Transferring oils for long term storage

[AllGoodThings]

What about worry of condensation forming?

The only water that can be in the vial, assuming the seal is intact, is water that was already in there. Warmer air can "hold" more water, so as the air temperature goes down, any suspended water will condense, however this is not adding water to the vial, it's simply due to temperature change forcing the water that was already in there to condense. If you're making your vials yourself, you can either use vacuum sealed vials to all but eliminate this concern, or, at the very least, fill them as much as possible without touching the stopper to minimize air. I also pull 20 to 40cc of air out using a syringe to create a weak vacuum, which can also help.

 

[Dxt25]

In a sealed container?

Ive had condensation form in sealed containers. Maybe the seal was bad but its not impossible

 

[Gatman]

has anyone tried these needles …..looking for the best to prevent coring

 

[AlexDavis43]

has anyone tried these needles …..looking for the best to prevent coring

I've never had a problem coring with a regular 18 gauge

Maybe bc I typically don't withdraw more than 10 times from a vial (my TRT comes in single-use vials, and blasts... well, you know)

 

[Ghoul]

has anyone tried these needles …..looking for the best to prevent coring

Yes, they enter the stopper with a "slice" instead of a "tube", so zero coring.

 

[AllGoodThings]

No re-vialing today, but did some vial sealing for freezer prep. I recently got a 5cu ft manual defrost chest freezer, and it's a garage ready model, so it operates within a wide temperature range without issues. Not using that feature at the moment, as I put it in our bedroom. My wife is about as cool as can be with this stuff, so I get to buy and do what I want lol. Plan to fill (well, maybe not fill) this sucker up with oils, eventually. Today I added 116 vials to long term freezer storage.

Part way through removing caps and adding seals to some of the stuff that's getting frozen. I did this in the off chance that if the stoppers shrink enough to compromise the seal, perhaps the crimp and vial Sal sticker could maintain some level of seal


This takes way longer than you'd think. A small metal tool is used to push down any metal burst that are raised when removing the caps, then alcohol is used to clean the aluminum. Then the stickers need to be somewhat carefully lined up and applied without air bubbles, preferably.
After the seals are applied:

Some of the specific compounds done today;


A close of Opti's fantastic PTFE vial stopper and aluminum top. I have a trenbolone acetate vial that's been penetrated maybe 70 times with 22g to 27g needles as I was microdosing it daily for a while, and a close up like this would look identical to the brand new one. Just amazing quality stopper material.


Printed some labels for each case for easy identification in the future


Here's the freezer;


Lots of room to grow, that's for sure!



Frosty!



Mast 200 crashes


Primo 150 doesn't seem to




I'll check others on the future, but it seems Test E 250 didn't, and neither did Tren Ace 100. This is purely academic, as heating will restore the hormone to suspension without issue.


Stay tuned for my next long term storage session. Probably going to transfer some DHB to Flurotec vials, and maybe make some custom concentrations with the 30ml Flurotec vials using Multi-Test 400 and Sustanon 500 with some lower concentration tests.

 

[Matty_G]

No re-vialing today, but did some vial sealing for freezer prep. I recently got a 5cu ft manual defrost chest freezer, and it's a garage ready model, so it operates within a wide temperature range without issues. Not using that feature at the moment, as I put it in our bedroom. My wife is about as cool as can be with this stuff, so I get to buy and do what I want lol. Plan to fill (well, maybe not fill) this sucker up with oils, eventually. Today I added 116 vials to long term freezer storage.

Part way through removing caps and adding seals to some of the stuff that's getting frozen. I did this in the off chance that if the stoppers shrink enough to compromise the seal, perhaps the crimp and vial Sal sticker could maintain some level of seal
View attachment 349175

This takes way longer than you'd think. A small metal tool is used to push down any metal burst that are raised when removing the caps, then alcohol is used to clean the aluminum. Then the stickers need to be somewhat carefully lined up and applied without air bubbles, preferably.
After the seals are applied:View attachment 349176

Some of the specific compounds done today;
View attachment 349177View attachment 349178View attachment 349179View attachment 349180View attachment 349181View attachment 349182

A close of Opti's fantastic PTFE vial stopper and aluminum top. I have a trenbolone acetate vial that's been penetrated maybe 70 times with 22g to 27g needles as I was microdosing it daily for a while, and a close up like this would look identical to the brand new one. Just amazing quality stopper material.
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Printed some labels for each case for easy identification in the future
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Here's the freezer;
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Lots of room to grow, that's for sure!
View attachment 349190


Frosty!
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Mast 200 crashes
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Primo 150 doesn't seem to
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I'll check others on the future, but it seems Test E 250 didn't, and neither did Tren Ace 100. This is purely academic, as heating will restore the hormone to suspension without issue.


Stay tuned for my next long term storage session. Probably going to transfer some DHB to Flurotec vials, and maybe make some custom concentrations with the 30ml Flurotec vials using Multi-Test 400 and Sustanon 500 with some lower concentration tests.

Bro got more gear than the vendors at this point

 

[Ateam2023]

Ok im in the right forum now, i received the seals @AllGoodThings recomended, i have a whole frikkin roll , lol overkill , YES , I have the 30 ml ALK vials with FluroTec stoppers, ready for long term storage. I have alot of work ahead of me to transfer my oils into these new vials, but heres a quick start.

 

[readalot]

No re-vialing today, but did some vial sealing for freezer prep. I recently got a 5cu ft manual defrost chest freezer, and it's a garage ready model, so it operates within a wide temperature range without issues. Not using that feature at the moment, as I put it in our bedroom. My wife is about as cool as can be with this stuff, so I get to buy and do what I want lol. Plan to fill (well, maybe not fill) this sucker up with oils, eventually. Today I added 116 vials to long term freezer storage.

Part way through removing caps and adding seals to some of the stuff that's getting frozen. I did this in the off chance that if the stoppers shrink enough to compromise the seal, perhaps the crimp and vial Sal sticker could maintain some level of seal
View attachment 349175

This takes way longer than you'd think. A small metal tool is used to push down any metal burst that are raised when removing the caps, then alcohol is used to clean the aluminum. Then the stickers need to be somewhat carefully lined up and applied without air bubbles, preferably.
After the seals are applied:View attachment 349176

Some of the specific compounds done today;
View attachment 349177View attachment 349178View attachment 349179View attachment 349180View attachment 349181View attachment 349182

A close of Opti's fantastic PTFE vial stopper and aluminum top. I have a trenbolone acetate vial that's been penetrated maybe 70 times with 22g to 27g needles as I was microdosing it daily for a while, and a close up like this would look identical to the brand new one. Just amazing quality stopper material.
View attachment 349183

Printed some labels for each case for easy identification in the future
View attachment 349184View attachment 349185View attachment 349186View attachment 349187View attachment 349188

Here's the freezer;
View attachment 349189

Lots of room to grow, that's for sure!
View attachment 349190


Frosty!
View attachment 349193


Mast 200 crashes
View attachment 349194

Primo 150 doesn't seem to
View attachment 349195



I'll check others on the future, but it seems Test E 250 didn't, and neither did Tren Ace 100. This is purely academic, as heating will restore the hormone to suspension without issue.


Stay tuned for my next long term storage session. Probably going to transfer some DHB to Flurotec vials, and maybe make some custom concentrations with the 30ml Flurotec vials using Multi-Test 400 and Sustanon 500 with some lower concentration tests.

 

[Ghoul]

Ok im in the right forum now, i received the seals @AllGoodThings recomended, i have a whole frikkin roll , lol overkill , YES , I have the 30 ml ALK vials with FluroTec stoppers, ready for long term storage. I have alot of work ahead of me to transfer my oils into these new vials, but heres a quick start.

I’m sure you’ll enjoy the fruits of your efforts…

 

[Ateam2023]

I’m sure you’ll enjoy the fruits of your efforts…

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Hey , how did you get my picture,

 

[AllbrandNew]

I came across some silicone inserts for the hydra peak storage guys, and ordered one to check it out. My thinking over 3d printed was to hopefully be more resilient at much lower temperatures, as I have been watching local auctions for a ultra low temp freezer that isn't couch sized to pop up.

It took like 5 weeks to arrive, but it's a good fit and for ~$20, about the same or cheaper than printed options. Holds 48 3ml vials.


For funsies, I kind of want to see if I can modify one of the hyrda peak containers to install a fitting and pull a vacuum on the thing once it's full and cold for really really long term storage. Totally not necessary, but it'd be fun if nothing else.

Still fuzzy on freezing HGH, and it seems there's mixed info out there on degradation. I labeled and threw a vial of the HYB 36iu HGH in the freezer and one in the fridge (with the others being stored) so in a year or two- maybe longer- I have the opportunity to test if needed.

Insert came from Amazon, and that was the only place I found them before ordering.

 

[Ghoul]

I came across some silicone inserts for the hydra peak storage guys, and ordered one to check it out. My thinking over 3d printed was to hopefully be more resilient at much lower temperatures, as I have been watching local auctions for a ultra low temp freezer that isn't couch sized to pop up.

It took like 5 weeks to arrive, but it's a good fit and for ~$20, about the same or cheaper than printed options. Holds 48 3ml vials.View attachment 358356
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For funsies, I kind of want to see if I can modify one of the hyrda peak containers to install a fitting and pull a vacuum on the thing once it's full and cold for really really long term storage. Totally not necessary, but it'd be fun if nothing else.

Still fuzzy on freezing HGH, and it seems there's mixed info out there on degradation. I labeled and threw a vial of the HYB 36iu HGH in the freezer and one in the fridge (with the others being stored) so in a year or two- maybe longer- I have the opportunity to test if needed.

Insert came from Amazon, and that was the only place I found them before ordering.

Nothing really too confusing about rHGH (or any protein) degradation.

The colder it is, the slower it degrades.

The only caveat is freeze / thaw cycles do some degree of damage, and should be kept to a minimum (like one, if possible).

I’d say for a year or less, coldest part of the fridge is fine, over a year (and certainly multiple years) freezing may preserve more than is lost via a single freeze thaw cycle.

 

[AllbrandNew]

Nothing really too confusing about rHGH (or any protein) degradation.

The colder it is, the slower it degrades.

The only caveat is freeze / thaw cycles do some degree of damage, and should be kept to a minimum (like one, if possible).

I’d say for a year or less, coldest part of the fridge is fine, over a year (and certainly multiple years) freezing may preserve more than is lost via a single freeze thaw cycle.

Appreciate it. Seems there has been a lot of discussion (not specific to here) on freezing and, moisture aside, there are varying opinions. I can't see why even ultra low temp freezing would hurt (-60 to-84) given how it's lypholized, but it's certainly not my area of expertise.

I am on the lookout for something reasonably sized in that temp range, assuming it's not going to cause issues. Plus I can throw parts that are press fit in there to make life easier lol.

 

[Ghoul]

Appreciate it. Seems there has been a lot of discussion (not specific to here) on freezing and, moisture aside, there are varying opinions. I can't see why even ultra low temp freezing would hurt (-60 to-84) given how it's lypholized, but it's certainly not my area of expertise.

I am on the lookout for something reasonably sized in that temp range, assuming it's not going to cause issues. Plus I can throw parts that are press fit in there to make life easier lol.

Worst case scenario (improper lyophilization with excess moisture) I’ve read is 3% loss from a single freeze thaw. But typically, it <1% after years in -80c.

Portable -80c coolers seem ideal to me.

https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/technical-documents/technical-article/research-and-disease-areas/cell-and-developmental-biology-research/handling-and-storage


https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/technical-documents/technical-article/research-and-disease-areas/cell-and-developmental-biology-research/peptide-stability

 

[AllbrandNew]

Portable -80c coolers seem ideal to me.

For the cost and space, that makes sense. There are always pharma/chem/whatever companies hardware up for auction, and there have been a few good quality units up for CHEAP (sub $200, for example), but they are waaay too big for the use case. If and when I can find something small and cheap used, I would grab it no question.

 

[Ryan Veneficus]

No re-vialing today, but did some vial sealing for freezer prep. I recently got a 5cu ft manual defrost chest freezer, and it's a garage ready model, so it operates within a wide temperature range without issues. Not using that feature at the moment, as I put it in our bedroom. My wife is about as cool as can be with this stuff, so I get to buy and do what I want lol. Plan to fill (well, maybe not fill) this sucker up with oils, eventually. Today I added 116 vials to long term freezer storage.

Part way through removing caps and adding seals to some of the stuff that's getting frozen. I did this in the off chance that if the stoppers shrink enough to compromise the seal, perhaps the crimp and vial Sal sticker could maintain some level of seal
View attachment 349175

This takes way longer than you'd think. A small metal tool is used to push down any metal burst that are raised when removing the caps, then alcohol is used to clean the aluminum. Then the stickers need to be somewhat carefully lined up and applied without air bubbles, preferably.
After the seals are applied:View attachment 349176

Some of the specific compounds done today;
View attachment 349177View attachment 349178View attachment 349179View attachment 349180View attachment 349181View attachment 349182

A close of Opti's fantastic PTFE vial stopper and aluminum top. I have a trenbolone acetate vial that's been penetrated maybe 70 times with 22g to 27g needles as I was microdosing it daily for a while, and a close up like this would look identical to the brand new one. Just amazing quality stopper material.
View attachment 349183

Printed some labels for each case for easy identification in the future
View attachment 349184View attachment 349185View attachment 349186View attachment 349187View attachment 349188

Here's the freezer;
View attachment 349189

Lots of room to grow, that's for sure!
View attachment 349190


Frosty!
View attachment 349193


Mast 200 crashes
View attachment 349194

Primo 150 doesn't seem to
View attachment 349195



I'll check others on the future, but it seems Test E 250 didn't, and neither did Tren Ace 100. This is purely academic, as heating will restore the hormone to suspension without issue.


Stay tuned for my next long term storage session. Probably going to transfer some DHB to Flurotec vials, and maybe make some custom concentrations with the 30ml Flurotec vials using Multi-Test 400 and Sustanon 500 with some lower concentration tests.

Is there a possibility of the frozen crystals not fully remelting into solution and restoring the original mg/ml?
And if the oil isn't touching the stopper, would it be ok to freeze the original vials? I'm thinking I'd only need to freeze for 3 or 4 years to extend the shelf life of what I have, which isn't as much as you're storing.
This is fascinating to learn about. Thank you!

 

[Ligament]

Really neat project. How much of this project is just because you are a collector? Similar to baseball cards.

Is there any chance you actually use even 75% of this gear?

Do you think there is a significant risk of not being able to find these in 3 years? (If you look at availability over the past 50 years it's just getting easier and easier to get these compounds). This shortage is temporary. As long as demand exists people will find a way to supply.

When it freezes does it expand much? Is there a risk of vial rupture?

Assuming these compounds are available 3 years from now you would rather use your frozen old stuff rather than fresh? Or will you trash these and buy new stuff.

If this truly is the end - and these are unavailable forever - this is a big brain move.

 

[Ateam2023]

Today i made quick work of this kit of Mast e , " filtered" into a 30 ml Alk with flourotec stoppers vials for long term storage . And also some very good TNE that needed to be in a Alk vial. I was happy with my seals with these moisture resistant barrier film , by recommendation from @AllGoodThings . Anyway , next will be my stash of eq and Npp & Testosterone C , i dont have alot and thank god i already filtered all of it , lol

 

[Ghoul]

Really neat project. How much of this project is just because you are a collector? Similar to baseball cards.

Is there any chance you actually use even 75% of this gear?

Do you think there is a significant risk of not being able to find these in 3 years? (If you look at availability over the past 50 years it's just getting easier and easier to get these compounds). This shortage is temporary. As long as demand exists people will find a way to supply.

When it freezes does it expand much? Is there a risk of vial rupture?

Assuming these compounds are available 3 years from now you would rather use your frozen old stuff rather than fresh? Or will you trash these and buy new stuff.

If this truly is the end - and these are unavailable forever - this is a big brain move.

Water expands when frozen, oil shrinks.