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Why don't you tell him what the Redbox message means?

 

[Andrewthatguy]

When you already bench 500lbs, you don't keep getting stronger weekly while dieting on 300mg of tren anymore unless you are literally John Haack from 5 years ago

Dude is taking about fat loss. He is taking Tren and not losing fat. That is 100% user error and nothing else. It is nothing other a shit diet. Tren is the god of shredding

 

[k710]

Why don't you tell him what the Redbox message means?

I actually just spend a few minutes trying to find information about this red box warning and surprisingly have still not been able to find a statement about it. What mod posted above is in the forums FAQ, but didnt see any mention of highlighting posts red, what crateria qualifies a red box or how can users flag potentional harm posts, or how they get logged/corrected/validated or who has burden of proof in the case? Id assume both member and vendor? Aside from ToS/help/Privacy policy tabs at the bottom of the site, I also searched the forums and only found one post basically asking the same thing.

I could very easily be missing it so any links/info would be greatly appreciated

 

[Photon]

Why don't you tell him what the Redbox message means?

Source threads move too quickly and issues get buried or ignored. Potential issues seems to be given a red box (?)

At the top of the page I see a filter option, seems to be buggy, but it does filter out all posts except the red ones? It doesn't seem to work well tho lol

I would assume the goal is for users to be able to quickly filter out all non relevant talk and to see what are the potential issues of each source without having to go through 5 pages of people asking how do you place an order.

(That's how I see it)

 

[KOArtist]

Aye yooo I thought this was me lmaoooo

Mine is meaner bro! Haha

 

[Mr.AAJR]

I like the red box idea. I do not like the idea that someone can come on the thread and make a claim without evidence, pictures, explanation of questions asked, etc. and immediately get a red box. Just my two cents.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

Mine is meaner bro! Haha

I like it! LOL

Source threads move too quickly and issues get buried or ignored. Potential issues seems to be given a red box (?)

At the top of the page I see a filter option, seems to be buggy, but it does filter out all posts except the red ones? It doesn't seem to work well tho lol

I would assume the goal is for users to be able to quickly filter out all non relevant talk and to see what are the potential issues of each source without having to go through 5 pages of people asking how do you place an order.

(That's how I see it)

I like the concept, but without evidence it’s hard to take the red flags seriously. And if we’re going that route, highlighting positive feedback with green boxes would make it a lot more balanced. Can’t have the good without the bad!

Just my opinion.

 

[Ateam2023]

I actually just spend a few minutes trying to find information about this red box warning and surprisingly have still not been able to find a statement about it. What mod posted above is in the forums FAQ, but didnt see any mention of highlighting posts red, what crateria qualifies a red box or how can users flag potentional harm posts, or how they get logged/corrected/validated or who has burden of proof in the case? Id assume both member and vendor? Aside from ToS/help/Privacy policy tabs at the bottom of the site, I also searched the forums and only found one post basically asking the same thing.

I could very easily be missing it so any links/info would be greatly appreciated

Message @Millard he's the one that started the red box theme, i just remember reading about it somewhere , can't remember where to be honest ,

 

[Tbaz192]

Highlighting positive feedback with green boxes

That would make these threads look like eroids reviews and take it from a legit forum to an easy spoon fed source board of who had the most green boxes. Js.

 

[powdered_toast_man]

Dude is taking about fat loss. He is taking Tren and not losing fat. That is 100% user error and nothing else. It is nothing other a shit diet. Tren is the god of shredding

yea but you talked about strength gain

 

[Andrewthatguy]

yea but you talked about strength gain

Yeah but there was to parts to my comment. Anybody gaining weight during a cut on Tren is wasting gear, send me the Tren I’ll put it to good use.

 

[Rhynosaurus]

Mine is meaner bro! Haha

Dang, I've been hanging around for 10+ years and you've been here 20+ and still got me beat on less messages.

Kept it cool, my man

 

[desertwarrior]

I’ll say this again. Never in the history of MESO has any burden of proof been on the member when posting concerns. The only time something like that would happen is if they were seeking a refund and the source wanted to verify the issue on their end as to not be scammed. That conversation would be private and only between the source and their customer, no mod and certainly not Millard have ever been involved in verification of claims in furtherance of protecting a source’s reputation. This board does not protect sources its purpose is harm reduction. Members here are not to be badgered and harassed about evidence to protect sources. That makes members less likely to post legitimate issues that would be useful information for the board. Every source claims this bullshit about competitor sabotage, you guys are just the first to believe it.

There’s a lot of knowledgeable guys here, but information about which needles you use and if primo lowers e, definitely don’t belong in a source thread. If you’re worried your source is going to be made to look bad by the red boxes maybe try reading the forum rules and posting things where they belong and the red boxes wouldn’t be necessary. Potential issues should ALWAYS be posted, it’s up to you to use your own judgement and discern what is of value and what should be ignored.

 

[Athleticfreak]

I’ll say this again. Never in the history of MESO has any burden of proof been on the member when posting concerns. The only time something like that would happen is if they were seeking a refund and the source wanted to verify the issue on their end as to not be scammed. That conversation would be private and only between the source and their customer, no mod and certainly not Millard have ever been involved in verification of claims in furtherance of protecting a source’s reputation. This board does not protect sources its purpose is harm reduction. Members here are not to be badgered and harassed about evidence to protect sources. That makes members less likely to post legitimate issues that would be useful information for the board. Every source claims this bullshit about competitor sabotage, you guys are just the first to believe it.

There’s a lot of knowledgeable guys here, but information about which needles you use and if primo lowers e, definitely don’t belong in a source thread. If you’re worried your source is going to be made to look bad by the red boxes maybe try reading the forum rules and posting things where they belong and the red boxes wouldn’t be necessary. Potential issues should ALWAYS be posted, it’s up to you to use your own judgement and discern what is of value and what should be ignored.

Well said

 

[Mr.AAJR]

I’ll say this again. Never in the history of MESO has any burden of proof been on the member when posting concerns.

In this particular instance, how does a source prove that there are not rubber cores in the customer's product?

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

 

[crispybacon!]

I’ll say this again. Never in the history of MESO has any burden of proof been on the member when posting concerns. The only time something like that would happen is if they were seeking a refund and the source wanted to verify the issue on their end as to not be scammed. That conversation would be private and only between the source and their customer, no mod and certainly not Millard have ever been involved in verification of claims in furtherance of protecting a source’s reputation. This board does not protect sources its purpose is harm reduction. Members here are not to be badgered and harassed about evidence to protect sources. That makes members less likely to post legitimate issues that would be useful information for the board. Every source claims this bullshit about competitor sabotage, you guys are just the first to believe it.

There’s a lot of knowledgeable guys here, but information about which needles you use and if primo lowers e, definitely don’t belong in a source thread. If you’re worried your source is going to be made to look bad by the red boxes maybe try reading the forum rules and posting things where they belong and the red boxes wouldn’t be necessary. Potential issues should ALWAYS be posted, it’s up to you to use your own judgement and discern what is of value and what should be ignored.

I could care less about the fate of this source and am not trying to protect/defend them, but I’m skeptical of any and all extreme claims.

Photos of rubber particles floating in oil and melted capsules should be easy to produce, if the claim is accurate. This evidence would go a long way in clearly illustrating the issue and convincing any skeptics, such as myself.

This is the equivalent of getting bad results from Jano and coming here and just saying the gear was bad without actually sharing the test results. If someone made that kind of claim without producing the proof of the failed test, no one would believe them.

 

[Dial It In]

I could care less about the fate of this source and am not trying to protect/defend them, but I’m skeptical of any and all extreme claims.

Photos of rubber particles floating in oil and melted capsules should be easy to produce, if the claim is accurate. This evidence would go a long way in clearly illustrating the issue and convincing any skeptics, such as myself.

This is the equivalent of getting bad results from Jano and coming here and just saying the gear was bad without actually sharing the test results. If someone made that kind of claim without producing the proof of the failed test, no one would believe them.

If the source doesn’t want to display lab pics due to OPSEC then neither should a member be obligated to show pics of product for their OPSEC. Everyone can decide for themselves. Everyone has made their decision it doesn’t matter what gets posted. Far fetched or legitimate it doesn’t matter. We already had pics of floaters and those got brushed off because it was old. Decisions have been made already. Really doesn’t matter what anyone post. Those that know the real story and history of this source before it showed up Meso know and those that don’t, don’t.

 

[crispybacon!]

If the source doesn’t want to display lab pics due to OPSEC then neither should a member be obligated to show pics of product for their OPSEC. Everyone can decide for themselves. Everyone has made their decision it doesn’t matter what gets posted. Far fetched or legitimate it doesn’t matter. We already had pics of floaters and those got brushed off because it was old. Decisions have been made already. Really doesn’t matter what anyone post. Those that know the real story and history of this source before it showed up Meso know and those that don’t, don’t.

If none of it matters, what are we doing here??

Vendors posting lab pics are neat and all, but most of us frankly don’t even know what we’re looking at. What matters more to me are test results (vendor raw and finish, 3rd party finished), and customer experience/quality claims with some reasonable evidence.

Going around saying this gear made my dick fall off doesn’t help anyone. I think we all remember KoreanGuy. Did any of us accept his various claims?

 

[Dial It In]

If none of it matters, what are we doing here??

Vendors posting lab pics are neat and all, but most of us frankly don’t even know what we’re looking at. What matters more to me are test results (vendor raw and finish, 3rd party finished), and customer experience/quality claims with some reasonable evidence.

Going around saying this gear made my dick fall off doesn’t help anyone. I think we all remember KoreanGuy. Did any of us accept his various claims?

Well most in here and gargling this sources nuts no matter what gets posted on testing. So yeah lots of members have given up. You notice that the long time respected members that know every aspect of AAS including brewing partake zero in this thread? They will in other threads though. There are new Meso things created because of shit going on in this source thread. Like I said if you know then you know. Now let us both stop contributing to the issue of burying source problems. Go create a thread if you want to discuss member and source obligations regarding evidence. I’m guilty of the shit too lately.

 

[desertwarrior]

You guys clearly didn’t understand me. It’s doesn’t matter what you find credible, and it doesn’t matter how the source verifies the issue on their end. Neither of those things are this boards issue to solve. You don’t get to come in as new members making demands. You’ll do as every other member has done here in the past and use your judgement on what you take seriously, which members are credible and which aren’t.

I understand we all want our hands held but that’s not going to happen here. The environment you are attempting to create is pro source and not pro member and that will not be tolerated. Learn to use your judgement when reading posts and stop white nighting for sources. Regardless of your reasoning these behaviors won’t be tolerated any longer.

In this particular instance, how does a source prove that there are not rubber cores in the customer's product?

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

I could care less about the fate of this source and am not trying to protect/defend them, but I’m skeptical of any and all extreme claims.

Photos of rubber particles floating in oil and melted capsules should be easy to produce, if the claim is accurate. This evidence would go a long way in clearly illustrating the issue and convincing any skeptics, such as myself.

This is the equivalent of getting bad results from Jano and coming here and just saying the gear was bad without actually sharing the test results. If someone made that kind of claim without producing the proof of the failed test, no one would believe them.