the same. Is that right?

[Right off the top of my head, I believe this form of taxation would be regressive. One simple result will be the dramatic increase in goods! For more, see http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/unspinning_the_fairtax.html ]

We stand behind our earlier analysis of the FairTax. The proposal to which Gov. Huckabee referred is not a 23 percent tax, but rather a 30 percent tax. And it is revenue-neutral only through an accounting trick. It will collect more money from those earning between $15,000 and $200,000 per year and less from those earning more than $200,000 per year. It is possible that the FairTax would make most people better off, but much of that gain would be a direct result of making the tax code less fair.
 
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Pretty sure that the answer to where the money goes is in here:

You do know that there are corporate entitlement programs dont you Dennis?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview/
 

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