Dave Croslands latest take on china raws

[Elektrobot]

I didn't say that Did I. I said they are all lying except 1 or 2 that only hint in certain directions and get scared when I ask more questions so I tend to trust that more. Im still in the dark but I know what stories are bullshit because I have heard BS versions similar. So what I do know is any full story given to a westerner is a lie.

I'm not saying daves idea is the end all. It was a perspective. And given that he has enough industry knowledge and connections to be called on by prosecutors as an expert witness in steroid legal matters.... that he might be a guy with some good new info.

But what you are selling us is that you are a human lie detector who can sense fear simply by hovering your hand over a whatsapp message

Then calling everything else bullshit

 

[Thorshammer]

When I see it with my own eyes, I will believe it. Until then not taking any speculation.

Which makes me wonder. Things seems to be really difficult, with some big China suppliers basically saying they are "waiting" because things are too bad even with their connections to get a reliable chain going currently. Yet I see some labs somehow seemely able to still have very good stock when I know they are also selling a lot.

No accusations at all, I just find that a little odd in certain circumstances. Either they are still finding old stock despite the high demand and low supply, or they have some special manufacturer that is able to remain under the radar.

I was getting stuff from a broker in India for several months then got a huge refund after they had a bunch of seizures and said they couldn't ship to the US right now. China isnt completely dry but its very limited availability and we really shouldn't openly engage on what that is publicly or it might end.

 

[narta]

Your collective anus should be primed with alot of lube if you are not well stocked up.

 

[Thorshammer]

I'm not saying daves idea is the end all. It was a perspective. And given that he has enough industry knowledge and connections to be called on by prosecutors as an expert witness in steroid legal matters.... that he might be a guy with some good new info.

But what you are selling us is that you are a human lie detector who can sense fear simply by hovering your hand over a whatsapp message

Then calling everything else bullshit

Well I was going on his past predictions that were completely wrong. And what does US legal battles in steroids have to do with internal Chinese issues. His knowledge is the same as the rest of us . Whatever bullshit story some Chinese factory rep told him.

 

[pipo]

I was getting stuff from a broker in India for several months then got a huge refund after they had a bunch of seizures and said they couldn't ship to the US right now. China isnt completely dry but its very limited availability and we really shouldn't openly engage on what that is publicly or it might end.

They can import raws that are available in India to China then ship worldwide from there?
Is a possibility why raws are still available from China because the origin is not from China?

 

[Psy-chonaut]

Would it change anything if rubbed my sweaty crystall balls, and the truth on whats going on in China suddenly revealed itself before my eyes - >Eeeeh No

Could we then change the world with this truth, and get cheap prices on primo n' mast back again => Eeehhh No

Just saying....

 

[Thorshammer]

Would it change anything if rubbed my sweaty crystall balls, and the truth on whats going on in China suddenly revealed itself before my eyes - >Eeeeh No

Could we then change the world with this truth, and get cheap prices on primo n' mast back again => Eeehhh No

Just saying....

Its way bigger than primo and mast. Mast E has been an issue since last year and when it was produced again it sold out fast and who can really afford to stockpile primo at 20k a KG . People are sitting on stockpiles they are not ordering shit except a couple items at random availability

 

[Whistles77]

I didn't say that Did I. I said they are all lying except 1 or 2 that only hint in certain directions and get scared when I ask more questions so I tend to trust that more. Im still in the dark but I know what stories are bullshit because I have heard BS versions similar. So what I do know is any full story given to a westerner is a lie.

@Thorshammer

Electrobot makes a valid point. You haven't yet made an introduction post. For someone who claims to have unique insight, until you do, i see a brocolli headed fantasist.


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[Psy-chonaut]

Its way bigger than primo and mast. Mast E has been an issue since last year and when it was produced again it sold out fast and who can really afford to stockpile primo at 20k a KG . People are sitting on stockpiles they are not ordering shit except a couple items at random availability

That is not what I was referring to....

( It is good/healthy to search for X aka. the truth in the background)
But If I now gave you the the truth, you could not use for it Sh!t - Another government is runing the show - so why waste your energy

 

[Ghoul]

First a reminder while AAS aren’t a major target on anyone’s radar, they are technically Scheduled drugs under US, Chinese, and international law just like Fentanyl, and no less illegal.

Also let’s not forget “raws” = precursor chemicals, and get lumped in with all other “synthetic drug precursors”.

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They’re all stretching for something easy to understand.

This is as close to it as you’re going to find.

China has long not only allowed, but encouraged the export of controlled drug precursors. Fentanyl has been the headline, but the official documents reporting on China’s dirty business always say “fentanyl and other synthetic drug precursors”. AAS falls under “other synthetic drugs”.

This is a violation of international treaties they’re obligated to follow, and against China’s own laws, but like everything else in that surveillance state, nothing goes on for long unless the CCP wants it to. They’ve paid lip service to “enforcement” for years, while not only looking the other way but generously subsidized the black market for drug precursor chemicals with tax rebates.

The crackdown, which was not only against AAS raws, but several hundred chemicals listed among those banned by international law from export to unauthorized parties, happened weeks after the last US election and an attempt to head off what had been long brewing in the US: severe trade sanctions to force the CCP to stop being the world’s major source of synthetic drug precursors.

It didn’t work, and in additional to other tariffs, a special drug related 20% punitive tariff was put into place, along with the condition that it wouldn’t be removed until there was evidence of the Chinese government getting out of the controlled drug business.

By my rough calculations, that “drug tariff” cost China around $7 billion in trade losses so far this year.

And now it looks like Chinese crackdowns that started last year are having an impact.

Fentanyl seizures and deaths are way down. Alternate synthetic opioids appeared that didn’t use the same precursors, but those are disappearing as well.

The are reports of fentanyl, which many addicts developed a taste for and no longer only got by being tricked into thinking it was another drug, is being cut with heroin, which had almost disappeared since fentanyl was so cheap. Now that fentanyl is getting tight, with the return of the Taliban Afghanistan has supposedly ramped up supply of heroin to meet opiate demand.

There’s been a recent shift on the street back to Meth, both to avoid th overdose death risk everyone knows aging but because Mexican cartels can make it very cheap without relying on Chinese chemicals. Cocaine from Columbia via Venezuela made a big comeback in the last year, being cheaper than ever, so we’ll probably see the 1990’s crackhead walk return to replace the “fentanyl slump” in inner cities soon.

The US just announced half the 20% drug penalty tariff was being removed for China’s “cooperation” against synthetic drugs. It looks like, at least for now, China’s decided being a worldwide narco supplier state wasn’t worth the price being imposed.

A year’s worth of illegal drug precursor profits probably wasn’t equal to a day’s worth of lost Chinese plastic straw exports. Definately not worth the $7 billion and counting in lost trade revenue.

Since half the special drug tariff is still in place, that China would like to see removed, and the half just suspended could easily snap back if bags of controlled drug white powders start being seen in increasing numbers by US customs again, not only do I doubt the raws business will be returning in any meaningful way, I think it’ll be suppressed even more.

Anyone deciding to give it another shot in China is taking a huge risk. If their behavior threatens to cause the just lifted tariffs to be reimposed, they might find themselves making up for the economic losses to China in a very personal way.

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[Thorshammer]

That is not what I was referring to....

( It is good/healthy to search for X aka. the truth in the background)
But If I now gave you the the truth, you could not use for it Sh!t - Another government is runing the show - so why waste your energy

I could make contingency plans more appropriately because this has been my primary source of income for over a decade. And know if a price increase is warranted .

 

[Psy-chonaut]

I could make contingency plans more appropriately because this has been my primary source of income for over a decade. And know if a price increase is warranted .

You have not read the rules of this forum, have you ?

You could 'maybe' get banned for that statement (admins will decide ) - but its indirect and iffy........

Just think before you write something revealing on how you earn your money.

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[Thorshammer]

You have not read the rules of this forum, have you ?

You could 'maybe' get banned for that statement (admins will decide ) - but its indirect and iffy........

Just think before you write something revealing on how you earn your money.

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Im not a vendor online Im 100% private and established. And dont trust these types of situations. Im only here to engage in conversation about what we're actually discussing at the moment actually. And I have a lot of experience i dont mind contributing to the home brew group. Not the gatekeeping type.

 

[adrenalytic]

Im not a vendor online Im 100% private and established. And dont trust these types of situations. Im only here to engage in conversation about what we're actually discussing at the moment actually. And I have a lot of experience i dont mind contributing to the home brew group. Not the gatekeeping type.

Nice intro bro. Now go post it in the correct forum.

 

[Thorshammer]

Nice intro bro. Now go post it in the correct forum.

That was a response to someone in this thread about my previous comment. I AM NOT SEEKING business here and will not give out my info. So there isnt another place to post it.

 

[Thorshammer]

Nice intro bro. Now go post it in the correct forum.

My intro is in the new members forum . Sorry I was a little late. To be honest I was lurking for more clues on the CN issue and possible alternatives and kinda got caught up engaging my fault

 

[pipo]

If that make this situation more sweeter. Remain to see if it will happen or not.
There are several sellers that said that but they say a lot of things also

 

[pipo]

Since half the special drug tariff is still in place, that China would like to see removed, and the half just suspended could easily snap back if bags of controlled drug white powders start being seen in increasing numbers by US customs again, not only do I doubt the raws business will be returning in any meaningful way, I think it’ll be suppressed even more.

They can send the raws from a country that rhymes with Kash Patel and suddenly it won't be a problem

 

[AlexDavis43]

Dave Crossland is full of shit

He has no secret insider information and was like what, a year late in addressing the China gear situation??

He probably signed on to Meso one day and read about the possibility of India sources (when the possibility was discussed recently) -- then in one recent podcast episode he literally picked up his phone and said he was checking with some of his Indian sources about gear availability .... .... I call bullshit

 

[pipo]

Dave Crossland is full of shit

He has no secret insider information and was like what, a year late in addressing the China gear situation??

He probably signed on to Meso one day and read about the possibility of India sources (when the possibility was discussed recently) -- then in one recent podcast episode he literally picked up his phone and said he was checking with some of his Indian sources about gear availability .... .... I call bullshit

It was a guy from China not India. I know that episode. It was end of July that.

His contacts in China are as good as mine. Some local UGL he might know some insides but he is a retire guy that doesn't buy or make serious business with China so what he knows is what we all know. Some speculation and connecting the dots but China is another world compared with what we live in and what is logic for us.
Add that to all propaganda we are constantly serve our image is not reflecting reality and habits from there.