E2 in Range But Joints and Tendons FUBAR

[adrenalytic]

I'll start by saying I'm in cycle transition. Meaning I have discontinued the main compound I was running (DHB) but only 2 days ago so I'll be dealing with it for a few more weeks. I've also added microdose of tren E at 50mg/week which I just started so no saturation yet.

So full cycle looks like this:

210 mg Test E
400 mg DHB
50mg Tren E
25 mg Anavar PWO only.

Been running everything but the tren for 12 weeks.

It's been a great cycle but I'm ready to end it. Blood work looks great but I'm just exhausted and enflamed. Need a chill.

Anyway, to the point. My E2 is 22.7 pg/mL which is in normal range but I've very recently started getting elbow and stabilizer muscle pain on heavy benches. Don't really feel it on like 225 but when I push up to 315 I have to quit not because I'm tired but because the elbows joints, biceps and triceps start burning. Maybe burning isn't the best word. More like electrified. Like an irritating current that I only feel on the eccentric part of the lift. Anyway, I can't get to failure without being in unnecessary discomfort.

Could this be too low E2 for the amount of weight I'm pressing? Or does it sound like something else? I have some DHEA, preg and HCG on hand but don't wanna start popping shit willy nilly. I've also increased my test to 300 but that's gonna take a few more weeks to saturate. Would like to hear yalls feedback. Appreciate you.

 

[BALLISTIC]

What you’re describing is almost exactly what I went through when my E2 was “normal” on bloodwork but functionally too low for the compounds I was running. It wasn’t the number on paper, it was how my body was responding under load. Does it feel neuro? Like deep in the tissue, minor weakness feeling. Maybe even achy?

The burning/electrical feeling in the elbows, biceps, tris on the eccentric… that’s classic drybcompound, low-functional-E2 stuff. DHB is dry, and even a microdose of tren shifts the balance way harder than people expect. On paper your E2 looks fine, but for the stack you’re on, 22 pg/mL will feel way too low for heavy 300+ bench presses. Neuro electric?

Light weight feels normal, heavy sets feel like the tendons and stabilizers are pissed off? That’s exactly how mine reacted. It’s not fatigue, it’s not muscle failure, it’s that irritated connective tissue feedback that only shows up on the heavier reps.

It’s basically the same phenomenon guys get with EQ when their E2 looks okay but isn’t “functional” enough for the stress they’re putting through the joints. DHB, low end E2, even a little tren will equal dry, irritated stabilizers.

The good news is it’s not some mystery injury. Once the dry compounds taper out or estrogen comes up a bit relative to the androgens, the joints calm down fast. Mine disappeared almost overnight once the ratio shifted. I tested this by feeling great for 2 weeks then hit myself with the loaded cycle once again. It came back almost immediately.

Not telling you to take anything, just saying the symptoms line up perfectly with the androgen to E2 balance being off for the amount of weight you’re pressing. A little time and adjusting the ratio usually fixes it.

I'm a firm believer as androgens increase E should reasonably replicate, obviously absent negative E sides. Everyone has a threshold if that makes sense.

Fckd up beyond all recognition. Rah

 

[adrenalytic]

Does it feel neuro? Like deep in the tissue, minor weakness feeling. Maybe even achy?

Bro a hundred times all of this! This is exactly how I feel. The rest of your post is spot fucking on lol.

I been meaning to nudge the old baby factory with some HCG. This might be the perfect time to reintroduce it. Thanks a ton for your reply, so fucking accurate.

 

[BALLISTIC]

No problem dude, this is how we learn. In ignorance I dragged mine out via ego and attempted the push through mentality. Eventually I lost.

It gets worse before it gets worse... So jump to fixing it rapidly and feel better.

I lost motivation at one point to even lift. Seemed like it tracked through my whole body as time went on.

Transpired into a fatigue feeling and achy all the time. I won't get into how long I pushed it as it will seem ignorant.

I dropped the compounds I determined responsible and upped those with rapid aromatization. I felt better instantly.

Def boost your E2. Strangely enough I'm finding a higher E ratio is beneficial depending the cycle.

 

[adrenalytic]

No problem dude, this is how we learn. In ignorance I dragged mine out via ego and attempted the push through mentality. Eventually I lost.

It gets worse before it gets worse... So jump to fixing it rapidly and feel better.

I lost motivation at one point to even lift. Seemed like it tracked through my whole body as time went on.

Transpired into a fatigue feeling and achy all the time. I won't get into how long I pushed it as it will seem ignorant.

I dropped the compounds I prescribed responsible and upped those with rapid aromatization. I felt better instantly.

Ya Imma reconstitute the HCG tonight so I can pin it tomorrow which is also my next test shot and I might throw in 25mg DHEA just to kickstart it. Def learned something here.