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Michael Scally MD said:
Can you say TOAST? [In case you missed it, this thread is titled REVOLUTION and was begun on January 28. In other words, the thread expected more than just Egypt. For those that seemingly express the opinion for NO change [REVOLUTION], you are on the side of dictatorship, repression, and more. Regardless of the outcome, there must be REVOLUTION to have change. WAKE UP!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBY-0n4esNY
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Arabs Embrace Israeli’s YouTube Spoof of Qaddafi
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/world/middleeast/28youtube.html?hp

February 27, 2011
By ISABEL KERSHNER

JERUSALEM — A satirical YouTube clip mocking Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s megalomania is fast becoming a popular token of the Libya uprising across Middle East. And in an added affront to Colonel Qaddafi, it was created by an Israeli living in Tel Aviv.

Noy Alooshe, 31, an Israeli journalist, musician and Internet buff, said he saw Colonel Qaddafi’s televised speech last Tuesday in which the Libyan leader vowed to hunt down protesters “inch by inch, house by house, home by home, alleyway by alleyway,” and immediately identified it as a “classic hit.”

“He was dressed strangely, and he raised his arms” like at a trance party, Mr. Alooshe said in a telephone interview on Sunday. Then there were Colonel Qaddafi’s words with their natural beat.

Mr. Alooshe spent a few hours at the computer, using Auto-Tune pitch corrector technology to set the speech to the music of “Hey Baby,” a 2010 electro hip-hop song by American rapper Pitbull, featuring another artist, T-Pain. He titled it “Zenga-Zenga,” echoing Col. Qaddafi’s repetition of the word zanqa, Arabic for alleyway.

By the early hours of Wednesday morning Mr. Alooshe had uploaded the remix to YouTube, and began promoting it on Twitter and Facebook, sending the link to the pages of young Arab revolutionaries. By Sunday, the original clip had more than 400,000 hits and had gone viral.

Mr. Alooshe, who at first did not identify himself on the clip as an Israeli, started receiving enthusiastic messages from all around the Arab world. Surfers soon discovered that he was a Jewish Israeli from his Facebook profile — Mr. Alooshe plays in a band called Hovevey Zion, or the Lovers of Zion — and some of the accolades turned to curses. A few also found the video distasteful.

But the reactions have largely been positive, including a personal message Mr. Alooshe said he received from someone he assumed to be a Libyan saying that if and when the Qaddafi regime falls, the liberated Libyans would dance to Zenga-Zenga.

The original clip features mirror images of a scantily clad woman dancing along to Colonel Qaddafi’s rant. Mr. Alooshe said he got many requests from surfers who asked him to provide a version without the dancer so that they could show it to their parents, which he did. ([ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GcUutnU2gk]YouTube - Gaddafi-Zenga Song-No girl edit version (Noy Alooshe Remix)[/ame]).

Mr. Alooshe speaks no Arabic though his grandparents came from Tunisia. He said he uses Google Translate every few hours to check messages and remove any offensive remarks.

Israelis have been watching the events in Libya unfold with the same rapt attention as they have to the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt, with news of the bloodshed dominating the front pages of the major newspapers this weekend.

In the past, Colonel Qaddafi has proposed that Palestinian refugees should return en masse by ship to Israel’s shores, and that Israel and the Palestinian territories should be combined into one state called Isratine.

Mr. Alooshe said he was a little worried that if the Libyan leader survived, he could send one of his sons after him. But he said it was “also very exciting to be making waves in the Arab world as an Israeli.”

As one surfer wrote in an Arabic talkback early Sunday, “What’s the problem if he’s an Israeli? The video is still funny.” He signed off with the international cyber-laugh, “Hahaha.”
 
Michael Scally MD said:
Unfit for Democracy?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/opinion/27kristof.html

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: February 26, 2011

Is the Arab world unready for freedom? A crude stereotype lingers that some people — Arabs, Chinese and Africans — are incompatible with democracy. Many around the world fret that “people power” will likely result in Somalia-style chaos, Iraq-style civil war or Iran-style oppression.

That narrative has been nourished by Westerners and, more sadly, by some Arab, Chinese and African leaders. So with much of the Middle East in an uproar today, let’s tackle a politically incorrect question head-on: Are Arabs too politically immature to handle democracy?

This concern is the subtext for much anxiety today, from Washington to Riyadh. And there’s no question that there are perils: the overthrow of the shah in Iran, of Saddam Hussein in Iraq, of Tito in Yugoslavia, all led to new oppression and bloodshed. Congolese celebrated the eviction of their longtime dictator in 1997, but the civil war since has been the most lethal conflict since World War II. If Libya becomes another Congo, if Bahrain becomes an Iranian satellite, if Egypt becomes controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood — well, in those circumstances ordinary citizens might end up pining for former oppressors.

“Before the revolution, we were slaves, and now we are the slaves of former slaves,” Lu Xun, the great Chinese writer, declared after the toppling of the Qing dynasty. Is that the future of the Middle East?

I don’t think so. Moreover, this line of thinking seems to me insulting to the unfree world. In Egypt and Bahrain in recent weeks, I’ve been humbled by the lionhearted men and women I’ve seen defying tear gas or bullets for freedom that we take for granted. How can we say that these people are unready for a democracy that they are prepared to die for?

We Americans spout bromides about freedom. Democracy campaigners in the Middle East have been enduring unimaginable tortures as the price of their struggle — at the hands of dictators who are our allies — yet they persist. In Bahrain, former political prisoners have said that their wives were taken into the jail in front of them. And then the men were told that unless they confessed, their wives would promptly be raped. That, or more conventional tortures, usually elicited temporary confessions, yet for years or decades those activists persisted in struggling for democracy. And we ask if they’re mature enough to handle it?

The common thread of this year’s democracy movement from Tunisia to Iran, from Yemen to Libya, has been undaunted courage. I’ll never forget a double-amputee I met in Tahrir Square in Cairo when Hosni Mubarak’s thugs were attacking with rocks, clubs and Molotov cocktails. This young man rolled his wheelchair to the front lines. And we doubt his understanding of what democracy means?

In Bahrain, I watched a column of men and women march unarmed toward security forces when, a day earlier, the troops had opened fire with live ammunition. Anyone dare say that such people are too immature to handle democracy?

Look, there’ll be bumps ahead. It took Americans six years after the Revolutionary War to elect a president, and we almost came apart at the seams again in the 1860s. When Eastern Europe became democratic after the 1989 revolutions, Poland and the Czech Republic adjusted well, but Romania and Albania endured chaos for years. After the 1998 people power revolution in Indonesia, I came across mobs in eastern Java who were beheading people and carrying their heads on pikes.

The record is that after some missteps, countries usually pull through. Education, wealth, international connections and civil society institutions help. And, on balance, Egypt, Libya and Bahrain are better positioned today for democracy than Mongolia or Indonesia seemed in the 1990s — and Mongolia and Indonesia today are successes. Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain visited the Middle East a few days ago (arms dealers in tow), and he forthrightly acknowledged that for too long Britain had backed authoritarian regimes to achieve stability. He acknowledged that his country had bought into the bigoted notion “that Arabs or Muslims can’t do democracy.” And he added: “For me, that’s a prejudice that borders on racism. It’s offensive and wrong, and it’s simply not true.”

It’s still a view peddled by Arab dictatorships, particularly Saudi Arabia — and, of course, by China’s leaders and just about any African despot. It’s unfortunate when Westerners are bigoted in this way, but it’s even sadder when leaders in the developing world voice such prejudices about their own people.

In the 21st century, there’s no realistic alternative to siding with people power. Prof. William Easterly of New York University proposes a standard of reciprocity: “I don’t support autocracy in your society if I don’t want it in my society.”

That should be our new starting point. I’m awed by the courage I see, and it’s condescending and foolish to suggest that people dying for democracy aren’t ready for it.
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Are Arabs too politically immature to handle democracy? LMFAO
If any group is too politically immature to handle democracy it is the one right here in the USA who have elected leaders who have systematically enacted legislaton to wipe out the ones who elected them in the first place. That would be the American middle class- the same ones who fall for the same lines over and over again. Its sad really.



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zkt said:
The same could be said of Bach and Mozart: they wrote a few songs. Or VanGogh: he did a few paintings.
I respect your right to dislike Cohen. But I`m curious. Is it his message you dislike or do you think that art, per se, is unimportant?
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To sum it up - I love art. And while I don't like Cohen's message, I respect his right to express it, BUT I also know he has that right because of men like Churchill. Churchill did not need Cohen, Cohen needed Churchill and men like Churchill.

Without Churchill I would not lead the life I lead. One could say that without Churchill my world would be very different. His impact on history is clear. My life is impacted very little by Cohen. If he never existed, I seriously doubt it would matter that much to me or to Western Civilization. As a matter of degree, Cohen is a dimple on a pimple on a nat's flies balls compared to Churchill.

Art has its place, as does philosophy, science, religion, and politics. But leadership, particularly during tipping points in history, has far greater impact than art. If civilization fails, the other stuff ceases to matter. If we are reduced to slavery, or to a savage existence where food and shelter dominate the landscape of our existence, then the headier pursuits will diminish to mere specks. It is civilization which gives us the ability to follow the higher pursuits of math, science, law, etc.
 
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gmerits said:
To sum it up - I love art. And while I don't like Cohen's message, I respect his right to express it, BUT I also know he has that right because of men like Churchill. Churchill did not need Cohen, Cohen needed Churchill and men like Churchill.

Without Churchill I would not lead the life I lead. One could say that without Churchill my world would be very different. His impact on history is clear. My life is impacted very little by Cohen. If he never existed, I seriously doubt it would matter that much to me or to Western Civilization. As a matter of degree, Cohen is a dimple on a pimple on a nat's flies balls compared to Churchill.

Art has its place, as does philosophy, science, religion, and politics. But leadership, particularly during tipping points in history, has far greater impact than art. If civilization fails, the other stuff ceases to matter. If we are reduced to slavery, or to a savage existence where food and shelter dominate the landscape of our existence, then the headier pursuits will diminish to mere specks. It is civilization which gives us the ability to follow the higher pursuits of math, science, law, etc.
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well said. just for arguement sake. leadership which way? would the nazis be void of art. or just jews.
 
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gmerits said:
To sum it up - I love art. And while I don't like Cohen's message, I respect his right to express it, BUT I also know he has that right because of men like Churchill. Churchill did not need Cohen, Cohen needed Churchill and men like Churchill.

Without Churchill I would not lead the life I lead. One could say that without Churchill my world would be very different. His impact on history is clear. My life is impacted very little by Cohen. If he never existed, I seriously doubt it would matter that much to me or to Western Civilization. As a matter of degree, Cohen is a dimple on a pimple on a nat's flies balls compared to Churchill.

Art has its place, as does philosophy, science, religion, and politics. But leadership, particularly during tipping points in history, has far greater impact than art. If civilization fails, the other stuff ceases to matter. If we are reduced to slavery, or to a savage existence where food and shelter dominate the landscape of our existence, then the headier pursuits will diminish to mere specks. It is civilization which gives us the ability to follow the higher pursuits of math, science, law, etc.
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Now you go and start making sense. :( You really blew my rebuttal.:tiphat
I think we might be able to have an intelligent discussion of religion and politics yet.
Hey we are !
 
Sorry, I do kind of get aggressive sometimes. I'm not kidding, its the T levels and DHT - they are sky high! Even the wife is starting to notice I am turning into a cranky bastard. Don't take anything I write too personally as I am still in the process of dialing down the T! You may enjoy my article: Civilization’s Thin Veneer – Precariously We Stand | Wolves of Liberty

zkt said:
Now you go and start making sense. :( You really blew my rebuttal.:tiphat
I think we might be able to have an intelligent discussion of religion and politics yet.
Hey we are !
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zkt said:
Are Arabs too politically immature to handle democracy? LMFAO
If any group is too politically immature to handle democracy it is the one right here in the USA who have elected leaders who have systematically enacted legislaton to wipe out the ones who elected them in the first place. That would be the American middle class- the same ones who fall for the same lines over and over again. Its sad really.
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gmerits said:
Sorry, I do kind of get aggressive sometimes. I'm not kidding, its the T levels and DHT - they are sky high! Even the wife is starting to notice I am turning into a cranky bastard. Don't take anything I write too personally as I am still in the process of dialing down the T! You may enjoy my article: Civilization’s Thin Veneer – Precariously We Stand | Wolves of Liberty
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Yea I tend to get into it into the stratosphere sometimes too. I`ll check your article out and let you know where you are wrong. :D Look forward to talking more with you.
 
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zkt said:
Yea I tend to get into it into the stratosphere sometimes too. I`ll check your article out and let you know where you are wrong. :D Look forward to talking more with you.
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Don't you know I am never wrong? My wife calls me the humble narcissist. [:o)]
 
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Iran cracks down on protesters
http://www.ft.com

Iran’s security forces have clashed with protesters demonstrating against the alleged arrest of opposition leaders Mir-Hossein Moussavi and Mehdi Karroub in central Tehran.

Eyewitnesses said the security presence in many main squares and key junctions was one of the heaviest ever seen in the capital.

Opposition websites reported that security forces used tear gas and batons to disperse demonstrators who chanted “death to the dictator” and “Moussavi, Karroubi must be freed”.

Sahamnews, the official website of Mr Karroubi, claimed demonstrators set fire on at least two police vans in Enghelab square, where anti-regime rallies are often held.

There were also unconfirmed reports that protesters attacked security forces to disarm them.

The size of the crowd along the 10km route from Imam Hossein to Azadi squares was unclear and the Financial Times was unable to confirm unofficial reports that tens were arrested. There were no reports of fatalities.

The fate of the two opposition leaders remains uncertain. Kaleme, the official website of Mr Moussavi, said on Monday that the two men and their wives were imprisoned in Heshmatieh jail, which is said to be run by the armed forces.

However, Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejei, spokesman for the judiciary, denied the report on Tuesday. “The news released by some hostile media regarding the transfer of Mr Moussavi and Mr Karroubi to Heshmatieh detention centre is not correct,” he said.

Meanwhile, children of the opposition leaders have urged the regime to let them see their parents in their homes if they are not imprisoned.

The daughters of Mr Moussavi in a statement claimed contradictory remarks by Iranian officials were meant to diffuse anger about the arrests.

Mohammad-Taghi Karroubi, one of the sons of Mr Karroubi, also insisted on his weblog that his parents were in jail and not under house arrest as the regime implied. “There is no news on their situation,” he wrote, urging the regime to let the opposition leaders enjoy prisoners’ rights and defend the allegations against them in an open trial.

The tightening of restrictions on the opposition leaders came after Mr Moussavi and Mr Karroubi called on their supporters to stage a rally in sympathy with North African uprisings on February 14. The call revived anti-regime street protests, which had stopped for more than a year.

This led to the unofficial house arrest of the opposition leaders over the past week – the toughest measure taken against them since they denounced the disputed presidential election results in 2009 as fraudulent and led to the worst political unrest against the regime since the Islamic Republic’s establishment in 1979.

In the absence of the opposition leaders, the Co-ordination Council of the Green Path of Hope, an opaque committee based outside the country, has taken the lead in organising the opposition and called on its supporters to pursue the release of the two leaders by continuing street protests on successive Tuesdays until March 15.

Hardliners accuse the opposition leaders of trying to overthrow the Islamic regime in co-ordination with western governments. They cite US and European condemnation of the crackdown in Iran as evidence of the opposition’s connections with foreign intelligence services.
 
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Live Blog - Libya March 5
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-5



 
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LOL. Bet thats not all she calls you sometimes.:D
I was gonna change my signature line to read:

ain`t no good guys.
ain`t no bad guys.
there`s just you and me,
and we just disagree.
and I`m fuckin right and you`re not.

But not enough space.

http://www.superlyrics.com/lyrics/kGRU0hgdWS@H@c/We_Just_Disagree_lyrics_by_Dave_Mason.html

gmerits said:
Don't you know I am never wrong? My wife calls me the humble narcissist. [:o)]
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zkt said:
LOL. Bet thats not all she calls you sometimes.:D
I was gonna change my signature line to read:

ain`t no good guys.
ain`t no bad guys.
there`s just you and me,
and we just disagree.
and I`m fuckin right and you`re not.

But not enough space.

http://www.superlyrics.com/lyrics/kGRU0hgdWS@H@c/We_Just_Disagree_lyrics_by_Dave_Mason.html
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30"]YouTube - Dave Mason-We Just Disagree[/ame]

Been away, haven't seen you in a while.
How've you been?
Have you changed your style and do you think
That we've grown up differently? Don't seem the same
Seems you've lost your feel for me

So let's leave it alone, 'cause we can't see eye to eye.
There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys.
There's only you and me and we just disagree.
Ooo - ooo - ooohoo oh - oh - o-whoa

I'm going back to a place that's far away. How bout you?
Have you got a place to stay? Why should I care?
When I'm just trying to get along We were friends
But now it's the end of our love song...

So let's leave it alone, 'cause we can't see eye to eye.
There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys.
There's only you and me and we just disagree.
Ooo - ooo - ooohoo oh - oh - o-whoa

So let's leave it alone, 'cause we can't see eye to eye.
There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys.
There's only you and me and we just disagree.
Ooo - ooo - ooohoo oh - oh - o-whoa
 
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