Hybrid training with PEDs

[ThunderBear989]

So in general I know most of you guys here are focused on bodybuilding, powerlifting, and strongman but how many of you do a hybrid style training of lifting w/ long distance cardio, sprinting. Styles that are more sport athletics focused to be precise. For those of you that dabble in this area what was your experience like for meshing different lifting programs to the cardio portions. How and what gear did you find to work best for your situations?

Personally when I came back to exercise from a year off from an injury I followed John meadows programs naturally for a year. Then decided to go on a Trt+ regimen for the following year adding in structured blocks per season of running, sprinting, rowing, and jump rope. Going into year three I added a minor dose of npp just as a cushion.

My results were great. I still have a bit of a journey for the body composition but performance wise it’s been a nice steady climb. My lifts have consistently rose at a steady pace and dramatically increase when I added in the cardio segments. My cardio when getting on Trt+ just exploded past a few levels and then holds a slow gradual gain.

Over all while I’m not aiming for a show or sporting competition, my goal is just to enjoy the exercise and have the ability to physically do what ever I would like as I age.

 

[Zc7219]

I’ve always been a fan of the hybrid style. Keeps me feeling healthy.

What’s your TRT+?
Too much gear ruins my cardio regardless of what it is.

 

[Elektrobot]

So in general I know most of you guys here are focused on bodybuilding, powerlifting, and strongman but how many of you do a hybrid style training of lifting w/ long distance cardio, sprinting. Styles that are more sport athletics focused to be precise. For those of you that dabble in this area what was your experience like for meshing different lifting programs to the cardio portions. How and what gear did you find to work best for your situations?

Personally when I came back to exercise from a year off from an injury I followed John meadows programs naturally for a year. Then decided to go on a Trt+ regimen for the following year adding in structured blocks per season of running, sprinting, rowing, and jump rope. Going into year three I added a minor dose of npp just as a cushion.

My results were great. I still have a bit of a journey for the body composition but performance wise it’s been a nice steady climb. My lifts have consistently rose at a steady pace and dramatically increase when I added in the cardio segments. My cardio when getting on Trt+ just exploded past a few levels and then holds a slow gradual gain.

Over all while I’m not aiming for a show or sporting competition, my goal is just to enjoy the exercise and have the ability to physically do what ever I would like as I age.

I hear lots of guys are doing this: How to be both

 

[Foreverlost4]

I would look into mitochondrial based compounds and also Cardarine. SLU has been amazing when it comes to endurance, I’ve been experimenting with higher dosages recently and have been enjoying the boost. Also check out this vid.

View: https://youtu.be/MNw2K0ggCqA

 

[ThunderBear989]

I’ve always been a fan of the hybrid style. Keeps me feeling healthy.

What’s your TRT+?
Too much gear ruins my cardio regardless of what it is.

Exactly I was an athlete through college and had my ego, but now that I’m getting older the injuries are longer and kick harder. I am content just to keep feeling good.

I do 200mg every three days of test-c, 2.5 ml of hcg, and 1ml of test-p/npp during my cuts. If I’m maintaining or cruising I’ll replace equal amount of test-c for the npp.

Nothing overboard, pretty steady routine.

I hear lots of guys are doing this: How to be both

Intro to new members page?

I would look into mitochondrial based compounds and also Cardarine. SLU has been amazing when it comes to endurance, I’ve been experimenting with higher dosages recently and have been enjoying the boost. Also check out this vid.

View: https://youtu.be/MNw2K0ggCqA

Yeah I’m curious about the new items coming out in the future with research.

I did a cycle of Cardarine in prep for an event. It helped put quite a bit. I will say the changes that occurred from that compound are still noticeable. My yearly lung function is still at
Amateur athlete level.

 

[Elektrobot]

Intro to new members page?

Read the instructions like everyone else dude

 

[muscletrain]

If you're looking for endurance and just remaining healthy I would say just TRT levels of test and you can look into things specifically for endurance like:

ITPP (Works orally but much more worth it to brew it, has a bite) very underrated overlooked for endurance
DADA (Steve also discusses this, sometimes referred to as the best drug not on the WADA list)
Injectable L-Carnitine
Cardarine (To me the fact that the cancer studies and a giant drug company like GSK shelved it makes me say no thank you. Some will argue for it but screw that risk)

 

[ThunderBear989]

If you're looking for endurance and just remaining healthy I would say just TRT levels of test and you can look into things specifically for endurance like:

ITPP (Works orally but much more worth it to brew it, has a bite) very underrated overlooked for endurance
DADA (Steve also discusses this, sometimes referred to as the best drug not on the WADA list)
Injectable L-Carnitine
Cardarine (To me the fact that the cancer studies and a giant drug company like GSK shelved it makes me say no thank you. Some will argue for it but screw that risk)

I did a cycle of Cardarine for an event and was pleased with the results and they seem to be long lasting for me. But I find that the test give me the same effect it does, so I don’t think I’ll go down that route again.

I haven’t heard of the two I’ll have to look them up and do some research.

How does injectable carnitine compare to ingestion? I’m very intolerant of carnitine.

 

[muscletrain]

I did a cycle of Cardarine for an event and was pleased with the results and they seem to be long lasting for me. But I find that the test give me the same effect it does, so I don’t think I’ll go down that route again.

I haven’t heard of the two I’ll have to look them up and do some research.

How does injectable carnitine compare to ingestion? I’m very intolerant of carnitine.

Oral is pretty useless you'd need to take like 7 grams to equal the 500mg injected and then you deal with the other issue of oral which is TMAO.

Zero issues with injection and no PIP from experience but that depends on the brewer, would not go higher than 500-600mg/ml.

ITPP is HIGHLY underrated for endurance it became hard to find and just came back around lately it's just much more expensive. I refer to it as baby EPO but unlike EPO it doesn't turn your blood to sludge, it basically just makes your current RBC work better at transporting oxygen to the tune of around 10% or so. High safety profile, they've had cancer patients taking 17 grams via IV in a single day and most people are taking 500-1 gram per week.

Just have to make sure you're getting legitimate ITPP but a few sites have popped up with HPLC tested stuff it dissapeared for a few years after the China ban.

 

[wp_375]

So in general I know most of you guys here are focused on bodybuilding, powerlifting, and strongman but how many of you do a hybrid style training of lifting w/ long distance cardio, sprinting. Styles that are more sport athletics focused to be precise. For those of you that dabble in this area what was your experience like for meshing different lifting programs to the cardio portions. How and what gear did you find to work best for your situations?

Personally when I came back to exercise from a year off from an injury I followed John meadows programs naturally for a year. Then decided to go on a Trt+ regimen for the following year adding in structured blocks per season of running, sprinting, rowing, and jump rope. Going into year three I added a minor dose of npp just as a cushion.

My results were great. I still have a bit of a journey for the body composition but performance wise it’s been a nice steady climb. My lifts have consistently rose at a steady pace and dramatically increase when I added in the cardio segments. My cardio when getting on Trt+ just exploded past a few levels and then holds a slow gradual gain.

Over all while I’m not aiming for a show or sporting competition, my goal is just to enjoy the exercise and have the ability to physically do what ever I would like as I age.

Look up Alex Viada's Hybrid Athlete, I have his book and it covers everything from strongman and running a 5K to powerlifting while training for a triathlon. He coaches a lot of athletes who do both strength sports and running/cycling/triathlons.

If you want, PM me your email I think I have the early edition of his book on PDF. If you like it buy his 2.0 edition that is updated with a lot of new content.

The cliff notes are basically, eat a fuck load of carbs and try to consolidate training stimuli. IE, it's better to schedule your leg day and your training runs/rides on the same day so it is only one training stimulus to recover from versus doing legs one day and then a run the next. I found it pretty helpful back when I was in SOF, we had to be able to meet some pretty high run standards while also being strong.