Steroids, Gynecomastia and Gyno Surgery

[Ataemonus]

You showed your tits to a girl you train with ? Now ask her to show you hers, it's only fair.

 

[Jaylg557]

You showed your tits to a girl you train with ? Now ask her to show you hers, it's only fair.

Equality!!!! I love it

 

[Ataemonus]

Precisely. They asked for it, now time to live up to it.

 

[anon55]

I had my gyno surgery, small unilateral gyno (left side)
Operation went well
Picture is 2 weeks post op
Now at 4 weeks there is just a little bit of edema under the nipple.
I can start to work chest gently
Around 1200€ in France, no lipo, just gland excision

It was obvious in the first picture, I was ripped so the surgeon just had to remove the gland. (Fuck i was so shredded, the only thing I remember was that I looked so bad because of the gyno and so lower back/abs fat left)

 

[Ataemonus]

From that picture, gyno was not that bad, but I totally understand you felt it was.

 

[anon55]

From that picture, gyno was not that bad, but I totally understand you felt it was.

It was itching a lot, and I felt it under my tee-shirt. And yeah sometimes when it's on you you can't think about anything else!

 

[webstar138]

Hey everyone. I had gyno also. Had it for 4 years and went through the same old stuff that everyone else did. NIpple pinch and trying to wear baggy shirts and stuff. It was the only thing that could get to me.

My only weakness... I felt compelled to try anything to get rid of it.

I got the gyno surgically removed in Portland Oregon two years ago. My doctor was Portland local. He left no scars what so ever.

If you are tired of the gyno the only way to get it removed is surgery. You have to tell them to take out the gland also if you want to insure that you will never have it again.

I paid 5k for surgery and everything that was needed. I used my student loans to pay for it and I don’t regret getting it done at all!

Best choice of my life.

Now if you decide to get the surgery done. Make sure you are going to someone who wont leave you looking like Freddy Kruger after. My surgery they just cut around the nipples and left drainage tubes. They put the drainage tubes in my arm pit so you wont even seen those little scars.

I am all healed up now obviously.

The surgery is expensive if you get it done right should be around 5k for everything. Now yeah that is a lot of cash. But at the same time we all know we blow our money on stupid shit everyday. Whether that is coffee or pizza or pussy.. Spending that 5k is on being spent for yourself. You wont regret it! DO it TO IT!

What was your doctor and clinic

 

[Kendog]

I had mine done in Sheffield a couple of years ago by Dr Hassan Nurein. Done under local anaesthetic and wasn’t bad at all. Very little pain but strange at times with pressure. Cost about 5k….i know I could have done it cheaper but wanted peace of mind as I know he’s one of the best.

 

[Eddie.]

I think gyno is starting to form currently, nothing visible yet but i have some discomfort and itching in nipples.

My e2 was in the 30s but lately i introduced 200mg tren, 50mg anadrol daily and 50mg dbol on the weekends. With the somewhat high HGH (8iu) prolactin might be getting high. I take 300mg p5p for couple months but it doesn't seem to do much.

I have nolvadex on hand, 10mg and 20mg. Should i add 20 a day until i quit the orals and tren or 10 is ok to prevent forming?

 

[Maiandros88]

I had mine done in Sheffield a couple of years ago by Dr Hassan Nurein. Done under local anaesthetic and wasn’t bad at all. Very little pain but strange at times with pressure. Cost about 5k….i know I could have done it cheaper but wanted peace of mind as I know he’s one of the best.

With 5k in my country girls putting boobs, but i think it’s a little expensive for that surgery

 

[Maiandros88]

I think gyno is starting to form currently, nothing visible yet but i have some discomfort and itching in nipples.

My e2 was in the 30s but lately i introduced 200mg tren, 50mg anadrol daily and 50mg dbol on the weekends. With the somewhat high HGH (8iu) prolactin might be getting high. I take 300mg p5p for couple months but it doesn't seem to do much.

I have nolvadex on hand, 10mg and 20mg. Should i add 20 a day until i quit the orals and tren or 10 is ok to prevent forming?

Nolva on cycle will not do much, check and try some aromasin or arimidex and some caber to fix your issues

 

[Ataemonus]

I think gyno is starting to form currently, nothing visible yet but i have some discomfort and itching in nipples.

My e2 was in the 30s but lately i introduced 200mg tren, 50mg anadrol daily and 50mg dbol on the weekends. With the somewhat high HGH (8iu) prolactin might be getting high. I take 300mg p5p for couple months but it doesn't seem to do much.

I have nolvadex on hand, 10mg and 20mg. Should i add 20 a day until i quit the orals and tren or 10 is ok to prevent forming?

In my personal experience, I would not worry about it. If you already have itching and perhaps a bit of nodule when palpating, then it's there to stay, nothing you can do about it now, except maybe stop it from developing further. When I first noticed it, just like you say, itchy nipples and perhaps a bit more fat in that area, I panicked and I tried everything I could read on the internet, but heck, nothing did anything but stop the itching and perhaps reduce the development of the gland. But the glands are there, small pea sized, I can feel them, both sides. I stopped everything, and I am 100% it was DBol that was the root cause, combined with a 19nor, in my case Deca.
Of course, everybody is different and reacts differently, I am just saying what happened in my case.
After that, next time I tried DBol same thing happened, so I will not ever touch DBol again. I am OK with Deca, I think, though I have not found a use for it lately, I am definitely OK with Adrol, Tren will most likely not cause any gyno on anyone.
Anyway, since I learned what exactly what causes my gyno to get inflamed, I had zero issues and the nodules/glands are very small, but I very much doubt there is any magic that can make them disappear except for surgery.
In short, I would just take DBol out, as it does not aromatize into normal estrogen, but into methylated form of E2.

 

[the_dav]

Tiles Gynecomastia Journey.
Surprisingly enough my Gyno History extends much past my AAS History. I was always a wiery boy. Id have to say that in my opionion as a child, and a teen i was more ectomorph than anything, but my genetic is more of Mesomorph, and it shown as I hit adolescence. I started to fill in , my pecs gained definition and size, but as always my nipples were very small. I always had a V waist line, low BF%, and visable abs.
Somewhere around the age of 12 -13 I was put into residential treatment facilities for troubled teens. Around this time or shortly in the years to come, the facilities such as Califronia Youth Authority, and others, issued me alot of different medications, for depression, rage, violence, etc. Medications that i can recant, are : rispidal, depokote, buspar, wellbutrin, zoloft, zyprexa, seroquil, and ridilin/adarol . This is in the mid to late 1990s, and i have no clue on dosages, or combinations of medications being prescribed to me at that time. Lets say the switch happened at 15 years old. I was approximately 140 pounds, and within 3Months of a certain medication combo, i was lethargic, slower than normal, mentally, and physically, as if there was no more fight in me. I gained 120 pounds of pure fat. 260 Pounds . I remember vividly pounding the shit out of a few people while I had that weight behind my blows. Not to say I didn't wield a punch before , lol. All I can remember is when we discontinued the medications, the weight fell off as fast as it came . I was left with stretch marks on my inner biceps, and on my butt, and hip areas. No loose skin was to be found miraculously, But glandular tissue had developed under my aerolas. My nipples remained forever ''puffy'' .
It Mentally deflating. It could be seen through looser garmets like a cotton shirt . It ruins ones want to go to the local swimming pool, let alone date to some extent. It would be one thing to be born with something, you grow up accepting, but seeing a change in what you admired, to what becomes a mental tumor is a difficult thing. I felt alone, dont think I ever spoke with anyone regarding the matter. At this time the internet wasn't what it is now, you couldn't just Google an answer up or compare cliff notes. One thing I remember doing, this entire last 17 years of living with Gynecomastia, was pinching my nipples before posing, or taking my shirt off, or swimming, as it will give the immediate effect of a smaller original sized nipple for all of 5 minutes. For what ever reason the skin retracts or contracts irrgardless of whether there is glandular tissue behind it or not. I remember in 2012 reading for the first time a realself experience, or maybe it was BB.com idk, but someone else had done the turn your back, and pinch your nipples thing for years too!!!! I remember breathing a sigh of relief, it wasnt just me .
Im not here to quote the occurance of Gyno in males , puberty induced, or other. Im here to share my experience with mine. There is alot of mystery surrounding causes and whether a case of puffy nipples is indeed gynocomastia, or is it fat? Is it pseudo gynecomastia or real gynecomastia? All these things should be questioned. Is there glandular tissue, and extra fat beyond the perimeter of the areola that needs to be addressed as well? But from what Ive gathered , when there is a puffy nipple that was once not that way, it seemingly is the cause of a hard tissue gland behind it. It made my nipples look more dome shaped. I could squeeze behind them and feel hard material , the size of almonds. There seemed to be more than just one lump under each, it spread to the outside perimeter around the nipple.
In 2014 I was on AAS 8 months of the year. The difference was pretty non existent. Then I pushed up to 1g of Test Eth per week, and added DBOL into the equation for a short stint. Arimidex had worked for me previously, but I was making a switch to using Xstane, and at the time wasnt taking it frequently enough, or enough of a dosage to combat the estrogen that was being created . At that time I remember waking up heavier and heavier every day, and my nipples itched, and were as puffy as Ive ever witnessed. The nipple appeared swollen to the max, and at that point , I had my blood checked, and then re checked again to dial my AI dose in. Once that was figured out they returned to orginal puffy state . Did the lumps grow anymore? Im still not sure, and I dont really care. I had already decided at this point that I had spent 17 years thinking about this. If there was a small chance I could metally forget about this whole ordeal, than I would try. At this time I followed JBs thread on his Gyno tale. It made it real for me, hey a guy I know has this same shit, and he is doing something about it. Oh wow I thought, the thought of them cutting open my shit, and that nasty ass gland, i YouTube'd it, and lipo, and could barely watch. But JB is doing it, I haven't heard him mutter one word of fear or discontent . Fuck that I can do this i thought.
And that was that. I started calling around , researching , doing my OCD thing. I use the power of Google to search out just about anything. I read tons of articles on it, doctor testominials , different forum etc. They all indicated mostly the same thing. If your very low bf% , and its just puffy nipples, than its mostly just gland probably. Now let me state , If i were loaded, i would seek out the best names in the buisness. Would you have brain surgery in Bismark North Dakota, or At a Major hopspital in Seattle? I know which I would prefer. The rule stands here, that a major metropolitan are , is most likely going to have more specialized fields of interest, and therefore a superior plastic surgeon. However I didnt have the means. I found a board certified plastic surgeon 3 hours one way from me, that had a decent portfolio of boob jobs, and seemed to say he was well versed in gyno. He was also the county's on call OR surgeon for immediate emergency traumas at the Hospital relating to plastic surgery, so that made me feel slightly better. Either way finding info on health grades, and or independently researching him was a pain in the ass, and I got nowhere. I sent pictures of my condition in, and they quoted me @ 2,000.00 US for glandular excision under local anesthesia , with oral sedation, ie hydrocodone, and Valium.
We booked a date, and things were set. I prepared. Bought a few things id need like 20 Gatorades, and some easy meals around the house. Cleared my schedule. Got my friend to drive me to and from . For about 2 weeks prior I was very very nervous. Am I making the right decision? Hell most people cant even see it, so why should I care anymore. .. all these things. Then id catch myself looking in the mirror at these damn puffy fucking things!! fuck it whats the worst that could happen?? I was nervous about the local more than anything.
Day of surgery. Doc comes in , I'm sleep deprived ,nervous and could barely sleep the night before. He calms me down , draws some marks around my nipples takes pics, and gives me some pills. 30 minutes latter they bring me into another room. I'm walking and talking but def more tired than usual and slurred. I lay back they drape me up, so my face is looking right at a curtain. Its bright but i don't seem to care. The doctor gives me local through a serious of shots with a 30g syringe into my pecs , and to my relief I don't feel a thing. Hardly a sting of the needle. In fact I feel great. What a relief i think to myself, and I carry on slight conversation with the doc, and nurse as it proceeds. Its over as fast as it started, and my friend helps me into my truck . They wrapped each nip in gauze taped it up, and then ace bandage compressed it over me. The stitches were steri strips. I was to leave it alone for 48hrs, then remove and shower, and re gauze and compress. by 36 hrs i didn't need the gauze,and dropped to the compress. The process was virtually pain free. Id get a twinge here and there, and still 5 days post as I write this I'm not pushing it, but not in pain. I want to flex my chest but I refuse too lol .
The ace bandage compress is no good, its constantly slips down the nipples and actually does the opposite of its intension. I found it better to wear a compress UA shirt , then wrap over that if additional compress is needed. I found the best was actually a UA shirt ''compress ''cut , and one size to small to be the best. Right now Im still healing, and my biggest concern is the nipple returning to its original size. They are still bigger than they should be , i cant tell if its shrunk at all yet. There are two of those steri strip stitches on each nipple basically criss cross at a 45 degree angle, so I'm not sure if there making the top of my nipple kind of jut out, or if swelling just needs to go down, and for the nipple to get used to all the room it has now. Anyways I'm nervous and hopeful.
I hope this experience may help someone make an rational decision in dealing with their individual case. I will report back as I heal and supply pictures along the way. The first two pictures are the glands excised. The next is a natural pre op side shot, of the puffiness of the right nipple. The following is pre op when the nipple is pinched and contracts to smaller more normal size, more concurrent with what it used to be . The last pic is 48 hrs post op . Next pics will be at 2 weeks and 4 post . View attachment 21087View attachment 21088 View attachment 21089View attachment 21090View attachment 21091

Hard and tough experience, glad you passed it and I hope you the best man

 

[Eddie.]

In my personal experience, I would not worry about it. If you already have itching and perhaps a bit of nodule when palpating, then it's there to stay, nothing you can do about it now, except maybe stop it from developing further. When I first noticed it, just like you say, itchy nipples and perhaps a bit more fat in that area, I panicked and I tried everything I could read on the internet, but heck, nothing did anything but stop the itching and perhaps reduce the development of the gland. But the glands are there, small pea sized, I can feel them, both sides. I stopped everything, and I am 100% it was DBol that was the root cause, combined with a 19nor, in my case Deca.
Of course, everybody is different and reacts differently, I am just saying what happened in my case.
After that, next time I tried DBol same thing happened, so I will not ever touch DBol again. I am OK with Deca, I think, though I have not found a use for it lately, I am definitely OK with Adrol, Tren will most likely not cause any gyno on anyone.
Anyway, since I learned what exactly what causes my gyno to get inflamed, I had zero issues and the nodules/glands are very small, but I very much doubt there is any magic that can make them disappear except for surgery.
In short, I would just take DBol out, as it does not aromatize into normal estrogen, but into methylated form of E2.

Gyno takes time to form, at least from what I’m reading. If You caught it early you can stop it and actually reverse it with serms. Many times it’s just puffy nipples from water retention, I somehow poked my nipple yesterday and felt some discomfort. Did it in the other one, same thing.

I’m not gonna stress it, I already have too much flabby skin around my nipples from gaining and losing 100 pounds that already can be mistaken as gyno. I’m just wondering if for 4-5 weeks is it better to take 20mg nolva or 10. Actually I could go to pharmacy tomorrow and buy some raloxifene but I don’t think it’s necessary to deploy the big guns.

 

[Ataemonus]

For me, Nolva makes me a vegetable. I cannot even poop normally anymore, so I'd rather use AI. I know they are different compounds but heck...I try to stay as much away from Tamox as possible.
If you can tolerate Nolva, you could be aggressive and do 2 weeks of 20 and then the rest with 10, but if memory serves me, it takes at least 2-3 weeks for the itchiness to go away, regardless of what I used.

As for the gyno itself, the way I understand it, the glands are there, undeveloped, and once you get itchy nipples it is a symptom of them developing already, it can be stopped but not reversed, or not fully reversed. I hope I am wrong, but I myself tried pretty much everything under the sun, except enclomiphene as I could not source it, even killed my E2 with Letro, Nolva and Clomid and still no luck. I know people with similar experiences, they even tried enclomiphene and still no luck.

 

[Eddie.]

For me, Nolva makes me a vegetable. I cannot even poop normally anymore, so I'd rather use AI. I know they are different compounds but heck...I try to stay as much away from Tamox as possible.
If you can tolerate Nolva, you could be aggressive and do 2 weeks of 20 and then the rest with 10, but if memory serves me, it takes at least 2-3 weeks for the itchiness to go away, regardless of what I used.

As for the gyno itself, the way I understand it, the glands are there, undeveloped, and once you get itchy nipples it is a symptom of them developing already, it can be stopped but not reversed, or not fully reversed. I hope I am wrong, but I myself tried pretty much everything under the sun, except enclomiphene as I could not source it, even killed my E2 with Letro, Nolva and Clomid and still no luck. I know people with similar experiences, they even tried enclomiphene and still no luck.

When gyno is induced by high estradiol then crashing it with arimidex or letro will make sense, now it doesn’t. I already have some low e2 symptoms and my latest reading was 32pg/ml.

Anyway, I’ll take 20 and hope for the best lol.

 

[Maiandros88]

When gyno is induced by high estradiol then crashing it with arimidex or letro will make sense, now it doesn’t. I already have some low e2 symptoms and my latest reading was 32pg/ml.

Anyway, I’ll take 20 and hope for the best lol.

Good luck with the nolva buddy

 

[Ataemonus]

When gyno is induced by high estradiol then crashing it with arimidex or letro will make sense, now it doesn’t. I already have some low e2 symptoms and my latest reading was 32pg/ml.

Anyway, I’ll take 20 and hope for the best lol.

I am telling you, it's that darned Dbol and the methylated estro.

 

[Eddie.]

Good luck with the nolva buddy

Thanks man!

I am telling you, it's that darned Dbol and the methylated estro.

From 2 times a week? Damn.. ok I’ll stop it then and swap the milligrams with anadrol to see what’s up.

 

[FuriousAngus]

Thanks man!



From 2 times a week? Damn.. ok I’ll stop it then and swap the milligrams with anadrol to see what’s up.

I have a lump that comes and goes, had it for over 10 years now. AI + Nolva + Mast brought it down to near nothing I had a hard time finding it while poking around my nipples, and this is after I let it grow to about a solid, hard pea sized lump. It also went away completely when I came off trying to go natty a few years ago (was very surprising). Point is; hard lumps CAN -POSSIBLY- be reversed, even if it's been YEARS.

I'm planning to get surgery done in the next 2-3 years just for peace of mind.