Start TRT now? or wait until i recover?

[Angryshitter]

To start off. I'm 30 yrs old, and last year when I checked my testosterone was about 500ng/dl, all other markers were pretty much in the middle range. and that was with Me taking supplements. Eating clean, training hard, sleeping good etc. So I'm assuming that's best case scenario since the year before that it was 460ng/dl

Just to give more context. I've been wanting to do trt to optimize as I've been struggling to make gains. I feel like I'm lacking a certain flame I once had, and honestly I just simply want to blast and cruise and get fucking jacked. Only reason I've been waiting was for fertility reasons. But this world is falling apart too fast and I've given up hope on children, so i think im ready to take the plunge. So as you can see it's not like I HAVE to get on right away.

Anyways, I tore My bicep in august and had to get surgery and then I had loose skin removed as well since i was already recovering i figured that was the perfect time to get both done. so I've been out of the gym since then just withering away. So this gave me alot of time to think and I've decided I want to give it a shot!

The question is.. do I start now? Or wait untill I'm back fully recovered.
My thoughts are maybe it's good to wait untill I'm recovered so my tendon has time to strengthen. And I've heard there is a honeymoon phase with trt. So I would hate to waste that if I can't even lift and I'm just stuck sitting on my ass all day.
Or..
Maybe I would be better to start now so I have time to get "dialed in" because I don't know how difficult that process is. Some people it seems like they deal with all kinds of side effects. Which i would hate to deal with when I'm back to work and life gets busy again.

What would you do in my scenerio? Get started now? Or wait till I am fully recovered back to where I was pre-injury.
One last thought. I also would like to get blood work one last time before I tinker with my hormones just to have one last established baseline to refer back to in the future If needed.
I would imagine right now since my lifestyle isn't great at the moment being sedentary + all the narcotics, opiates, muscle relaxers prescribed by my surgeons etc. My blood work probably is in the gutter lol
Any thoughts and opinions on this matter are much appreciated. Thank you!

 

[Al3s]

500ng/dl is not that bad. I was like 350ng/dl before I started and I was definitely feeling run down and depressed.

If your intention was just to be on TRT, I would advice you to redo your blood tests (you should do anyway) just in case it was one off, and then start right away. A young guy I know from the gym was telling me he wanted to be on trt and it turns out he had 900ng/dl as a natty lmao. I was like "don't do that to yourself"

Since you say you want to B&C and get jacked, I'd wait until everything is fine and you are back in the gym. Then, just hop straight into your first blast and enjoy the ride. My first time I jumped straight into test 500mg/week and after being lowish T just the mood change alone was wild.

 

[Dtn8r]

500ng/dl is not that bad. I was like 350ng/dl before I started and I was definitely feeling run down and depressed.

If your intention was just to be on TRT, I would advice you to redo your blood tests (you should do anyway) just in case it was one off, and then start right away. A young guy I know from the gym was telling me he wanted to be on trt and it turns out he had 900ng/dl as a natty lmao. I was like "don't do that to yourself"

Since you say you want to B&C and get jacked, I'd wait until everything is fine and you are back in the gym. Then, just hop straight into your first blast and enjoy the ride. My first time I jumped straight into test 500mg/week and after being lowish T just the mood change alone was wild.

I agree with this approach. I’m 47 and have been on TRT for the last three years. I was sitting around 250 and it was time. I wouldn’t consider it if you’re over 500 but would recommend (since you said you want to get jacked) to do a controlled cycle. Test+deca+xyz. Depending on your goals and habits. TRT probably isn’t necessary at your age and levels. Just be patient, recover then run with a good stack of the good stuff.

 

[Angryshitter]

500ng/dl is not that bad. I was like 350ng/dl before I started and I was definitely feeling run down and depressed.

If your intention was just to be on TRT, I would advice you to redo your blood tests (you should do anyway) just in case it was one off, and then start right away. A young guy I know from the gym was telling me he wanted to be on trt and it turns out he had 900ng/dl as a natty lmao. I was like "don't do that to yourself"

Since you say you want to B&C and get jacked, I'd wait until everything is fine and you are back in the gym. Then, just hop straight into your first blast and enjoy the ride. My first time I jumped straight into test 500mg/week and after being lowish T just the mood change alone was wild.

Yeah I kinda leaning towards waiting untill I'm fully recovered like you said. I know my test levels aren't horrible. But I can imagine I would still see some benefits if i started trt.
I would like to stay up at the upper level of testosterone for optimization. Plus it's only going to go down hill from here anyways.

I'm definitely not anything close to 900ng natty LOL I wish.
I also don't really see lure in cycling on and off. I'll just stress my body. Lose most of my gains. Have to take more harsh drugs ans get more side effects. Dealing with highs and lows.

Rather just marry the needle honestly

 

[Al3s]

Yeah I kinda leaning towards waiting untill I'm fully recovered like you said. I know my test levels aren't horrible. But I can imagine I would still see some benefits if i started trt.
I would like to stay up at the upper level of testosterone for optimization. Plus it's only going to go down hill from here anyways.

I'm definitely not anything close to 900ng natty LOL I wish.
I also don't really see lure in cycling on and off. I'll just stress my body. Lose most of my gains. Have to take more harsh drugs ans get more side effects. Dealing with highs and lows.

Rather just marry the needle honestly

Yeah, I started at 37yo so for me, I had the same philosophy of just b&c and get it over with.

I'm not going to try and convince you, to each his own, but I have to tell you, I'm 43yo now, so 6 years on, and it gets old having to pin every week for the rest of your life.

 

[Angryshitter]

Yeah, I started at 37yo so for me, I had the same philosophy of just b&c and get it over with.

I'm not going to try and convince you, to each his own, but I have to tell you, I'm 43yo now, so 6 years on, and it gets old having to pin every week for the rest of your life.

You only pin once a week? Yeah I already pin peptides and been doing so for like 3 years so it dosent seem too bad. Although maybe when I reach 6 years I will be sick of it too lol

If I hop on and it's not what I'm expecting I guess I can always hop off. But I'll at least try it for a good 6 months and see if I feel any benefits.

 

[Al3s]

You only pin once a week?

Twice mostly. I've tried more but I always end up skipping some day or I forget if I pinned the day before, etc.
It may sound weird but I've working rotating shifts for years and most of the time I'm not even aware of what day of the week it is. It fucks up everything from hours of sleep, to maintaining an eating schedule, to working out,...

 

[Angryshitter]

Twice mostly. I've tried more but I always end up skipping some day or I forget if I pinned the day before, etc.
It may sound weird but I've working rotating shifts for years and most of the time I'm not even aware of what day of the week it is. It fucks up everything from hours of sleep, to maintaining an eating schedule, to working out,...

Ah Dude you work rotating shifts? That's a special kind of hell. I thought my work life sucks but that's just horrendous. Hope you're making damn good money lol

 

[adrenalytic]

to do a controlled cycle. Test+deca+xyz.

How the actual fuck is this a controlled cycle? That's three compounds. Which one does he pull or titrate if he gets side effects? Jesus these new people from reddit or tik tok or whatever the fuck are just a cancer on this board now.

I just simply want to blast and cruise and get fucking jacked.

this is really all you had to say OP, everything else was you talking yourself into self prescribed TRT.

I'd say wait till you are healed but if you do start now, don't just start blasting 500mg of test off the rip (and yes, your first cycle should always be test-only, ignore the retard telling you to take different shit).

Start at a conservative 100mg a week since you'll be injured and unable to take advantage of the increased androgens. Ride that out for 6 weeks then get bloodwork to see where that's puts you. After you're healed and ready to chew iron then you can start titrating up the dose. Hell, you might even find that can make gains on that dose alone. The longer you can ride a dose and still make gains, the longer you will be able to play this game.

One last thought. I also would like to get blood work one last time before I tinker with my hormones just to have one last established baseline to refer back to in the future If needed.

This isn't some novel thing you just came up with. It's something everyone should do for that exact reason. You are about to make a life-long commitment to drugs. Best to know if they are helping or hurting you.

 

[Angryshitter]

How the actual fuck is this a controlled cycle? That's three compounds. Which one does he pull or titrate if he gets side effects? Jesus these new people from reddit or tik tok or whatever the fuck are just a cancer on this board now.

LOL

this is really all you had to say OP, everything else was you talking yourself into self prescribed TRT.

I was thinking this as I was writing it but i couldn't help myself but to over explain for the gate keepers lol

I'd say wait till you are healed but if you do start now, don't just start blasting 500mg of test off the rip (and yes, your first cycle should always be test-only, ignore the retard telling you to take different shit).

Yeah think you're right probably gonna wait, it makes the most sense. Either way I don't really have a desire to blast or touch other compounds anytime soon, so I'm with you there. I think TRT alone will offer plenty of advantages on its own to milk gains out of. I'm a "less is more" kind of guy.

Start at a conservative 100mg a week since you'll be injured and unable to take advantage of the increased androgens. Ride that out for 6 weeks then get bloodwork to see where that's puts you. After you're healed and ready to chew iron then you can start titrating up the dose. Hell, you might even find that can make gains on that dose alone. The longer you can ride a dose and still make gains, the longer you will be able to play this game.

This advice rocks dude. Thank you. I'm going to do exactly this

 

[adrenalytic]

This advice rocks dude. Thank you. I'm going to do exactly this

You're welcome. Too many guys fizzle out fast because they want it all and they want it right now. Cliche as it sounds, slow and steady really does win this race.

 

[Al3s]

LOL

I was thinking this as I was writing it but i couldn't help myself but to over explain for the gate keepers lol

Yeah think you're right probably gonna wait, it makes the most sense. Either way I don't really have a desire to blast or touch other compounds anytime soon, so I'm with you there. I think TRT alone will offer plenty of advantages on its own to milk gains out of. I'm a "less is more" kind of guy.

This advice rocks dude. Thank you. I'm going to do exactly this

If you start at 100mg like that guy says you are not going to notice shit. Just saying.

 

[adrenalytic]

If you start at 100mg like that guy says you are not going to notice shit. Just saying.

He's not trying to notice shit. He's injured. Also, you have no idea how this man will respond to exogenous testosterone. Just because your genetics are shit doesn't mean his are.

 

[Angryshitter]

You're welcome. Too many guys fizzle out fast because they want it all and they want it right now. Cliche as it sounds, slow and steady really does win this race.

Exactly. If I take a bunch of drugs and max out my physique in a couple of years. Burn out all my organ health. Then there's no where to go but down.
I remember seeing this guy in my gym years ago. He was HUGE. Always looked so angry. Like REALLY REALLY angry... Slamming locker room doors. Cursing. Etc. Idk if it was just a ego thing. Or his hormones from drugs or what.
But
I was nervous to even look In his direction. Must of been on every drug you can think of. i swear he was perma-blasting. I stopped going to the gym for a few years because life reasons. anyways when I got my shit together and started lifting again I went back to that same gym and saw him and he looks like SHIT. He fell off hard.
On the flip side there's this old dude that goes to that same gym looks incredible. He's Also on gear. But he must use it tastefully and also puts in the work. He's had the same physique for the past 10 years. And dosnt look like he got Any older. But his beard is Santa clause white. Idk how he does it. But I hope that's me..

 

[adrenalytic]

Exactly. If I take a bunch of drugs and max out my physique in a couple of years. Burn out all my organ health. Then there's no where to go but down.
I remember seeing this guy in my gym years ago. He was HUGE. Always looked so angry. Like REALLY REALLY angry... Slamming locker room doors. Cursing. Etc. Idk if it was just a ego thing. Or his hormones from drugs or what.
But
I was nervous to even look In his direction. Must of been on every drug you can think of. i swear he was perma-blasting. I stopped going to the gym for a few years because life reasons. anyways when I got my shit together and started lifting again I went back to that same gym and saw him and he looks like SHIT. He fell off hard.
On the flip side there's this old dude that goes to that same gym looks incredible. He's Also on gear. But he must use it tastefully and also puts in the work. He's had the same physique for the past 10 years. And dosnt look like he got Any older. But his beard is Santa clause white. Idk how he does it. But I hope that's me..

Hell ya man. That's the right mindset for longevity. Slow roll your dosing and you'll have decades of gains ahead. And your organs will reward you with vitality.

 

[Angryshitter]

If you start at 100mg like that guy says you are not going to notice shit. Just saying.

Well like @adrenalytic said. I am injured right now so this year is kind of a wash. I'm not really trying to make big changes this year since I doubt my tendon will be able to keep up with big strength Increases untill I give it time to really catch up from this surgery. So I'm happy to take it slow. Mostly just want to get dialed in and would be nice to have some motivational boost as well as sex drive etc. But I like the idea of slowly ramping up over time. Gives me alot to look forward too
Its Like pulling the panties to the side lol

 

[Al3s]

He's not trying to notice shit. He's injured. Also, you have no idea how this man will respond to exogenous testosterone. Just because your genetics are shit doesn't mean his are.

He's injured, right. That's why I told him to wait until he's good to go.
He's not even low T and he's going to supress his natural production for 100 measly mg that are not going to amount to anything.
Better to wait and do a proper cycle, see if he likes the whole ordeal. Better than staying a year supressed only to blast after that and realize it's not his thing.
Just my opinion.

 

[Angryshitter]

He's injured, right. That's why I told him to wait until he's good to go.
He's not even low T and he's going to supress his natural production for 100 measly mg that are not going to amount to anything.
Better to wait and do a proper cycle, see if he likes the whole ordeal. Better than staying a year supressed only to blast after that and realize it's not his thing.
Just my opinion.

You make valid points. Although I will say this. Once years ago I went to a supplement shop and bought pre-workout. Apparently it had SARMS mixed In with it. Specifically ostarine.

(I had no idea wtf it was at the time. The guy at the front desk just told me it'll build muscle without any side effects. Which obviously I now know was bullshit because I fucked myself up pretty bad from. That. Didn't even run a test base with it, like i said i didnt know any better. )

But ever since then I have been reminiscing on how amazing it was night and day difference in my performance, motivation. Drive etc. Sure the down fall was terrible once I was suppressed, but untill that happened the ride to the top was incredible.

That's why I'm pretty confident in taking the plunge on suppressing myself. I feel more comfortable dipping my toes into trt because I can then slowly tinker with things and then if any side effects pop up I can just jump back to my TRT dose that I KNOW is side effect free. Like a safety net.

Only thing that scares me about you're route of blasting first then TRT later is if shit hits the fan and I start getting gyno and hair falls out etc. I won't know how much to lower my dose or what works for my body without causing side effects, ya know?

I think you're both right depending on how you look at it. I think I just feel safer establishing a TRT baseline first. And who knows that might be a huge battle in and of itself. I might take 100mgs and start getting gyno or some shit lol. I'm sure it's not common but I've read some people really have a hard time getting dialed in on TRT. So it might be such a shit show that. That alone might be enough to deter me. I think normally that's just because someone has a shitty doctor that makes them inject once a month or some shit. That's usually why people have problems. But you get my point lmao

 

[adrenalytic]

He's not even low T and he's going to supress his natural production for 100 measly mg that are not going to amount to anything.

He's a grown ass man that has already made the decision to live the BnC life. If he were some pajama pants wearing brocolli head I'd tell him to piss off, go lift, eat, and get pussy. But at 30 you don't need a gatekeeper telling you drugserbadmkay. You need guidance on how best to do it safely. Blasting with no idea how your body will behave is not safe.

Better to wait and do a proper cycle, see if he likes the whole ordeal.

What, in your opinion, is a "proper cycle"? Going back to natural production is not really an option. I know it is in fantasy land for a lot of guys but the chances he will resume full natural production is pretty low. if he's 500 now he will be lucky to be 300 if he PCTs off. Sometimes your balls never wake up.

Once that ship sails, you live here.

Better than staying a year supressed only to blast after that and realize it's not his thing.

Where did he say he'll be down a year? He had surgery in August which means he's healing right now. And he's not coming off so who cares about suppression? Cycling only to come completely off and lose all your gains is stupid anyway.

Again, you don't know how he will react to 100 mg. I've known guys to be in the 8-900 ng/dL TT range at that dose. But even if he's a normal responder, 100 mg will almost certainly place him higher than 500 ng/dL. If it doesn't? up the friggin' dose to 150! This isn't rocket surgery. It is turning knobs and pulling levers on your hormones to see what works best and there is a learning curve for everyone as everyone REACTS differently.

I start getting gyno and hair falls out etc. I won't know how much to lower my dose or what works for my body without causing side effects

All the more reason to start low and titrate. but don't sweat sides too much. YOu won't just wake up one day with a pair of double Ds looking like Mr. Clean. You will have warning signs and time to react with either titration or other meds to counter. You'd do better to worry about erythropoiesis (blood thickening), high hematocrit, high BP. Those are the things that can kill you.

But as long as you keep up on your bloodwork, again this stuff doesn't happen over night, you will have time to react.

 

[Angryshitter]

All the more reason to start low and titrate. but don't sweat sides too much. YOu won't just wake up one day with a pair of double Ds looking like Mr. Clean. You will have warning signs and time to react with either titration or other meds to counter. You'd do better to worry about erythropoiesis (blood thickening), high hematocrit, high BP. Those are the things that can kill you.

But as long as you keep up on your bloodwork, again this stuff doesn't happen over night, you will have time to react.

That's comforting to hear as it certainly is a big concern for me is how bad it is dealing with all those metrics.
It seems like for some people they hop on and cruise at 1500ng/dl and there's no problems, maybe have to donate blood twice a year Due to Hematocrit. And then there's some people that go on and they are constantly juggling hormones and different health marks at 750ng/dl lol

I know ppeople bitch the most about having to pin consistently, but I already pin peptides pretty consistently so I'm not too worried about that. I just hope Juggling everything else isn't such a giant chore. I hope I'm one of those guys that can cruise at 1,000 or 1,500ng/dl with no negative impact on bloodwork lol

And maybe it won't be worth it if I can only go from 500ng/dl to 800 and then start running into sides. I'll be so mad If that happens lol