Test:EQ mid cycle help

[Crobg52]

Alright I need some help and this will likely be seen as stupid.

Backstory:

I am 27, M competitor who is 10 weeks post show. Decided to blast 1 week post show as bloodwork showed great, including an ekg and wanted to try and get the most growth out of being post show stage lean. I am a very high aromatizer. I have ran 750 test 600 primo 400 eq in the past with no issues. In hopes of keeping gyno down for a national run sometime this next season, I decided to run a stupid, 1:2 test:eq ratio at 400:800 and recently last week started hcg 250iu mwf.

I am currently on week 9 of this cycle, and am experiencing high RHR, and major anxiety. Today my gym session was great, walked out the gym to the car to a major panic attack that did not subside for 30 mins. I thought I was done for. Even after this event got home and bp was 126/82. The last two weeks have had pretty bad typical anxiety. BP is 120-130/70-80 for the last 10 weeks.

I know eq anxiety is a thing and have not experienced this previously. I pulled e2 last Thursday and am awaiting results as it takes 9-12 days (avg result wait time). And have since then switched ratios to 800:400 test:eq.

Does this sound like an EQ issue? Crushed e2? Not sure what to do at this point being about halfway through the cycle and if I should just drop eq entirely and use ai for any high signs.

Once I get e2 results I will report back but I am fairly certain its low. I know high e2 based off of gyno flares and bp flares for me personally. The odd thing is in prep we crush e2 and I felt nothing like this.

Any suggestions at all?

 

[Arathorny]

E2 is likely tanked. You could try some low dose dbol maybe to bring up your e2 while you adjust to the new dosage. I’ve read some people taking like 10mg daily to boost e2 when it’s crashed. Good luck, crashed e2 sucks, happened to me this summer.

 

[BigDadd7]

E2 is crashed for sure

 

[RockyP]

Other than upping the test and lowering the EQ I would grab some high quality DHEA 100 mg daily that should help bump your E2 up quickly. It does sound like crushed e2 from EQ. Also you were post show so I’m assuming very lean and coming off of using heavy AI’s in final weeks, also perhaps aromatizing less than usual due to minimal fat mass.

 

[Crobg52]

E2 is crashed for sure

Low for sure. But “in range”? I never had it this low

 

[Crobg52]

Other than upping the test and lowering the EQ I would grab some high quality DHEA 100 mg daily that should help bump your E2 up quickly. It does sound like crushed e2 from EQ. Also you were post show so I’m assuming very lean and coming off of using heavy AI’s in final weeks, also perhaps aromatizing less than usual due to minimal fat mass.

I replied to someone else with my e2. 8pg/ml, somehow still “in range” but definitely low.

I also received mid cycle lipid panel and its not great. Especially particle size. Id love to come off and cruise, but with e2 being crushed by eq, Im basically forced to keep test up for a few weeks before eq clears some to even drop test dose.
Ive dropped the eq two days ago entirely. So I guess I have to wait it out now..

Every panel other than lipids is in range. I think the lipid particle size may be whats causing the high rhr, on top of e2 being low so cholesterol cant metabolize. I am in for a long health phase as soon as I can..

 

[RockyP]

I replied to someone else with my e2. 8pg/ml, somehow still “in range” but definitely low.

I also received mid cycle lipid panel and its not great. Especially particle size. Id love to come off and cruise, but with e2 being crushed by eq, Im basically forced to keep test up for a few weeks before eq clears some to even drop test dose.
Ive dropped the eq two days ago entirely. So I guess I have to wait it out now..

Every panel other than lipids is in range. I think the lipid particle size may be whats causing the high rhr, on top of e2 being low so cholesterol cant metabolize. I am in for a long health phase as soon as I can..

I have the same issue with particle size. My cardiologist said it adds a risk factor but how much is unknown. End of the day it’s all about crushing LDL as low as possible.

 

[Crobg52]

I have the same issue with particle size. My cardiologist said it adds a risk factor but how much is unknown. End of the day it’s all about crushing LDL as low as possible.

I started yesterday 10mg ezetimibe, as well as changing a lot of my carb sources to more potato/brown rice for now while adding in some more healthy fats like avocado oil. Im just stuck in a shitty transitional period now until I can possibly go on a cruise. Need eq to clear so I can be done with it entirely. I’ll spend the money for a cleaner cycle like primo or mast lol

 

[IndividualMan]

. But “in range”?

there is no lower end for male E2 range in some reference ranges for some reason. You can see, the "in range" area goes all the way down to 0. Even though it clearly has negative health impacts, some labs/docs just do not think it is important because it is a "woman hormone"

 

[IndividualMan]

I’ll spend the money for a cleaner cycle like primo or mast lol

just do not run your EQ 2x higher than your test, flip it to 2:1 or 3:1 Test:EQ. No funny business, man

 

[Crobg52]

there is no lower end for male E2 range in some reference ranges for some reason. You can see, the "in range" area goes all the way down to 0. Even though it clearly has negative health impacts, some labs/docs just do not think it is important because it is a "woman hormone"

Understood. Absolutely agree to this. Thought it was funny how it went down to 0 and in green and im like that cant be right

 

[LGOP528]

I started yesterday 10mg ezetimibe, as well as changing a lot of my carb sources to more potato/brown rice for now while adding in some more healthy fats like avocado oil. Im just stuck in a shitty transitional period now until I can possibly go on a cruise. Need eq to clear so I can be done with it entirely. I’ll spend the money for a cleaner cycle like primo or mast lol

Adding Ment is what helps these issues for me. You are a high aromatizer so you don’t need much.

 

[Crobg52]

just do not run your EQ 2x higher than your test, flip it to 2:1 or 3:1 Test:EQ. No funny business, man

Did you see lipid panel? Its absolutely fucked currently. I switched test to 800 for now dropped eq, but need to wait atleast 2 weeks for eq to drop further before I even consider lowering test any more to a cruise/health phase. Do you have any thoughts on what I should do at this point?

 

[malfeasance]

I replied to someone else with my e2. 8pg/ml, somehow still “in range” but definitely low.

I also received mid cycle lipid panel and its not great. Especially particle size. Id love to come off and cruise, but with e2 being crushed by eq, Im basically forced to keep test up for a few weeks before eq clears some to even drop test dose.
Ive dropped the eq two days ago entirely. So I guess I have to wait it out now..

Every panel other than lipids is in range. I think the lipid particle size may be whats causing the high rhr, on top of e2 being low so cholesterol cant metabolize. I am in for a long health phase as soon as I can..

My e2 was 7 when I ran 75 mg of testosterone a week for about two years. My doctor told me to increase my testosterone.

 

[Crobg52]

Adding Ment is what helps these issues for me. You are a high aromatizer so you don’t need much.

Dont have any on hand, and have considered but Im to the point of I do not want to fuck around and make things any bit worse. What are your thoughts on the dbol, as its methyl estradiol and I do have that on hand.

 

[LGOP528]

Dont have any on hand, and have considered but Im to the point of I do not want to fuck around and make things any bit worse. What are your thoughts on the dbol, as its methyl estradiol and I do have that on hand.

I use it when I am a little low but I was having to eat too many for me to keep up with primo. I can’t use primo. Also using an injectable is better for your lipids.

There are some domestic sources here that have it.

 

[Crobg52]

I use it when I am a little low but I was having to eat too many for me to keep up with primo. I can’t use primo. Also using an injectable is better for your lipids.

There are some domestic sources here that have it.

I agree on injectable being better. Im assuming ment ace would be best for the quickest acting?

again with the rhr, im sitting on the couch and have between 92-99 rhr just sitting. Im weary of adding anything else that can potentially make this worse. For context, ive tried nebivolol up to 10mg, propanolol, and atenolol, all have had ZERO effect on rhr where as typically id see a reduction in an hour on any of these.

 

[LGOP528]

Dont have any on hand, and have considered but Im to the point of I do not want to fuck around and make things any bit worse. What are your thoughts on the dbol, as its methyl estradiol and I do have that on hand.

Just wanted to clarify that I was trying to say Ment would be better for your lipids compared to oral Dbol. I wasn’t suggesting taking injectable Dbol.

 

[Crobg52]

Just wanted to clarify that I was trying to say Ment would be better for your lipids compared to oral Dbol. I wasn’t suggesting taking injectable Dbol.

Haha, I appreciate the clarification but I figured it was the ment lol

 

[LGOP528]

I agree on injectable being better. Im assuming ment ace would be best for the quickest acting?

again with the rhr, im sitting on the couch and have between 92-99 rhr just sitting. Im weary of adding anything else that can potentially make this worse. For context, ive tried nebivolol up to 10mg, propanolol, and atenolol, all have had ZERO effect on rhr where as typically id see a reduction in an hour on any of these.

You are probably stressing yourself the fuck out. Fix your E2 and everything else should follow.