Can't stand high Test, and looking for Deca/npp alternative for hypertrophy

[PnkCy]

I've been on 4 bulking cycles and I have been trying to find the perfect protocol to steadily increase my androgen load and gains in general. But I face two issues, and they don't seem to be common has everybody else seems to be doing just fine.

Firstly, my body can't stand 500mg test weekly. Any more than 250 and I get severely depressed. And no, it's not e2 or prolactine. Even in range. Just test alone at higher dose makes me wanna kms. So I have been constrained to a max of 250mg test for my bulking cycles... Which is kinda lame. And even at 250mg I don't feel so great. 125 is perfect and what I consider trt for me.
Here's my bloodwork at 250mg

(Note there's a threshold that couldn't be tested)
Free test:


So I have been looking for alternatives for hypertrophy. If I can't increase test, then I should rely on other compounds.

But then comes the second problem : I can't stand deca or npp either. Even just 200mg npp weekly makes me feel like I lose some IQ points. I feel dumber. And on higher dose it's depression again.

Then I found out trest which is holy heck amazing af. Blew me up like crazy in just a few weeks. At just 10mg daily. But it gives me tities... And also I can't stay on it for too long because depression starts creeping in, even with E2 fucking dialed.

So uh what the heck am I supposed to do. At this point I'm not even sure bulking at 250mg test is worth the implications.
Currently the best combination I found is 250mg test, 500 EQ and 10mg daily dbol. (E2 wise I am ok)

I am thinking of removing my glands so I could enjoy trest and find a protocol that doesn't cause depression.

Any thoughts?

 

[TTren]

I've been on 4 bulking cycles and I have been trying to find the perfect protocol to steadily increase my androgen load and gains in general. But I face two issues, and they don't seem to be common has everybody else seems to be doing just fine.

Firstly, my body can't stand 500mg test weekly. Any more than 250 and I get severely depressed. And no, it's not e2 or prolactine. Even in range. Just test alone at higher dose makes me wanna kms. So I have been constrained to a max of 250mg test for my bulking cycles... Which is kinda lame. And even at 250mg I don't feel so great. 125 is perfect and what I consider trt for me.
Here's my bloodwork at 250mg
View attachment 364355
(Note there's a threshold that couldn't be tested)
Free test:
View attachment 364356

So I have been looking for alternatives for hypertrophy. If I can't increase test, then I should rely on other compounds.

But then comes the second problem : I can't stand deca or npp either. Even just 200mg npp weekly makes me feel like I lose some IQ points. I feel dumber. And on higher dose it's depression again.

Then I found out trest which is holy heck amazing af. Blew me up like crazy in just a few weeks. At just 10mg daily. But it gives me tities... And also I can't stay on it for too long because depression starts creeping in, even with E2 fucking dialed.

So uh what the heck am I supposed to do. At this point I'm not even sure bulking at 250mg test is worth the implications.
Currently the best combination I found is 250mg test, 500 EQ and 10mg daily dbol. (E2 wise I am ok)

I am thinking of removing my glands so I could enjoy trest and find a protocol that doesn't cause depression.

Any thoughts?

trt dose of test add some tren and eq maybe some adrol or dbol

 

[BlackVeil]

I've been on 4 bulking cycles and I have been trying to find the perfect protocol to steadily increase my androgen load and gains in general. But I face two issues, and they don't seem to be common has everybody else seems to be doing just fine.

Firstly, my body can't stand 500mg test weekly. Any more than 250 and I get severely depressed. And no, it's not e2 or prolactine. Even in range. Just test alone at higher dose makes me wanna kms. So I have been constrained to a max of 250mg test for my bulking cycles... Which is kinda lame. And even at 250mg I don't feel so great. 125 is perfect and what I consider trt for me.
Here's my bloodwork at 250mg
View attachment 364355
(Note there's a threshold that couldn't be tested)
Free test:
View attachment 364356

So I have been looking for alternatives for hypertrophy. If I can't increase test, then I should rely on other compounds.

But then comes the second problem : I can't stand deca or npp either. Even just 200mg npp weekly makes me feel like I lose some IQ points. I feel dumber. And on higher dose it's depression again.

Then I found out trest which is holy heck amazing af. Blew me up like crazy in just a few weeks. At just 10mg daily. But it gives me tities... And also I can't stay on it for too long because depression starts creeping in, even with E2 fucking dialed.

So uh what the heck am I supposed to do. At this point I'm not even sure bulking at 250mg test is worth the implications.
Currently the best combination I found is 250mg test, 500 EQ and 10mg daily dbol. (E2 wise I am ok)

I am thinking of removing my glands so I could enjoy trest and find a protocol that doesn't cause depression.

Any thoughts?

You sound like a bitch tbh. Stop letting things get in your head, you have told yourself internally that everything will give you depression now because you worry too much about it.

 

[wells14]

If androgens makes you suicidal stop fucking using them. Just be natural at that point.

 

[dinfaralt]

have you tried masteron?

honestly i have no fancy words to throw around, just experience. masteron has some weird interference on general mood, most guys have a positive experience with getting on masteron helping their wellbeing.

im one of those unlucky guys which have no problems with any compounds at any dosage besides if i crash my estrogen, but masteron makes me depressed. maybe it will be the reverse in your case and you'll be like the other guys that it helps.

 

[Liter O' Test]

ive been thinking of the same thing
currently I'm leaning towards TRT + 150 npp + 100 tren e + 50 adrol
Trying to avoid facial bloat , but definately had some nandrolone sides last time at 1g lol

but i dont think its the TEST, i think its just the androgens like someone else mentioned, maybe causing you anxiety? or turning your brain on too much?
are you ruminating on the past or the present? or is it legit depression like you dont want to get out of bed?

 

[xrayphoton13]

It sounds like steroids aren't for you my friend. Sometimes you just gotta see the writing on the wall and move on with life. Find a new hobby. You will be healthier and live longer at 125mg test anyway. Throw in some occasional combinations of anavar, anadrol, and dbol here and there and you'll still be able to put size on

 

[IndividualMan]

It sounds like steroids aren't for you my friend. Sometimes you just gotta see the writing on the wall and move on with life. Find a new hobby. You will be healthier and live longer at 125mg test anyway. Throw in some occasional combinations of anavar, anadrol, and dbol here and there and you'll still be able to put size on

Trvth nvke.

Just live life man, this sport is not for you. Take your 125-150 Test, maybe some EQ if you enjoy it, throw in some orals once or twice a year, keep your health in check, and enjoy the ride.
Nothing shameful about it, some people just arent made for high androgen exposure (noone really is, but some people are more resistant to mental& physical sides than others.

 

[Slowww]

Go to therapy not mesorx


if I drink i become an asshole so I don’t drink. If you use steroids you get big sad, don’t do steroids.
same same but different

 

[PnkCy]

have you tried masteron?

honestly i have no fancy words to throw around, just experience. masteron has some weird interference on general mood, most guys have a positive experience with getting on masteron helping their wellbeing.

im one of those unlucky guys which have no problems with any compounds at any dosage besides if i crash my estrogen, but masteron makes me depressed. maybe it will be the reverse in your case and you'll be like the other guys that it helps.

Yep I have tried mast p, 200 mg weekly. Didn't notice side effects. Gives a good look but did not help putting on mass (as expected).
People have said mast offset their deca/npp side but sadly that wasn't the case for me.

 

[PnkCy]

It sounds like steroids aren't for you my friend. Sometimes you just gotta see the writing on the wall and move on with life. Find a new hobby. You will be healthier and live longer at 125mg test anyway. Throw in some occasional combinations of anavar, anadrol, and dbol here and there and you'll still be able to put size on

Yeah, if I can't find something that works substantially more than being natty then this is not worth it for me at all.

 

[IndividualMan]

Yeah, if I can't find something that works substantially more than being natty then this is not worth it for me at all.

Hell yeah, man. Quality of life is the #1 thing, it ranks above everything else.

 

[juicebro]

Why are you so sure it's not estrogen

 

[PnkCy]

The other potential protocol I thought about is to bet everything on EQ since it's the only compound (with mast) that doesn't give me any mental side. I don't get high hematocrit from it as well. Was thinking maybe 750 or even 1g. But I'd need more e2 to offset the AI effect. I can't get that from more test so I was thinking of increasing dbol dose but orals at such dose aren't sustainable for a whole bulking cycle.

 

[PnkCy]

Why are you so sure it's not estrogen

Because it is in range. E2 is dialed in so that's not it.

 

[PnkCy]

Hell yeah, man. Quality of life is the #1 thing, it ranks above everything else.

Yeah for sure. I just wanted to see if someone had similar issues and found a way or if someone amongst the community could enlighten me about what's going on.
But if truly nothing works, that's ok. I don't have to force it. Just wanna make sure I explored all options first.

 

[xrayphoton13]

The other potential protocol I thought about is to bet everything on EQ since it's the only compound (with mast) that doesn't give me any mental side. I don't get high hematocrit from it as well. Was thinking maybe 750 or even 1g. But I'd need more e2 to offset the AI effect. I can't get that from more test so I was thinking of increasing dbol dose but orals at such dose aren't sustainable for a whole bulking cycle.

Yeah dbol could be fine for that length if you only need it for some e2. You gotta know what high and low e2 feels like though since you can't test for it. You may only need 10mg 4-5x a week. You may need more. I ran a cycle with no e2 once and 25mg dbol per day was giving me high e2 symptoms. check your labs to make sure your liver looks okay

 

[GreatOak]

The other potential protocol I thought about is to bet everything on EQ since it's the only compound (with mast) that doesn't give me any mental side. I don't get high hematocrit from it as well. Was thinking maybe 750 or even 1g. But I'd need more e2 to offset the AI effect. I can't get that from more test so I was thinking of increasing dbol dose but orals at such dose aren't sustainable for a whole bulking cycle.

HCG!

 

[RockyP]

Would have to agree with what’s been said here. If you can’t tolerate testosterone, a bio-identical hormone, at supraphysiological levels, you need to find something else to do with your time. Sure you can add in orals here and there but it’s a waste of time, money, and health. Your body is screaming at you. Listen to it.

 

[dinfaralt]

The other potential protocol I thought about is to bet everything on EQ since it's the only compound (with mast) that doesn't give me any mental side. I don't get high hematocrit from it as well. Was thinking maybe 750 or even 1g. But I'd need more e2 to offset the AI effect. I can't get that from more test so I was thinking of increasing dbol dose but orals at such dose aren't sustainable for a whole bulking cycle.

honestly, its the worse case scenario if you fuck yourself with eq and its in your system for the next 12 weeks! probably 16 to 20 weeks with 1g