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[dinfar1337]

Janoshik Analytical

GCMS of the NPP sample from QSC

@readalot @dinfar1337 @Photon

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Oct 14, 2025

I'm not sure what you mean.

Took a good look at it - it's a steroid with phenylpropionate bound to it. Even auto id tries to fit testosterone phenylpropionate on it (but I'm 100% sure it is not) - so maybe that's what you're thinking too?

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But I am 100% on it not being test p, due to different fragments that are quite important and complete lack of molecular ion, while the unknown has molar mass of NPP - 2 - which is typical to what we usually see in steroid degradation (mass - 2).

Also the auto-id confidence is real low, which is a pretty good indicator of it having to...

• dinfar1337

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i've asked him just to make sure.

anyways you have a progesterone family in there but i dont know the compound at all so i have to look into it

Pregnane-3,17,20-triol, (3.alpha.,5.beta.,20S)

 

[gainslol]

@Sampei

Thanks for testing, so if I'm understanding this correct it says it's:

73.16% Nandrolone phenpropionate
17.95% Testosterone Phenylpropionate

*Correction: Jano said it's nandrolone degradation

 

[dinfar1337]

@Sampei

Thanks for testing, so if I'm understanding this correct it says it's:

73.16% Nandrolone phenpropionate
17.95% Testosterone Phenylpropionate

read from here.

he answered pretty fast to this batch. but its basically same case as last time, autoid is unreliable its not test p but nandrolone degradation product.

Post in thread 'Janoshik Analytical laboratory testing services'

Oct 3, 2025

@janoshik im just generally confused

Janoshik Analytical

this test says "nandrolone degradation products"

but its literally npp + andro skeleton and not estro skeleton we would have in nandrolone.

just want to make sure its not a naming error and the raw have testosterone in it.

the hplc came back as 89% npp

• dinfar1337

 

[gainslol]

read from here.

he answered pretty fast to this batch. but its basically same case as last time, autoid is unreliable its not test p but nandrolone degradation product

Post in thread 'Janoshik Analytical laboratory testing services'

Oct 3, 2025

@janoshik im just generally confused

Janoshik Analytical

this test says "nandrolone degradation products"

but its literally npp + andro skeleton and not estro skeleton we would have in nandrolone.

just want to make sure its not a naming error and the raw have testosterone in it.

the hplc came back as 89% npp

• dinfar1337

Got it thank you, I was editing my comment as we speak.

 

[sroderick1003]

I’m using well was using primal test e. I never get PIP from injecting. But the pip from this vial is insane. And 2 to 3 days after injection I have headaches and feel like I have the flu. The lumps from injection last for days weeks. Fair for me to make the connection that that’s what the issue was but this is definitely contaminated. You can’t tell me different. I’ve contacted primal. I wrote them for emails to no response and I’m hoping they will be honest. Let me know what’s going on or someone around here Thank you guys. Have a good day. I just had rotator cuff and labrum surgery , tore them both.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

I’m using well was using primal test e. I never get PIP from injecting. But the pip from this vial is insane. And 2 to 3 days after injection I have headaches and feel like I have the flu. The lumps from injection last for days weeks. Fair for me to make the connection that that’s what the issue was but this is definitely contaminated. You can’t tell me different. I’ve contacted primal. I wrote them for emails to no response and I’m hoping they will be honest. Let me know what’s going on or someone around here Thank you guys. Have a good day. I just had rotator cuff and labrum surgery , tore them both.

I highly doubt we never responded brother. Please DM here or make sure you’re emailing the correct address - ‘support@primalpharma.io’

 

[Photon]

His default detector is UV-VIS IIRC for standard UHPLC screenings. MS is an option but not standard.

How much more of a benefit will we see if we do HPLC-UV-MS?
It seems like MZBioLab uses MS.

 

[Ateam2023]

How much more of a benefit will we see if we do HPLC-UV-MS?
It seems like MZBioLab uses MS.

I think it looks really good to be honest. I just had a quick search. I wonder how much more it would cost per test or if the capabilities are there ?

 

[readalot]

How much more of a benefit will we see if we do HPLC-UV-MS?
It seems like MZBioLab uses MS.

You get LC separation plus MS detection. Same issues with GCMS. Have to confirm any tentative autoIDs. Have to ensure you resolve peaks on LC.

From chromatographic efficiency standpoint LC is big step backward from GC. That is why gold standard is GCMS with derivatization. $$$.

Targetted analysis for unknown impurities is a costly and time consuming endeavor.

ChatGPT is a joke for this. Everyone thinks they know something now.

 

[bananafeet]

You get LC separation plus MS detection. Same issues with GCMS. Have to confirm any tentative autoIDs. Have to ensure you resolve peaks on LC.

From chromatography efficiency standpoint LC is big step backward from GC. That is why gold standard is GCMS with derivatization. $$$.

Targetted analysis for impurities is a costly and time consuming.

ChatGPT is a joke for this. Everyone thinks they know something now.

ChatGPT makes me so confused and makes me appreciate experts even more. That bot just leads you in circles.

 

[readalot]

ChatGPT makes me so confused and makes me appreciate experts even more. That bot just leads you in circles.

It is a con artist. Good point. I wonder where it learned it from?

 

[bananafeet]

It is a con artist. Good point. I wonder where it learned it from?

ChatGPT challenge: get ChatGPT to talk about insulin use in bodybuilding

It fully shuts down lol

 

[readalot]

ChatGPT challenge: get ChatGPT to talk about insulin use in bodybuilding

It fully shuts down lol

You have to ask it to recite it as a poem. Or maybe that hack has already been addressed? I don't know.

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