“THE” best guaranteed bulking stack

[BigDadd7]

Do you guys think 20-30mg trest E/week is "worth it" to add to a 300mg test cyp and 400mg EQ/week cycle?

No

 

[Sampei]

Do you guys think 20-30mg trest E/week is "worth it" to add to a 300mg test cyp and 400mg EQ/week cycle?

No, imho less than 100mg week of trest E kinda useless

 

[IndividualMan]

Do you guys think 20-30mg trest E/week is "worth it" to add to a 300mg test cyp and 400mg EQ/week cycle?

good question, if you already know your response and dont have massive sides you should probably ~2x-4x that dose. obviously work your way up 2-3 weeks at a time if you dont know your reaction to those dosages yet

 

[Jaxino]

As the title says, if you had to pick a combination of compounds and dosages to have the perfect bulk, force the most muscle growth, what would it be?

I’m in a very lucky situation where my training/food/sleep are 100% consistent everyday and I can keep it that way indefinitely, atleast for the next planned 40-50weeks.

Bloods are better than I was natural, and I get no sides.

Personally, I am running 825mg test e, 420 mast e, 800mg tren ace, 50mg anadrol, 12ius HGH. This stack has caused 0 issues so far, just the night sweats which don’t rly affect my sleep, I sleep like a baby for 9-11 hours.

Cuz honestly I have never tried eq/npp/ment/deca.

Cuz Test/Tren/Mast/GH seems as complete as it gets, but maybe I’m missing smth?
There is always insulin but I don’t rly want to mess with that rn.

But I wonder if I can improve.

Anyways, as the title says, sides/blood aside, what would your stack and doses be?

How can anyone even give him credit?
This post is complete nonsense.
Tren is not an effective compound for building quality mass. Well at least not at this absurd dose.
What I keep encountering are accounts from people who lack even a basic understanding of what it truly means to build muscle.
To remain lean while growing, one should aim to gain roughly 0.5% of body weight per week—yet here I see claims of progress ten times greater than Nick Walker’s, supposedly achieved through the most absurd drug combinations imaginable.

If the gear was the solution it would be really easy.

 

[Mfras]

How can anyone even give him credit?
This post is complete nonsense.
Tren is not an effective compound for building quality mass. Well at least not at this absurd dose.
What I keep encountering are accounts from people who lack even a basic understanding of what it truly means to build muscle.
To remain lean while growing, one should aim to gain roughly 0.5% of body weight per week—yet here I see claims of progress ten times greater than Nick Walker’s, supposedly achieved through the most absurd drug combinations imaginable.

If the gear was the solution it would be really easy.

I gain about 0.0008% on TRT working in the gym at a pace that keeps my tendons happy- averaging 0.18lbs/week FFM increase over the past year or so. On NPP with test base and some mast I can gain almost a pound a week FFM with increased volume for about 2 months before gains taper. That’s about 0.004%- just under your number which probably assumes a touch of fat to cut after coming off and consolidating. These % numbers are based on almost stage lean 8% bodyfat which I am not. I did the math based on my 213lb FFM but at 230 total. I’m currently on a cut and crossing from 15%bf to 14% under 250 total so I still have fat to burn for recomp, where a leaner person would need that .001% fat gain per week buffer to insure enough food is going in to grow but not spill.

Agreed that tren is a cosmetic compound not a mass builder- the aggression and cns could definitely help someone train harder and muscle can be built in a surplus with AR support, but the pumped up look fades in a way that it doesn’t as much on nandralone despite almost equal amounts of water coming on & off with both compounds- that quality muscle growth isn’t there with tren, at least for me.

Kinda thinking I’m not the one you were calling out, but my numbers line up with yours when I ran em. Curious where you got those numbers from- experience/reading or both?

 

[iudex]

No, imho less than 100mg week of trest E kinda useless

good question, if you already know your response and dont have massive sides you should probably ~2x-4x that dose. obviously work your way up 2-3 weeks at a time if you dont know your reaction to those dosages yet

I am also a bit torn. On the one hand, I think it makes absolutely sense to not stack too many compounds. Do the bare minimum and increase their dosages depending on blast / cruise. On the other hand, many compounds have unique effects that can be leveraged. If you add them continuously and slowly and bloodwork stays fine, is it really a problem to stack 4 compounds?

I am asking since I am currently running 350 mg test e, 200 mg EQ, 150 mg deca and everything feels great and fine. Bloodwork looks pristine. EQ used since I am a heavy aromatizer and don't want to use AI all the time, no sides to speak off (I went higher in the past, this is the E2 sweet spot at the T dose). Deca purely for joints.

However the stack above works well but something feels lacking to me. I don't have the same drive or feel like I am gaining the same amount compared to when I just ran 200 mg test e and 200 mg tren e.

Because of that, I am considering adding Trest to the mix out of curiosity mainly as I like to experiment (I do very regular bloodwork).

Am I being stupid here or what do y'all think?

 

[Sampei]

I am also a bit torn. On the one hand, I think it makes absolutely sense to not stack too many compounds. Do the bare minimum and increase their dosages depending on blast / cruise. On the other hand, many compounds have unique effects that can be leveraged. If you add them continuously and slowly and bloodwork stays fine, is it really a problem to stack 4 compounds?

I am asking since I am currently running 350 mg test e, 200 mg EQ, 150 mg deca and everything feels great and fine. Bloodwork looks pristine. EQ used since I am a heavy aromatizer and don't want to use AI all the time, no sides to speak off (I went higher in the past, this is the E2 sweet spot at the T dose). Deca purely for joints.

However the stack above works well but something feels lacking to me. I don't have the same drive or feel like I am gaining the same amount compared to when I just ran 200 mg test e and 200 mg tren e.

Because of that, I am considering adding Trest to the mix out of curiosity mainly as I like to experiment (I do very regular bloodwork).

Am I being stupid here or what do y'all think?

Mate try and see. Everyone react differently.

My last cycles was 6 substances + prewo injectables. I loved it.

 

[iudex]

Mate try and see. Everyone react differently.

My last cycles was 6 substances + prewo injectables. I loved it.

Adjusting to the MENT will certainly be a task, although I didn't even have any sides on super high E2. But the interaction between EQ and MENT will be annoying to dial in, I suppose.

Also, may I ask what you were stacking and why you added which compound? Also would you consider running the same stack / stacks again or do you now prefer a "learner" approach?

 

[erk253]

Currently running weekly test cyp, npp, hgh daily, just dropped Mast prop out after 10 weeks. I Plan on running this stack another 10 weeks.

 

[Sampei]

Adjusting to the MENT will certainly be a task, although I didn't even have any sides on super high E2. But the interaction between EQ and MENT will be annoying to dial in, I suppose.

Also, may I ask what you were stacking and why you added which compound? Also would you consider running the same stack / stacks again or do you now prefer a "learner" approach?

Disclaimer: I'm a drug addict and surely need half of what I take to be honest, but I just like it and so well I do it.. Don't follow my example. Average physique for what I inject. However the small dosages multi subsyance approach I find it great. So halve what I did and it should be a healthy great cycle

I'll probably do that stack again bevause i really liked it.

Run: Test U - NPP - Ment A - Tren A - EQ - Mast E

I'll next time run: Test U - Deca - EQ - Mast E - estradiol cyp - very low tren E after I have dialed in ecyp

Mind you the dosages were average

All weekly dosages

Test U 300mg
EQ 500mg
Mast E 400mg
Tren A 140/100mg
Deca 400mg
Ment A 210mg

Mostly deca trest the main drive, EQ for E2 control, masteron... Don't know because I can lol, tren because It's tren, test U is my "TRT" dosage I always have it.

Next I want to try no trest higher EQ and use estradiol. Cyp to keep my E2 in range.

Trest was perfect to keep my E2 balanced with 500mg EQ.

If I had to change something... I wouldn't do tren and trest together. Seems maybe waste... they are both hyper androgenic anabolic.

Probably trest on bulk and tren on a cut? Don't know I'm still debating if is worth running them together or not.

 

[Deadpool99]

Disclaimer: I'm a drug addict and surely need half of what I take to be honest, but I just like it and so well I do it.. Don't follow my example. Average physique for what I inject. However the small dosages multi subsyance approach I find it great. So halve what I did and it should be a healthy great cycle

I can relate. Drug addict as well, but I only inject what I can handle as long as bloods are kept clean.

 

[Sampei]

I can relate. Drug addict as well, but I only inject what I can handle as long as bloods are kept clean.

Oh yeah my bloods were perfect on that blast, I'm not reckless fae from it. I was just pointing out that I'm quite sure I don't need 2g of total gear to grow xD

I just like the whole inject this inject that

 

[iudex]

Disclaimer: I'm a drug addict and surely need half of what I take to be honest, but I just like it and so well I do it.. Don't follow my example. Average physique for what I inject. However the small dosages multi subsyance approach I find it great. So halve what I did and it should be a healthy great cycle

Good disclaimer, I would hope people on this forum wouldn't just blindly copy dosages though as there's large individual differences. I was more so interested in what you were stacking and the reason why. It goes without saying that dosages would be adjusted to my tolerances / liking.

I'll next time run: Test U - Deca - EQ - Mast E - estradiol cyp - very low tren E after I have dialed in ecyp

Mostly deca trest the main drive, EQ for E2 control, masteron... Don't know because I can lol, tren because It's tren, test U is my "TRT" dosage I always have it.

Next I want to try no trest higher EQ and use estradiol. Cyp to keep my E2 in range.

Trest was perfect to keep my E2 balanced with 500mg EQ.

If I had to change something... I wouldn't do tren and trest together. Seems maybe waste... they are both hyper androgenic anabolic.

Probably trest on bulk and tren on a cut? Don't know I'm still debating if is worth running them together or not.

Sounds roughly like what I am envisioning, but certainly not three 19-nors lol. Why the Test U though? Pinning frequency? And isn't skipping the estradiol cyp and lowing EQ smarter, if you want to cut the trest?

 

[Sampei]

Good disclaimer, I would hope people on this forum wouldn't just blindly copy dosages though as there's large individual differences. I was more so interested in what you were stacking and the reason why. It goes without saying that dosages would be adjusted to my tolerances / liking.

Sounds roughly like what I am envisioning, but certainly not three 19-nors lol. Why the Test U though? Pinning frequency? And isn't skipping the estradiol cyp and lowing EQ smarter, if you want to cut the trest?

I don't get typical sides from 19Nors so I can blast them as I wish, I don't get gyno either so trest doesn't create issue to me as I don't really need to have E2 perfectly in range can be a little bit here and there no issue whatsoever.

Test U because I don't like to pin and if I go on holidays I just pin twice the doaage and I'm good for 2 weeks.

As it takes a lot to saturate your levels with undecaonate I can't stop or switch my test during blast so I always have 300mg test U and if I want more test I just add on top of it another ester.

I like EQ I don't want a lower dosage, It just murders my E2 so I need something that fixes it, trest does it well but estradiol Cyp works great too.

Disregarding the dosages that as you said are personal, the logic behind my cycle is this: I believe there is threshold where any substance will give you a diminishing return and more sides then benefit.

So my idea is that is better to run 2G of total AAS of 6 different substances than 2G of total AAS from just two substance.

Because you are synergizing all different compounds vs just pushing two high and risking the diminishing return + sides effect of the single high dosage.

Basically I believe you get more sides with 1.4G of test and 600mg of Deca or amy high similar combo of two substances up to 2G or more total AAS compared to 4 substances at 500mg each or even 6 at even lower.

 

[rmhla]

I am also a bit torn. On the one hand, I think it makes absolutely sense to not stack too many compounds. Do the bare minimum and increase their dosages depending on blast / cruise. On the other hand, many compounds have unique effects that can be leveraged. If you add them continuously and slowly and bloodwork stays fine, is it really a problem to stack 4 compounds?

I am asking since I am currently running 350 mg test e, 200 mg EQ, 150 mg deca and everything feels great and fine. Bloodwork looks pristine. EQ used since I am a heavy aromatizer and don't want to use AI all the time, no sides to speak off (I went higher in the past, this is the E2 sweet spot at the T dose). Deca purely for joints.

However the stack above works well but something feels lacking to me. I don't have the same drive or feel like I am gaining the same amount compared to when I just ran 200 mg test e and 200 mg tren e.

Because of that, I am considering adding Trest to the mix out of curiosity mainly as I like to experiment (I do very regular bloodwork).

Am I being stupid here or what do y'all think?

Deca 150 is nothing for joints.. I mean atleast 300

 

[xrayphoton13]

I gain about 0.0008% on TRT working in the gym at a pace that keeps my tendons happy- averaging 0.18lbs/week FFM increase over the past year or so. On NPP with test base and some mast I can gain almost a pound a week FFM with increased volume for about 2 months before gains taper. That’s about 0.004%- just under your number which probably assumes a touch of fat to cut after coming off and consolidating. These % numbers are based on almost stage lean 8% bodyfat which I am not. I did the math based on my 213lb FFM but at 230 total. I’m currently on a cut and crossing from 15%bf to 14% under 250 total so I still have fat to burn for recomp, where a leaner person would need that .001% fat gain per week buffer to insure enough food is going in to grow but not spill.

Agreed that tren is a cosmetic compound not a mass builder- the aggression and cns could definitely help someone train harder and muscle can be built in a surplus with AR support, but the pumped up look fades in a way that it doesn’t as much on nandralone despite almost equal amounts of water coming on & off with both compounds- that quality muscle growth isn’t there with tren, at least for me.

Kinda thinking I’m not the one you were calling out, but my numbers line up with yours when I ran em. Curious where you got those numbers from- experience/reading or both?

I'm pretty sure tren builds muscle better than most steroids my man. It's got the strongest AR binding affinity of them all.

 

[IndividualMan]

Oh yeah my bloods were perfect on that blast, I'm not reckless fae from it. I was just pointing out that I'm quite sure I don't need 2g of total gear to grow xD

I just like the whole inject this inject that

Do you use those big ass 3ml barrels while on blast? I was looking into maybe expanding my syringe stash to include 2ml syringes (3ml size but only marked until the second ml) and felt like the man, but 3ml pins are kind of a lot of tension on injection site for me unless I am pinning deep IM, but for that I need 25G 1-1.5in needles which probably causes too much scarring in the long run.
Do you have a rule of thumb for when to do more injection days VS more mls per pin? Or do you just go off vibes

 

[Deadpool99]

Do you use those big ass 3ml barrels while on blast? I was looking into maybe expanding my syringe stash to include 2ml syringes (3ml size but only marked until the second ml) and felt like the man, but 3ml pins are kind of a lot of tension on injection site for me unless I am pinning deep IM, but for that I need 25G 1-1.5in needles which probably causes too much scarring in the long run.
Do you have a rule of thumb for when to do more injection days VS more mls per pin? Or do you just go off vibes

I do 3+ ml injections 4x a week in my glutes. Some ppl ik can’t handle high volume. If I had to pick it would be less frequency and higher volume, as my thoughts are:

• Too much volume per site = more acute pain, worst case u get lumps
• Too much frequency = chronic irritation, scar tissue

Chronic issues are harder to reverse.

My mistake was stacking up on tren ace cuz I pussied out and didn’t go tren e. Now I have to finish it before switching to tren e. So I gotta do 3.8ml injections. Literally switch barrels while the needle is inside. 1.1 ml test + 0.7ml mast in a barrel and 2ml tren (200mg x 4 injection per week) in a barrel

 

[rmhla]

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I do 3+ ml injections 4x a week in my glutes. Some ppl ik can’t handle high volume. If I had to pick it would be less frequency and higher volume, as my thoughts are:

• Too much volume per site = more acute pain, worst case u get lumps
• Too much frequency = chronic irritation, scar tissue

Chronic issues are harder to reverse.

My mistake was stacking up on tren ace cuz I pussied out and didn’t go tren e. Now I have to finish it before switching to tren e. So I gotta do 3.8ml injections. Literally switch barrels while the needle is inside. 1.1 ml test + 0.7ml mast in a barrel and 2ml tren (200mg x 4 injection per week) in a barrel

Just use 25 with 3ml barrel. Inject everyday alternating glutes and hammies

 

[Sampei]

Do you use those big ass 3ml barrels while on blast? I was looking into maybe expanding my syringe stash to include 2ml syringes (3ml size but only marked until the second ml) and felt like the man, but 3ml pins are kind of a lot of tension on injection site for me unless I am pinning deep IM, but for that I need 25G 1-1.5in needles which probably causes too much scarring in the long run.
Do you have a rule of thumb for when to do more injection days VS more mls per pin? Or do you just go off vibes

I use all. High concentration gear so no need for 3ml. Barrels even so I do have them.

Last blast was:
1ml test U
1ml EQ
2ml NPP
2ml ment A
1.5ml Tren A
1ml Masteron E

Tren ment and NPP were done daily

Masteron EQ 0.5ml each and test U 1ml together on Monday and Thursday I was doing 0.5 each of EQ abd mast E.

3ml once in a while is fine all the time no thank you. I prede to do 1ml x3 in three different spot if I have to.

Or 2ml and 1ml in two spot