Retatrutide or Tirzepatide for recomp?

[thegentleman]

I recently started lifting again after taking about a year off due to an injury. I’m currently around 20–25% body fat and plan to do a cut while focusing on body recomp. Im 5'7 at 155 lbs atm.

Between retatrutide and tirzepatide, which would be more appropriate for my situation? What would be a safe starting dosage, and how should I increase it over time? For context, I also have high blood pressure and elevated hematocrit levels as of recently.

 

[cousinmuscles]

Hello and good luck with your goals and good for you for taking initiative to improve yourself and your health.

At your stage I would advise you to perfect your training, diet and recovery first, before adding any compound. Start by posting up your diet, training split, sleep schedule/work schedule et.c.

Re BP and hematocrit, hard to know for anyone here unless you give more context. You are better off consulting with a doctor and having those issues fixed first.

 

[BlackVeil]

You need to eat and bulk… gain some muscle.

 

[adrenalytic]

I also have high blood pressure and elevated hematocrit levels

Maybe work some cardio into your routines. Honestly, you're not fat enough for a GLP-1. You have zero muscle and a GLP-1 will only make it worse. You need food to grow. Eat, sleep and lift. Come back in a year when you've put on some muscle.

 

[Cage99]

If you’re looking for more appetite suppression then Tirzepatide would be the better choice of the two. Start with a low dose of either .5mg or 1mg per week. Best to split the dose between 2 or 3 injects, but it’s not mandatory.

This will kill any food noise. Utilize this time to dial in your diet. Begin cardio if you haven’t yet. Then focus on weightlifting. Once you get to 10% or lower you’ll be primed for a growth period!!!!!

Cage

 

[BigDadd7]

You need neither for a recomp. And you're no where near 20-25%. Just dial in your diet and lift heavy.

 

[BigDadd7]

If you’re looking for more appetite suppression then Tirzepatide would be the better choice of the two. Start with a low dose of either .5mg or 1mg per week. Best to split the dose between 2 or 3 injects, but it’s not mandatory.

This will kill any food noise. Utilize this time to dial in your diet. Begin cardio if you haven’t yet. Then focus on weightlifting. Once you get to 10% or lower you’ll be primed for a growth period!!!!!

Cage

No. .5- 1mg is below any established dosing via testing. The minimum dose is 2.5mg. Similarly, there are zero clinical studies showing injecting more than once a week has any additional effect. Respectfully, that is peptide broscience. There has been million$ poured into clinical trials. Not a single one of those supports what you've suggested.

KISS: Starting dose 2.5, once per week.

 

[ve79]

I recently started lifting again after taking about a year off due to an injury. I’m currently around 20–25% body fat and plan to do a cut while focusing on body recomp. Im 5'7 at 155 lbs atm.

Between retatrutide and tirzepatide, which would be more appropriate for my situation? What would be a safe starting dosage, and how should I increase it over time? For context, I also have high blood pressure and elevated hematocrit levels as of recently.

Hey little bro your a young man and my advice is don't take any compounds. Get your training and diet dialed in and be disaplent. I'm not insulted you but your young enough to achieve awesome results naturally. Take you time before making any of these decisions

 

[hexagonal]

You're one of the few people I've seen estimating high on your bf%.

After taking a year off you've got muscle memory gains on the table - whatever you lost, you'll be able to get back much faster than it took to build it the first time.

Get your diet dialed in, get back into regularly lifting, see how things look after you give yourself some time. I don't know how long you were lifting before and how much muscle you lost, but if you had been lifting for a few years and lost 10-15lb and put that back on? You'll look radically different.

Between already being leaner than you think you are and some muscle memory/noob again gains, you shouldn't need a GLP-1 to recomp. You'll almost certainly be in the position to need to bulk before you realize it if you get your diet and training even remotely right.

 

[thegentleman]

Hey little bro your a young man and my advice is don't take any compounds. Get your training and diet dialed in and be disaplent. I'm not insulted you but your young enough to achieve awesome results naturally. Take you time before making any of these decisions

Valid criticism, Ive lifted for 3 years before stopping and feel like Ive lost 90% of what I had. Due to poor dietary decisions while recovering I feel pretty fat and bloated. Ive tried cutting in the last month but the food noise is pretty bad, especially at night. Its to the point where I need to load up all my calories before I go to bed to get a good nights rest. I understand taking any compounds isnt 100% safe, but from what I understand glp1s usually have low side effects besides gut issues and heart palpitations in some rare cases.

 

[BigDadd7]

Valid criticism, Ive lifted for 3 years before stopping and feel like Ive lost 90% of what I had. Due to poor dietary decisions while recovering I feel pretty fat and bloated. Ive tried cutting in the last month but the food noise is pretty bad, especially at night. Its to the point where I need to load up all my calories before I go to bed to get a good nights rest. I understand taking any compounds isnt 100% safe, but from what I understand glp1s usually have low side effects besides gut issues and heart palpitations in some rare cases.

So tighten up your diet?

 

[thegentleman]

You're one of the few people I've seen estimating high on your bf%.

After taking a year off you've got muscle memory gains on the table - whatever you lost, you'll be able to get back much faster than it took to build it the first time.

Get your diet dialed in, get back into regularly lifting, see how things look after you give yourself some time. I don't know how long you were lifting before and how much muscle you lost, but if you had been lifting for a few years and lost 10-15lb and put that back on? You'll look radically different.

Between already being leaner than you think you are and some muscle memory/noob again gains, you shouldn't need a GLP-1 to recomp. You'll almost certainly be in the position to need to bulk before you realize it if you get your diet and training even remotely right.

I plan to use a glp1 to have an easier cut before I come off and just bulk as normal. The only reason im even considering GLP1s is because ive had terrible sleep as of late and the food noise during a cut isnt really helping

 

[thegentleman]

So tighten up your diet?

thats what im doing right now

 

[BigDadd7]

thats what im doing right now

Good, because you are not fat

 

[thegentleman]

Good, because you are not fat

I gained 10 lbs last month alone. All of it comes down to me getting late night cravings and not being able to sleep because of them.

 

[BigDadd7]

If that's the case, I've had great luck running 2.5mg tirz on a recomp for a while now. Zero food noise and my weight has stayed within a pound or so every week. I previously used it at higher does to drop 25 lbs. I'm a big fan of it.

 

[Ghoul]

I gained 10 lbs last month alone. All of it comes down to me getting late night cravings and not being able to sleep because of them.

Yeah that's not uncommon. A little Tirz will help with recomp, tamp down your appetite, and actually help your overall health, unlike other PEDs. You could easily make the case GLPs administered starting in childhood would likely result in less disease and longer lifespan, so it's pretty difficult to argue against.

As far as night eating / sleep. Don't be averse to having a snack an hour or so before sleep. If tirz brings down your total caloric intake, having something before bed that allows you to sleep through the night is not inherently bad for you.

 

[thegentleman]

If that's the case, I've had great luck running 2.5mg tirz on a recomp for a while now. Zero food noise and my weight has stayed within a pound or so every week. I previously used it at higher does to drop 25 lbs. I'm a big fan of it.

Sounds good! Is there any reason to use reta rather than tirz? I know it has more sides like heart palpitations that tirz does not. But it also targets more glp receptors than tirz. For me the bigger issue is food noise reduction rather than weight loss. As even during as small deficit I get cravings at night and it affects my sleep which then affects my gains.

 

[Ghoul]

Sounds good! Is there any reason to use reta rather than tirz? I know it has more sides like heart palpitations that tirz does not. But it also targets more glp receptors than tirz. For me the bigger issue is food noise reduction rather than weight loss. As even during as small deficit I get cravings at night and it affects my sleep which then affects my gains.

More sleep issues associated with Reta. It raises base metabolic rate, particular through heart stimulation,

Newer is not always better, depending on needs. I genuinely think your specific requirements would benefit more from Tirz.

 

[thegentleman]

More sleep issues associated with Reta. It raises base metabolic rate, particular through heart stimulation,

Newer is not always better, depending on needs. I genuinely thing your specific requirements would benefit more from Tirz.

gotcha, that would be counterproductive then. Ill stick to tirz. Any other compounds good for sleep? Im currently using cannabis and it helps me fall asleep faster but the sleep quality is worse. Ive heard gh secretagogues help but they work through the ghrelin receptor which I feel like would be counterproductive as well. Also issues with insulin resistance but thats anything that affects gh.