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Chrispy62

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I’m thinking of my second cycle that I want to take. My first cycle was 700 mg testosterone for 16 weeks and 20mg anavar for the last 8 weeks.

I was thinking of a 20 week cycle doing 700mg test again with primo, but I’ve been reading a lot about deca and its muscle packing ability. So I was thinking of doing something like 700 test, 300 primo 300 deca, thoughts?

I barely had any side effects from my first cycle and learned that I don’t sromatise much so I barely needed any AI, so that’s why I’m kind of afraid of running primo any higher. Not sure about the ratios or if I should just take it one at a time, potentially primo for first 10 weeks to assess my sides, then add the deca for last 10?
 
Chrispy62 said:
I’m thinking of my second cycle that I want to take. My first cycle was 700 mg testosterone for 16 weeks and 20mg anavar for the last 8 weeks.

I was thinking of a 20 week cycle doing 700mg test again with primo, but I’ve been reading a lot about deca and its muscle packing ability. So I was thinking of doing something like 700 test, 300 primo 300 deca, thoughts?

I barely had any side effects from my first cycle and learned that I don’t sromatise much so I barely needed any AI, so that’s why I’m kind of afraid of running primo any higher. Not sure about the ratios or if I should just take it one at a time, potentially primo for first 10 weeks to assess my sides, then add the deca for last 10?
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sounds like you haven’t run primo before. How did you determine that you don’t aromatize much? The most prudent thing would be to run test and primo at the dosages you mentioned for 5 weeks then check your ultrasensitive estrogen levels. If it’s where you’d like it to be you can add deca or NPP at the dosage you suggested. Deca would likely stretch your cycle to 24 weeks. NPP can easily add at any time and run for as long as needed. You dont want to be running nandrolone with high estrogen. And you dont want your estrogen smashed for any reason. And since you dont know what your appropriate primo to test ratio is for the desired E2 level, best to square that away first. Once that’s done, yes, test with primo or Masteron and nandrolone is a fantastic combo. I’m running it now myself.
 
RockyP said:
sounds like you haven’t run primo before. How did you determine that you don’t aromatize much? The most prudent thing would be to run test and primo at the dosages you mentioned for 5 weeks then check your ultrasensitive estrogen levels. If it’s where you’d like it to be you can add deca or NPP at the dosage you suggested. Deca would likely stretch your cycle to 24 weeks. NPP can easily add at any time and run for as long as needed. You dont want to be running nandrolone with high estrogen. And you dont want your estrogen smashed for any reason. And since you dont know what your appropriate primo to test ratio is for the desired E2 level, best to square that away first. Once that’s done, yes, test with primo or Masteron and nandrolone is a fantastic combo. I’m running it now myself.
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I haven’t, I started running low dose 150mg of mast for my cruise after my first blast, but had a mini blood test that showed low SHBG so I’ve just switched it out for 100mg primo 2 weeks ago.

So for my blast, I never had any high e2 side effects at all, libido was decent, no acne, no oily skin, no mood changes, and I took blood tests throughout my blast and they all came back with high ish e2 but I basically took barely any AI throughout and this was on 700mg test. So I don’t feel like I need primo to be a strong AI
 
Chrispy62 said:
I haven’t, I started running low dose 150mg of mast for my cruise after my first blast, but had a mini blood test that showed low SHBG so I’ve just switched it out for 100mg primo 2 weeks ago.

So for my blast, I never had any high e2 side effects at all, libido was decent, no acne, no oily skin, no mood changes, and I took blood tests throughout my blast and they all came back with high ish e2 but I basically took barely any AI throughout and this was on 700mg test. So I don’t feel like I need primo to be a strong AI
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Ok so without the proper labs you’re flying blind. Whether or not you feel like you need primo to be an AI is irrelevant. The world is full of guys who ran primo and it crashed their estrogen, which itself an awful feeling and not healthy for your joints, lipids, or tissue growth. If you want to go by feelz that’s your call but it’s very suboptimal and if / when you run into side effects you’ll have no idea what’s going on
 
RockyP said:
Ok so without the proper labs you’re flying blind. Whether or not you feel like you need primo to be an AI is irrelevant. The world is full of guys who ran primo and it crashed their estrogen, which itself an awful feeling and not healthy for your joints, lipids, or tissue growth. If you want to go by feelz that’s your call but it’s very suboptimal and if / when you run into side effects you’ll have no idea what’s going on
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Oh some misunderstanding… I’m all for testing and I had taken bloods regularly throughout my first cycle. And I always plan on a full blood panel test at the start, midway, and end of cycle. My e2 was quite high when I did 700mg T per week, but I had no side effects. With my bloods being fine on 700mg test, I guess my post was if this stack as a second cycle is optimal and likely not to screw my bloods much more than my first T only cycle
 
Chrispy62 said:
Oh some misunderstanding… I’m all for testing and I had taken bloods regularly throughout my first cycle. And I always plan on a full blood panel test at the start, midway, and end of cycle. My e2 was quite high when I did 700mg T per week, but I had no side effects. With my bloods being fine on 700mg test, I guess my post was if this stack as a second cycle is optimal and likely not to screw my bloods much more than my first T only cycle
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Ahhh. Ok. Sorry about that it makes more sense. How high was the E2? If it was under 80-100 and you felt fine then it might be fine for you. I would definitely still check your labs 4-5 weeks into primo to make sure E2 isn’t too low
 
RockyP said:
Ahhh. Ok. Sorry about that it makes more sense. How high was the E2? If it was under 80-100 and you felt fine then it might be fine for you. I would definitely still check your labs 4-5 weeks into primo to make sure E2 isn’t too low
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No worries! Should’ve probably put my blood results in the post in the first place.

So my total t was 5600 and my e2 was 100 pg/ml so it was high but I didn’t have any side effects apart from shit sleep and some water retention. That was with 6.25mg aromasin every 2 weeks too.

Definitely plan on doing tests with the primo, do you think it’s worth adding the 300mg of NPP or deca too?
 
I’m finishing up week 3 of 12 running 500 / 300 / 200. Test / NPP / Primo. Second cycle. So far so good. Strength and weight are creeping up nicely. Also running 6iu HGH. My blood pressure stays on point year round. Moved my HGH from morning to before bed and have noticed my FBG has been over 100 the last few days. Will monitor that and adjust accordingly. Good luck to you.
 
Landlocked said:
I’m finishing up week 3 of 12 running 500 / 300 / 200. Test / NPP / Primo. Second cycle. So far so good. Strength and weight are creeping up nicely. Also running 6iu HGH. My blood pressure stays on point year round. Moved my HGH from morning to before bed and have noticed my FBG has been over 100 the last few days. Will monitor that and adjust accordingly. Good luck to you.
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Oh sick that’s almost identical to what I was sorta planning, saw a lot about NPP being less side effects and easier to manage vs deca too. Also running 6 IUs! But I split 3 am and 3pm, any reason why you do one big dose? My FBG is like 45 which is middle of range luckily, split dosing could potentially reduce yours?
 
I’ve just been trying it different ways and monitoring the results. Splitting the dose up seems to work best to minimize CT and water retention issues for me. I just recently picked up this glucose monitor and have been going crazy with it. I was pre diabetic when I started TRT last year at 5.7 A1C. My pre cycle bloods are sitting at 5.3 now.
 
Yeah glucose monitor is a good Idea, I’m also getting my HbA1c blood done next week to see consistent glucose levels, could also be good to test. You on reta too? That could help with insulin sensitivity cause I plan on low dosing that too throughout cycle
 
Chrispy62 said:
No worries! Should’ve probably put my blood results in the post in the first place.

So my total t was 5600 and my e2 was 100 pg/ml so it was high but I didn’t have any side effects apart from shit sleep and some water retention. That was with 6.25mg aromasin every 2 weeks too.

Definitely plan on doing tests with the primo, do you think it’s worth adding the 300mg of NPP or deca too?
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I think 350 primo would work well with that level of test.
 
Chrispy62 said:
Yeah glucose monitor is a good Idea, I’m also getting my HbA1c blood done next week to see consistent glucose levels, could also be good to test. You on reta too? That could help with insulin sensitivity cause I plan on low dosing that too throughout cycle
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I was on Reta since last March. Dropped it when I started this cycle. After meals my BG settles down to below 90 within an hour and a half or so. Will keep monitoring. I do love Reta.
 
I meant to elaborate on the above post but got disconnected.

The best results and PRs i hit were in my late 30s and early 40s with lower doses of drugs. (500mg test 200/200 deca primo respectively)
Training fully dialed in and running proper trt, as with any controlled study, when you begin a blast you can really notice every improvement because every calorie is accounted for and pre-blast every day at the gym is just a mundane routine. Without proper structure the results from each blast are harder to define.

In my 20s my cycles were heavier and mostly based upon the advice of those around me. My diet and training were not as well structured so contest results reflected my lack of steady progression. I looked huge and gained a lot of praise and the attention i suppose i was seeking at the time but looking back I could have achieved a lot more with better meal prepping and a more educated approach. Aside from the general check your E2 advice I would say the dosages are fully dependent on your goals and if you aren't planning on competing in any upcoming contests and aren't setting well structured short term goals, dial things down and think about what you really hope to achieve with your physique. Once you have legitimate and logical goals then your planning your cycle dosages accordingly is simpler.
 
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