libido crisis & unexpected bloodwork

[ostarine]

Curious about you guy's thoughts on my situation. I belive it to be unique.

Protocol:
Test cyp 92.5mg Sun & Wed—185mg/wk total
HCG 250 IU Sun & Wed—500 IU/wk total
Been on this for 7 weeks
no IU so far
started from baseline total t of ~425 ng/dl

28 years old. 165lbs. 13%bf. diet and training is good. Sleep hasnt been the best recently, but HRV and RHR are all consistent with how they've been pre-exogenous test.

Effects:
Didn't notice really anything at first; I understood this was to be expected. Around week 4, mood started getting flat, feeling a little more lethargic, and most importantly... libido fell to nearly zero. At week 6 I literally had the opportunity to have sex with a woman I've found attractive for a while, and I had no desire to. Obviously pissed me the fuck off. Not expected considering the stereotypical effects of TRT people speak about. Ordered bloods the next day.

Labs:
(Taken at tough, fasted. followed guidelines for accurate prolactin readings)
Total T: 1916ng/dl
Free T: 58ng/dl
Estradiol(LC/MS, ultrasensitive): 112pg/ml
Prolactin: 21.1ng/ml
Lipids, cmp, cbc had no red flags other than HDL was a little low at 34

I did not expect the total t to be so high. Not completely familiar with dose responces, but 1900+ at trough was not what I was expecting, not shooting for. Naturally the E2 was also way too high. Wondering if that had to do with my odd mood and libido symptoms.
During the course of the protocol, I didn't notice any high E2 symptoms other than a little bit of water weight, and little bits of spicy nip here and there, so I didn't see the need to take AI at the time.

When I got blood back, I:
took .25mg arimidex
Discontinued HCG for now
Dropped the test dose to 160 mg/wk and increased pin frequency to eod. All done in effort to get things back to normal ish levels across the board so I could more accuratly start diagnosing why I was feeling like shit.


Curious about the flat mood and zero libido, what may be causing it, how I can address it, and how to avoid negative effects like those again in the future.
-Cheers.

 

[Innocent Bystander]

Yeah, I'd say the E2 is your prime culprit. At least you got labs.

Nice job dropping the doses. You seem to be a high responder. Congratulations.

Remember that arimidex is a non-suicidal Ai so after it wears off you get a estradiol spike. Not a big deal with one .25mg dose.

 

[frofrank]

The twice weekly pinning doing you dirty, EOD should be good enough with cyp but ED if you're a cool cat will help even more. I personally wouldn't take out the HCG, just level yourself with adex (get some aromasin next time its better) but 250iu 3 times a week will also be better for you than the hefty 500 twice. Cant complain about being a high responder, love that for you.

Wanted to get my point across without being a doosh first since you have a well thought out post but go stop by here so you don't get a ban hammer.

Also it seems like you're smart but some guys mess this up with EOD pinning, your dose should be 45mg EOD if you want 160mg (157.5) average weekly. I think go 50mg EOD for a clean 175 weekly to keep your test levels where they're at, once you calm down the e2 you're going to feel great man don't stress about lowering everything and over correcting the issue. Crashed e2 is wayyyy worse of a problem. Good luck.

 

[ostarine]

The twice weekly pinning doing you dirty, EOD should be good enough with cyp but ED if you're a cool cat will help even more. I personally wouldn't take out the HCG, just level yourself with adex (get some aromasin next time its better) but 250iu 3 times a week will also be better for you than the hefty 500 twice. Cant complain about being a high responder, love that for you.

Wanted to get my point across without being a doosh first since you have a well thought out post but go stop by here so you don't get a ban hammer.

Also it seems like you're smart but some guys mess this up with EOD pinning, your dose should be 45mg EOD if you want 160mg (157.5) average weekly. I think go 50mg EOD for a clean 175 weekly to keep your test levels where they're at, once you calm down the e2 you're going to feel great man don't stress about lowering everything and over correcting the issue. Crashed e2 is wayyyy worse of a problem. Good luck.

Noted. I appreciate the words. Thanks for the nudge towards the new member introduction. I hope to contribute positively in the future.

 

[BabaJagga]

well, you wrote "no high e2 sides" but described mental and physical sides of high e2...
get estrogen under control first. with high e2 you can have all sorts of issues, mental and physical.

 

[Eddie.]

Damn, that e2 is 4 times out of the top range lol and with prolactin not being on the low side you’re lucky you didn’t grow some boobs.

High total test just shows your response, with 200 test and 1500 HCG I had 1450 which is low but everyone is different.

 

[Ateam2023]

Curious about you guy's thoughts on my situation. I belive it to be unique.

Protocol:
Test cyp 92.5mg Sun & Wed—185mg/wk total
HCG 250 IU Sun & Wed—500 IU/wk total
Been on this for 7 weeks
no IU so far
started from baseline total t of ~425 ng/dl

28 years old. 165lbs. 13%bf. diet and training is good. Sleep hasnt been the best recently, but HRV and RHR are all consistent with how they've been pre-exogenous test.

Effects:
Didn't notice really anything at first; I understood this was to be expected. Around week 4, mood started getting flat, feeling a little more lethargic, and most importantly... libido fell to nearly zero. At week 6 I literally had the opportunity to have sex with a woman I've found attractive for a while, and I had no desire to. Obviously pissed me the fuck off. Not expected considering the stereotypical effects of TRT people speak about. Ordered bloods the next day.

Labs:
(Taken at tough, fasted. followed guidelines for accurate prolactin readings)
Total T: 1916ng/dl
Free T: 58ng/dl
Estradiol(LC/MS, ultrasensitive): 112pg/ml
Prolactin: 21.1ng/ml
Lipids, cmp, cbc had no red flags other than HDL was a little low at 34

I did not expect the total t to be so high. Not completely familiar with dose responces, but 1900+ at trough was not what I was expecting, not shooting for. Naturally the E2 was also way too high. Wondering if that had to do with my odd mood and libido symptoms.
During the course of the protocol, I didn't notice any high E2 symptoms other than a little bit of water weight, and little bits of spicy nip here and there, so I didn't see the need to take AI at the time.

When I got blood back, I:
took .25mg arimidex
Discontinued HCG for now
Dropped the test dose to 160 mg/wk and increased pin frequency to eod. All done in effort to get things back to normal ish levels across the board so I could more accuratly start diagnosing why I was feeling like shit.


Curious about the flat mood and zero libido, what may be causing it, how I can address it, and how to avoid negative effects like those again in the future.
-Cheers.

When I switched my test C injections to EOD it smoothed out my E2 considerably, I was struggling to keep my E2 in an acceptable range even at TRT doses , I was either too high or too low, but EOD injections I no longer need an AI and my E2 is an acceptable range

 

[SnowyMiami]

I had better luck with asin than adex on a similar dose. Adex was just too strong. Most men need something on board to control estrogen whether it be a dht or an ai.

 

[buck]

Not all do well with high test levels. If you are wanting true TRT then you need a lot lower dose obviously. Generally it is best to start lower then go up then the other way around. If you are just on a cycle then lowering your E2 would be a start.

 

[BendigoShafter]

What are your SHBG levels?