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YoungB

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Yes, I know. This has been discussed several times and I've made some research on it before posting.

Injecting HGH at night definitely destroys my sleep. I wake up wired after 2 - 3 hours and I'm unable to go back to sleep. I've tried to push through it but after 5 months my body doesn't seem to adjust and like it does for some people.

The obvious answer is switch to morning injections but I have perfect blood sugar numbers now (I'm taking a bolus 4iu dose before bed) and I don't want to mess up my insulin sensitivity by taking it in the morning as I have to train early in the day and I have most of my carbs around that time window. I tried sometimes to dose early in the morning before a fasted cardio sesion at 2iu sometimes and the lethargy I have all morning is unbeliveable. It makes me sleepy in the morning but doesn't allow me to sleep at night... Fuck it.

How long should I wait to have my carbs or my first meal if I inject first thing in the morning to avoid insulin resistance issues? Any tips to overcome the extreme tiredness that comes with it?
 
YoungB said:
Yes, I know. This has been discussed several times and I've made some research on it before posting.

Injecting HGH at night definitely destroys my sleep. I wake up wired after 2 - 3 hours and I'm unable to go back to sleep. I've tried to push through it but after 5 months my body doesn't seem to adjust and like it does for some people.

The obvious answer is switch to morning injections but I have perfect blood sugar numbers now (I'm taking a bolus 4iu dose before bed) and I don't want to mess up my insulin sensitivity by taking it in the morning as I have to train early in the day and I have most of my carbs around that time window. I tried sometimes to dose early in the morning before a fasted cardio sesion at 2iu sometimes and the lethargy I have all morning is unbeliveable. It makes me sleepy in the morning but doesn't allow me to sleep at night... Fuck it.

How long should I wait to have my carbs or my first meal if I inject first thing in the morning to avoid insulin resistance issues? Any tips to overcome the extreme tiredness that comes with it?
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i wait 2 hours myself after my morning hgh, Then i have a light carb meal , then train then have more carbs through the rest of the day.
 
I do the same as Ateam with a 2 hour block before carbs if I do am dosing followed by light carbs. I suspect you’ll have an even easier time with blood sugar as you’ll be moving around and lifting while at the height of the insulin impact of hgh denting it’s overall impact. Sucks you get lethargic from it in the morning. Maybe upping caffeine for a few weeks until you adjust would help?
 
songsofpyramids said:
I do the same as Ateam with a 2 hour block before carbs if I do am dosing followed by light carbs. I suspect you’ll have an even easier time with blood sugar as you’ll be moving around and lifting while at the height of the insulin impact of hgh denting it’s overall impact. Sucks you get lethargic from it in the morning. Maybe upping caffeine for a few weeks until you adjust would help?
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I thought the peak was around 4 hours for subq and 2 hours for IM injection. I would be causing an increase in blood sugar right at the same time is peaking if I eat after 2 hours right? Have you noticed any signs of insulin resistance taking it in the morning?

I don't remember where, but I've heard that taking it at any time other than at night is what causes most of the side effects because you're eating through the day while is active.
 
Have you checked if you started snoring and potentially have rapid onset OSA? Really easy way to check. Install a snoring app on your phone and you'll know tomorrow. This was the issue for me. i sleep much better now that i fixed it.
 
YoungB said:
I thought the peak was around 4 hours for subq and 2 hours for IM injection. I would be causing an increase in blood sugar right at the same time is peaking if I eat after 2 hours right?
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Not if you’re up moving around and lifting. I’ve seen coaches suggest that it is even less insulin harming to do am shots than night dosing because you move around reducing the glucose impact. Someone posted a study, I think Type IIX, showing 2-3 hours was more than enough low insulin window post injection. If you’re healthy and active with good insulin sensitivity I don’t think you have a ton to worry about.
 
YoungB said:
Yes, I know. This has been discussed several times and I've made some research on it before posting.

Injecting HGH at night definitely destroys my sleep. I wake up wired after 2 - 3 hours and I'm unable to go back to sleep. I've tried to push through it but after 5 months my body doesn't seem to adjust and like it does for some people.

The obvious answer is switch to morning injections but I have perfect blood sugar numbers now (I'm taking a bolus 4iu dose before bed) and I don't want to mess up my insulin sensitivity by taking it in the morning as I have to train early in the day and I have most of my carbs around that time window. I tried sometimes to dose early in the morning before a fasted cardio sesion at 2iu sometimes and the lethargy I have all morning is unbeliveable. It makes me sleepy in the morning but doesn't allow me to sleep at night... Fuck it.

How long should I wait to have my carbs or my first meal if I inject first thing in the morning to avoid insulin resistance issues? Any tips to overcome the extreme tiredness that comes with it?
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Same happened to me on low dose. Listened some Kurt havens videos and he said this can happen because your body is probably producing more GH natually than the exogenous injection at night time. Upping the dose should help, it did for me.
 
mongo5165 said:
Same happened to me on low dose. Listened some Kurt havens videos and he said this can happen because your body is probably producing more GH natually than the exogenous injection at night time. Upping the dose should help, it did for me.
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I'm taking 4iu... No way my body was producing more than that naturally lol. I'd try a bolus 6iu but I feel it will make things worse
 
mongo5165 said:
Same happened to me on low dose. Listened some Kurt havens videos and he said this can happen because your body is probably producing more GH natually than the exogenous injection at night time. Upping the dose should help, it did for me.
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Kurt Havens talking out of his ass per usual. No matter the amount I take before bed I CANNOT sleep. 2 4 6 8 10 or 12ui. There is no WAY my body is producing 4ui+ naturally.
 
I do 6-8ius in morning fasted cardio, then eat 3-5 hours later, I do 18-6 feeding, sleep is great, never could sleep well with nightly injections been off on for 5-6 years. I finishing up my last kit then gonna run Tesamorelin for the first time gonna try nightly first.
 
Just a quick update. I've switched to morning injections for the last few days and I've been waking up with fasting bg at around 104 - 108... Ive tested it more times during the day after meals and is around 90-100.

Before this I usually had fbg around 84. So, for me I think is key to take my dose away from food and fast after it as much as possible.

I'm not noticing better sleep anyway...
 
professionaldyel said:
Kurt Havens talking out of his ass per usual. No matter the amount I take before bed I CANNOT sleep. 2 4 6 8 10 or 12ui. There is no WAY my body is producing 4ui+ naturally.
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I would agree, that anything above 4iu is silly to think the body would produce that naturally but I think kurt was referring more to the lower range of the scale. He's the only AAS educator/user that has a true PhD in endocrinology. Always trust but verify but he deserves alot more attention than other retards out there. He hardly talks out his ass bro
 
I was having pretty bad insomnia when dosing before bed as well, switched to full dose am and really noticed a BIG difference with sleep quality. Feels good
 
mongo5165 said:
I would agree, that anything above 4iu is silly to think the body would produce that naturally but I think kurt was referring more to the lower range of the scale. He's the only AAS educator/user that has a true PhD in endocrinology. Always trust but verify but he deserves alot more attention than other retards out there. He hardly talks out his ass bro
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I dont have a horse in this race because "AAS educators" bring almost no value to the community. We know what all of non exotic oils and orals do and have for a LONG time.

He doesn't have a PhD in endocrinology hes a candidate

like everyone else who wants to feel intelligent he brings up studies that were done decades ago under subpar conditions for OUR population to make xyz point - and in addition doesn't EVER cite them the funniest being tbol "killing 100s of people", test cyp being "ineffective" because its never been studied, and npp being "bad and useless because of the clearance rate and that pp is in and out too quick. My absolute favorite "talking out of his ass" arguments is that pinning ED is silly because you're missing the high peak of a hormone.

He'd have more attention if he didnt sprint head first into a paid forum and put out content on YouTube.
 
For those of you that switched from p.m. to a.m. how long did it take for sleep to get better. I just switched to mornings. I haven't slept past 2 in weeks. I thought it was something else but I'm really hoping switching my shot time does the trick. It's actually getting dangerous because I'm falling asleep behind the wheel.
 
songsofpyramids said:
Anyone know why ateam got banned?
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KW knows
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