Can't stand high Test, and looking for Deca/npp alternative for hypertrophy

[juicebro]

Because it is in range. E2 is dialed in so that's not it.

Did you take AIs to keep it there? I don't think it has to be in range when your test is sky high.

 

[PnkCy]

Did you take AIs to keep it there? I don't think it has to be in range when your test is sky high.

Yes I had to take ai during some cycles. Rn with eq I don't need

 

[demon]

Most guys assume taking high-dose testosterone is easy just because it’s “bio-identical,” but that’s not how the body works. Plenty of men feel great on TRT-level doses and feel terrible when they push into bodybuilding-level doses, and that doesn’t mean anything is wrong with them, it simply means their body isn’t built to handle supraphysiological hormone levels. High-dose testosterone can cause side effects like acne, hair loss, mood swings, high blood pressure, high hematocrit, prostate irritation, or estrogen problems, and those issues vary wildly from person to person. For the average guy, the smart approach is to find the dose where you feel good, stay healthy, and function well, not the dose someone on the internet says you “should” handle. No one gets bonus points for suffering through negative side effects, and being unable to tolerate high doses doesn’t mean you’re weak it just means your endocrine system has limits like everyone else’s.

 

[Gjl1020]

I'm also prone to mental sides. Some of these guys are tough as rocks all the way to the core. They'll endure all that as a trade off throughout a whole cycle to reach their goals. Others just don't seem bothered by it in that regard. We're all different.

I settled for just blasting and cruising Test. 150mg/250mg, and I'm happy with the results. But I'm not after that huge physique either. Being lean with visible muscles and veins and being strong enough to outperform at work with minimal soreness is great for me.

 

[wp_375]

125mg of Test plus titrate up as much EQ/Mast/Primo as you can tolerate. Add exogenous E2 if EQ/Primo/Mast bottom out your E2.

I don't really see any other options available to you other than just doing TRT and adding some kind of non aromatizing oral like Anadrol/Anavar/Turinabol.

 

[Maiandros88]

I've been on 4 bulking cycles and I have been trying to find the perfect protocol to steadily increase my androgen load and gains in general. But I face two issues, and they don't seem to be common has everybody else seems to be doing just fine.

Firstly, my body can't stand 500mg test weekly. Any more than 250 and I get severely depressed. And no, it's not e2 or prolactine. Even in range. Just test alone at higher dose makes me wanna kms. So I have been constrained to a max of 250mg test for my bulking cycles... Which is kinda lame. And even at 250mg I don't feel so great. 125 is perfect and what I consider trt for me.
Here's my bloodwork at 250mg
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(Note there's a threshold that couldn't be tested)
Free test:
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So I have been looking for alternatives for hypertrophy. If I can't increase test, then I should rely on other compounds.

But then comes the second problem : I can't stand deca or npp either. Even just 200mg npp weekly makes me feel like I lose some IQ points. I feel dumber. And on higher dose it's depression again.

Then I found out trest which is holy heck amazing af. Blew me up like crazy in just a few weeks. At just 10mg daily. But it gives me tities... And also I can't stay on it for too long because depression starts creeping in, even with E2 fucking dialed.

So uh what the heck am I supposed to do. At this point I'm not even sure bulking at 250mg test is worth the implications.
Currently the best combination I found is 250mg test, 500 EQ and 10mg daily dbol. (E2 wise I am ok)

I am thinking of removing my glands so I could enjoy trest and find a protocol that doesn't cause depression.

Any thoughts?

If testosterone make you feel bad, nandrolones will totally fuck you … just stay natural and enjoy life, aas it’s not for you

 

[BabaJagga]

The other potential protocol I thought about is to bet everything on EQ since it's the only compound (with mast) that doesn't give me any mental side. I don't get high hematocrit from it as well. Was thinking maybe 750 or even 1g. But I'd need more e2 to offset the AI effect. I can't get that from more test so I was thinking of increasing dbol dose but orals at such dose aren't sustainable for a whole bulking cycle.

very low dose test for basic functions + injectable e2 + high eq?

look for user here, para_33 i think. he shared his way with injectable estrogen and got great results.

 

[TorrentialGlacier]

very low dose test for basic functions + injectable e2 + high eq?

Exactly what I was thinking. I am planning to try a cycle like this next year as an experiment. Planning 150mg test, 600 EQ, 1mg estradiol valerate.

 

[BabaJagga]

Exactly what I was thinking. I am planning to try a cycle like this next year as an experiment. Planning 150mg test, 600 EQ, 1mg estradiol valerate.

i think he went even lower with test, like 50mg or so? idk, there is long thread about it.
everybody was like "why would you do that" until he posted his 3 year transformation, guy went from coat holder to absolute unit.

 

[ManK]

I've been on 4 bulking cycles and I have been trying to find the perfect protocol to steadily increase my androgen load and gains in general. But I face two issues, and they don't seem to be common has everybody else seems to be doing just fine.

Firstly, my body can't stand 500mg test weekly. Any more than 250 and I get severely depressed. And no, it's not e2 or prolactine. Even in range. Just test alone at higher dose makes me wanna kms. So I have been constrained to a max of 250mg test for my bulking cycles... Which is kinda lame. And even at 250mg I don't feel so great. 125 is perfect and what I consider trt for me.
Here's my bloodwork at 250mg
View attachment 364355
(Note there's a threshold that couldn't be tested)
Free test:
View attachment 364356

So I have been looking for alternatives for hypertrophy. If I can't increase test, then I should rely on other compounds.

But then comes the second problem : I can't stand deca or npp either. Even just 200mg npp weekly makes me feel like I lose some IQ points. I feel dumber. And on higher dose it's depression again.

Then I found out trest which is holy heck amazing af. Blew me up like crazy in just a few weeks. At just 10mg daily. But it gives me tities... And also I can't stay on it for too long because depression starts creeping in, even with E2 fucking dialed.

So uh what the heck am I supposed to do. At this point I'm not even sure bulking at 250mg test is worth the implications.
Currently the best combination I found is 250mg test, 500 EQ and 10mg daily dbol. (E2 wise I am ok)

I am thinking of removing my glands so I could enjoy trest and find a protocol that doesn't cause depression.

Any thoughts?

all this is absolutely ridicule

 

[TorrentialGlacier]

i think he went even lower with test, like 50mg or so? idk, there is long thread about it.
everybody was like "why would you do that" until he posted his 3 year transformation, guy went from coat holder to absolute unit.

thats awesome, got a link to the thread by chance?

 

[BabaJagga]

thats awesome, got a link to the thread by chance?

sorry, no. you have to look for it. para_33

 

[PnkCy]

very low dose test for basic functions + injectable e2 + high eq?

look for user here, para_33 i think. he shared his way with injectable estrogen and got great results.

Indeed, injectable e2 could be more interesting than hcg for stable levels.

 

[BabaJagga]

Indeed, injectable e2 could be more interesting than hcg for stable levels.

if i remember correctly, you cant crash estrogen that you inject. even letro/primo etc wont work on that cause it didnt came from aromatize
so you have to find your dose of estradiol that works for you and use pther anabolic that you can tolerate the best and crank it up.