Test + primo intermediate cycle?

[Daz_900]

Good morning,

Back ground is 10 years lifting now 33 years old weight is 89kg roughly 8-9% body fat currently.

Previous cycle experiences include test E, anavar, tbol, tren, masteron, NPP.

I am with a new coach now in reverse dieting phase priming for next lean mass phase. Doses not yet discussed but it has been suggested to run test E + primo + masteron total duration 12 weeks.

I have PCT plan in place I have used over previous cycles. My question is with primo & masteron being mild compared to other substances & while I admit I'm not looking to blast ridiculous doses or gear choices does this seem like an effective stack for a lean mass phase?

I am aware NPP / deca will cause water bloat that can add to scale in a non effective way, I haven't experienced EQ but always though primobolan & masteron were primarily used as a cutting stack for it's anti catabolism effects & hardening finish while not unheard of in a mass phase I am dubious for the cost if this is worth the bang for buck in results considering goal to add mass.

Thank you for any support.

 

[Eddie.]

I wouldn't run mast outside of last weeks on a cutting phase. Test and Primo is a great combo for any phase, i would just replace the milligrams from mast to somewhat equal amounts on test and Primo.

For example, if you were about to do 400 test, 300 mast, 300 Primo I'd do instead 600 test and 400 primo. Potentially better anabolism from those 2 compounds in higher dosages than with the added mast. Just a brief example, fwiw i can only do 2/1 test to primo to maintain a healthy e2.

 

[IndividualMan]

I second this. the mast will mostly just be a temporary improvement in your look so your coach can say:look its working

 

[Daz_900]

He did mention the masteron was for the DHT effect to balance the influx of estrogen.

So there is confidence I'll make decent growth off 12 weeks primo? Not expecting 15-20lbs obviously but a noticeable change. As that's my concern as I will be in PCT after then not cycling for at least another 12 weeks assuming blood work shows recovery

 

[IndividualMan]

He did mention the masteron was for the DHT effect to balance the influx of estrogen.

So there is confidence I'll make decent growth off 12 weeks primo? Not expecting 15-20lbs obviously but a noticeable change. As that's my concern as I will be in PCT after then not cycling for at least another 12 weeks assuming blood work shows recovery

holy gaining and losing the same 7-12 lbs of muscle for the rest of your life (or until you decide to stop being a pussy and stay on test indefinitely)

 

[Daz_900]

Having done 5 cycles total with various from mild to more suppressing compounds I may lose a little but I have never dropped the entire amount made.

This is excluding water due to higher estrogen on wetter compounds or more suppressive such as tren.

Anyone else had a different view on this? Even pros come off everything even TRT for a break to the body. Not all of course but many have successfully that are not in that 230+ lbs range

holy gaining and losing the same 7-12 lbs of muscle for the rest of your life (or until you decide to stop being a pussy and stay on test indefinitely)

 

[120nmol]

Can you share your physic ? Post a photo please
Something doesn’t add up ..

 

[RockyP]

Test and Primo is great - very versatile. Given how lean your are i'd prob start with a 2:1 ratio of test to primo and check your labs in 4 weeks or so to make sure E2 is in check. You'll get a lot of different opinions but you could also run Mast instead, though it's redundant to run them both.

So something like

Test 500 / Primo 300 or Test 400 / Mast 400 - again you will get a lot of different opinions on the anabolic potential of Masteron - just know that a lot of high level competitors / professionals run it in their off season and they are not doing it for cosmetics.