A Black Mound of Canadian Oil Waste Is Rising Over Detroit

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/b...-coke-from-oil-sands-rises-in-detroit.html?hp

Assumption Park gives residents of this city lovely views of the Ambassador Bridge and the Detroit skyline. Lately they’ve been treated to another sight: a three-story pile of petroleum coke covering an entire city block on the other side of the Detroit River.

Detroit’s ever-growing black mountain is the unloved, unwanted and long overlooked byproduct of Canada’s oil sands boom.

And no one knows quite what to do about it, except Koch Carbon, which owns it.

The company is controlled by Charles and David Koch, wealthy industrialists who back a number of conservative and libertarian causes including activist groups that challenge the science behind climate change. The company sells the high-sulfur, high-carbon waste, usually overseas, where it is burned as fuel.

The coke comes from a refinery alongside the river owned by Marathon Petroleum, which has been there since 1930. But it began refining exports from the Canadian oil sands — and producing the waste that is sold to Koch — only in November.

“What is really, really disturbing to me is how some companies treat the city of Detroit as a dumping ground,” said Rashida Tlaib, the Michigan state representative for that part of Detroit. “Nobody knew this was going to happen.” Almost 56 percent of Canada’s oil production is from the petroleum-soaked oil sands of northern Alberta, more than 2,000 miles north.

An initial refining process known as coking, which releases the oil from the tarlike bitumen in the oil sands, also leaves the petroleum coke, of which Canada has 79.8 million tons stockpiled. Some is dumped in open-pit oil sands mines and tailing ponds in Alberta. Much is just piled up there.

Detroit’s pile will not be the only one. Canada’s efforts to sell more products derived from oil sands to the United States, which include transporting it through the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, have pulled more coking south to American refineries, creating more waste product here.

Marathon Petroleum’s plant in Detroit processes 28,000 barrels a day of the oil sands bitumen.

Residents on both sides of the Detroit River are concerned that the coke mountain is both an environmental threat and an eyesore.

“Here’s a little bit of Alberta,” said Brian Masse, one of Windsor’s Parliament members. “For those that thought they were immune from the oil sands and the consequences of them, we’re now seeing up front and center that we’re not.”

Mr. Masse wants the International Joint Commission, the bilateral agency that governs the Great Lakes, to investigate the pile. Michigan’s state environmental regulatory agency has submitted a formal request to Detroit Bulk Storage, the company holding the material for Koch Carbon, to change its storage methods. Michigan politicians and environmental groups have also joined cause with Windsor residents. Paul Baltzer, a spokesman for Koch’s parent company, Koch Companies Public Sector, did not respond to questions about its storage or the ultimate destination of the petroleum coke.

Coke, which is mainly carbon, is an essential ingredient in steelmaking as well as producing the electrical anodes used to make aluminum.

While there is high demand from both those industries, the small grains and high sulfur content of this petroleum coke make it largely unusable for those purposes, said Kerry Satterthwaite, a petroleum coke analyst at Roskill Information Services, a commodities analysis company based in London.

“It is worse than a byproduct,” Ms. Satterthwaite said.“It’s a waste byproduct that is costly and inconvenient to store, but effectively costs nothing to produce.”

Murray Gray, the scientific director for the Center for Oil Sands Innovation at the University of Alberta, said that about two years ago, Alberta backed away from plans to use the petroleum coke as a fuel source, partly over concerns about greenhouse-gas emissions. Some of it is burned there, however, to power coking plants.

The Keystone XL pipeline will provide Gulf Coast refineries with a steady supply of diluted bitumen from the oil sands. The plants on the coast, like the coking refineries concentrated in California to deal with that state’s heavy crude oil, are positioned to ship the waste to China or Mexico, where it is burned as a fuel. California exports about 128,000 barrels of petroleum coke a day, mainly to China.

Tony McCallum, a spokesman for the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers, played down the impact of Keystone XL. “Most of the Canadian oil earmarked for the U.S. Gulf Coast is to replace declining heavy oil imports from Mexico and Venezuela that produces the same amount of petcoke, so it doesn’t create a new issue,” he wrote in an e-mail.

Much of the new coking investment has gone into refineries in the Midwest to allow them to take advantage of the oil sands. BP, the British energy company, is building what it describes as the second-largest coke refinery in Whiting, Ind. When completed, the unit will be able to process about 102,000 barrels of bitumen or other heavy oils a day.

And what about the leftover coke? The Environmental Protection Agency will no longer allow any new licenses permitting the burning of petroleum coke in the United States. But D. Mark Routt, a staff energy consultant at KBC Advanced Technologies in Houston, said that overseas companies saw it as a cheap alternative to low-grade coal. In China, it is used to generate electricity, adding to that country’s air-quality problems. There is also strong demand from India and Latin America for American petroleum coke, where it mainly fuels cement-making kilns.

“I’m not making a value statement, but it comes down to emission controls,” Mr. Routt said. “Other people don’t seem to have a problem, which is why it is going to Mexico, which is why it is going to China.”

“One man’s junk is another man’s treasure,” he said. One of the world’s largest dealers of petroleum coke is the Oxbow Corporation, which sells about 11 million tons of fuel-grade coke a year. It is owned by William I. Koch, a brother of David and Charles.

Lorne Stockman, who recently published a study on petroleum coke for the environmental group Oil Change International, says, “It’s really the dirtiest residue from the dirtiest oil on earth,” he said.

Rhonda Anderson, an organizing representative of the Sierra Club in Detroit, said that the mountain’s rise took her group by surprise, but it had one benefit.

“Those piles kind of hit us upside to the head,” she said. “But it also triggered a kind of relationship between Canada and the United States that’s allowed us to work together.”
 
Im not sure that what I am about to say has too much to do with the mound of waste. But, here goes. Everyone in the USA believes that Canadians are our friendly neighbor to the north. Most of them are. On the other hand the basic rule
of Canada is " if it didnt happen in Canada--it didnt happen." We could use a bit more of that attitude down here. It can be a good or bad thing.
Canadians can commit lots of crimes outside of their borders and always be welcomed home by Uncle Maple Leaf. With that in mind, some do. White collar, telemarket, internet, bank robbery, pyramid, a plethora of investment and land schemes. I have seen these guys do just about everything under the sun. Including dump or leave waste product on other borders.
"And like a puff of smoke they disappear." Leaving behind a grand mess wrapped up in LLC,s-Lies-Shadows-and pipedreams.
 
Im not sure that what I am about to say has too much to do with the mound of waste. But, here goes. Everyone in the USA believes that Canadians are our friendly neighbor to the north. Most of them are. On the other hand the basic rule
of Canada is " if it didnt happen in Canada--it didnt happen." We could use a bit more of that attitude down here. It can be a good or bad thing.
Canadians can commit lots of crimes outside of their borders and always be welcomed home by Uncle Maple Leaf. With that in mind, some do. White collar, telemarket, internet, bank robbery, pyramid, a plethora of investment and land schemes. I have seen these guys do just about everything under the sun. Including dump or leave waste product on other borders.
"And like a puff of smoke they disappear." Leaving behind a grand mess wrapped up in LLC,s-Lies-Shadows-and pipedreams.

So what is your point? Are there Canadians that commit crimes? Yes, there are.

As far as the oil sands, Ive been in the oil patch. Its a tremendous resource, but at the same time its an environmental disaster on a gigantic scale. And the worst part of it is most of the Big Oil companies are not Canadian, they come in and get 50% of the revenue and we get the mess to clean up,some jobs, and some tax revenue.
So anytime you want to see a grand mess, made by an American Company (KBR, construction wing of haliburton is a good example ) on Canadian land check it out.

As far as the mess in Detroit, from the article it appears you can thank the Koch brothers for that. If an American company is allowed to bring in dirty oil from the tarsands to make money, that's an American issue.
 
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So what is your point? Are there Canadians that commit crimes? Yes, there are.

As far as the oil sands, Ive been in the oil patch. Its a tremendous resource, but at the same time its an environmental disaster on a gigantic scale. And the worst part of it is most of the Big Oil companies are not Canadian, they come in and get 50% of the revenue and we get the mess to clean up,some jobs, and some tax revenue.
So anytime you want to see a grand mess, made by an American Company (KBR, construction wing of haliburton is a good example ) on Canadian land check it out.

As far as the mess in Detroit, from the article it appears you can thank the Koch brothers for that. If an American company is allowed to bring in dirty oil from the tarsands to make money, that's an American issue.

The point that is mostly being made is that ( Canadians can commit many crimes outside of Canada and never face prosecution for those crimes once back in Canadian borders) U.S. citizens on the other hand, will face immediate prosecution and or deportation to the offended country in order to be prosecuted.

For the rest of this, my first sentence should have been explanation enough.........Anyhow, most of the world knows that Canadians are generally good decent people. That is exactly the reasons that the bad ones are so successful in their criminal endeavors. The element of surprise.
 
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The point that is mostly being made is that ( Canadians can commit many crimes outside of Canada and never face prosecution for those crimes once back in Canadian borders) U.S. citizens on the other hand, will face immediate prosecution and or deportation to the offended country in order to be prosecuted.

For the rest of this, my first sentence should have been explanation enough.........Anyhow, most of the world knows that Canadians are generally good decent people. That is exactly the reasons that the bad ones are so successful in their criminal endeavors. The element of surprise.

Canada has extradition treaties with pretty much all the same countries that America does. In fact we have citizens who have been extradited to the USA for trial and incarceration, that have never even set foot on American soil.
marc Emery and the former owner of the BB board CJM are good examples of that.

In any case, it has nothing to do with the thread at all.
 
Canada has extradition treaties with pretty much all the same countries that America does. In fact we have citizens who have been extradited to the USA for trial and incarceration, that have never even set foot on American soil.
marc Emery and the former owner of the BB board CJM are good examples of that.

In any case, it has nothing to do with the thread at all.

Having an extradition treaty and living up to it are two separate things.
In fact one good way to determine if a Canadian is on the other side of
international law (when in Latin America) is to simply ask them where
will they depart on their way back to Canada. If they are leaving from an
airport where there are direct flights back to Canada, flts that do not have
layovers in USA. Avoid these Canadians. The rest are ok, just sensitive
nationalist.:)
The entire thread has nothing to do with anything.....Detroit is already a toxic dump. The sludge is home.
 
Having an extradition treaty and living up to it are two separate things.
In fact one good way to determine if a Canadian is on the other side of
international law (when in Latin America) is to simply ask them where
will they depart on their way back to Canada. If they are leaving from an
airport where there are direct flights back to Canada, flts that do not have
layovers in USA. Avoid these Canadians. The rest are ok, just sensitive
nationalist.:)
The entire thread has nothing to do with anything.....Detroit is already a toxic dump. The sludge is home.

Dude, the DEA has offices in Canada.
Name 1 person that Canada has refused to extradite to the USA.
 
Dude, the DEA has offices in Canada.
Name 1 person that Canada has refused to extradite to the USA.

Your kidding right? What does that question have to do with anything I have written?
Dude, both the US, Canada and practically every halfway civilized nation in the world have embassy's and some type of police in all countries. I had always believed that to be common knowledge. But that doesnt for one minute mean
that they will live up to extradition treaties. At least not until they feel like it or get
something in return. Thats how these things work in the real world.
Canada and the US do about 1 billion in trade everyday. Of course they honor extradition.
 
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