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[k710]

Hey all,

I had the pleasure of running into a few of you guys in the forums already, but wanted to willingly introduce myself
(I swear I didnt get bullied and called a cop immediately for not having this up..)

I'm K, 36yrs old. Been into nutrition and training consistently for 2-3yrs now. I started my trip down the rabbit hole of peds via peptides to help with an injury. I fucked up my neck and well.. fastforward 2 cervical surgeries, a couple implants and what feels like endless hours of therapy.. I was finally anatomically healed. Tried getting back in the gym but the flares up would take me out for a week or two every once in a while and felt like I was getting nowhere. The good ol yo-yo. This is where I decided to finally poke myself and try to leverage peptides for my healing.

Now, a couple years later and I finally jumped on testosterone. I tried avoiding it having already decent natural levels, but I ran into more trouble than results trying to increase my natural test production. Enclomiphene almost turned me off all peds after having one of the worst reactions Ive experienced. Fuck that shit lol Stopped dicking around and jumped on cycle about 14 weeks ago.

First cycle has gone pretty well. Started test base only to see how I aromatize.. did a bunch of labs and realized my gear is pretty underdosed. Finally introduced a little bit of their "primo" and after a few weeks coach had compound concerns.

Started searching everywhere for test results of this company to see if I was just tripping or if something was up with the vendor. Searches led me here where I immediately found the info I was looking for. Sketchy past, fights with vendors, members and even Jano, called out for heavily underdosed gear in the passed... even a jano report someone ran on the same Primo I got about a month before I ordered mine

Anyways, promised not a paragraph and ended up in adhd rambles.. sorry to the person that asked me to not write a novel.

 

[sionnach]

Welcome to Meso. You did it.

What were your before and after lab values that tipped you off about your gear?

 

[Dial It In]

A novel anyway. The cop thing….yeah it’s a thread joke buried in one of those 700 pages. Long story on that one. Everyone’s nads gets busted for no intro, you aren’t alone. Guys fail to read the forum etiquette and it’s just kind of a thing. But if that vendor is on here with the bunk and you got the pics of gear and bloods it’s a start to prove it out. Sending to Jano for testing yourself (pics important) will be a death sentence if they don’t have one already. But do the posting in their thread. Anyway, welcome to meso

 

[Tdeck81]

Welcome to MESO. Cervical issues can be brutal, two steps forward one back. It took me years to loose the residual neuropathy. Glad you are finding your way back

 

[Bandern]

What’s ur favorite cigarette

 

[docpepper]

Welcome bro.

Where is this enclomaphine thing coming from anyways? Only place I had heard of it prior was just a 'cleaner' alternative to clomiphene for fertility or PCT. Now all the sudden a bunch of my friends are talking about taking enclomaphine to raise their test so they don't have to pin. Feels like I've been hearing about it a lot over the last 6 months. Where were you hearing about it from?

 

[Dial It In]

Welcome bro.

Where is this enclomaphine thing coming from anyways? Only place I had heard of it prior was just a 'cleaner' alternative to clomiphene for fertility or PCT. Now all the sudden a bunch of my friends are talking about taking enclomaphine to raise their test so they don't have to pin. Feels like I've been hearing about it a lot over the last 6 months. Where were you hearing about it from?

Yes there are clinical studies. Its effectiveness however is only going to maximize based on where you currently are at on test levels. It’s designed to put you in nominal ranges. Say you have a 500 level you aren’t going to be pushed to 900. This works more like chemically telling your body to make test. But there is a limit to what your body can naturally produce. Unlike trt it doesn’t suppress or shutdown your bodies natural ability to produce testosterone. Taking it with trt is counter productive and a waste of money base in this information. Of course like all studies it’s based on a focus group and could vary by individuals. Taking it out of the daily recommended range perhaps could yield something different but those health impacts or sides probably aren’t know.

 

[k710]

Welcome to Meso. You did it.

What were your before and after lab values that tipped you off about your gear?

at 200mg/week by test moved from 600ish to 1409 and my estrodial was at 22. Bumped up to 300mg/week and estrogen finally jumped to 62. At 200mg/week I shoud have crossed the 1500ng levels. Im working under a coach so they were the ones that helped me deduce that.

Primo has just been weird. Got some strong sides including the beginning of some gyno, hair shedding and bloating. Finally pulled Estrodial after 4 weeks of "primo" and my estrodial did come down to 34, but in my research I found someone who tested my brands primo along with a few others. Apparently it tested as boldenon dosed at like 40mg/ml..

Now im unsure, so going to run ultra sensitive hormones and extended male panel asap and consult with coach

 

[k710]

What’s ur favorite cigarette

The one thatsfurthest from me lol

 

[k710]

A novel anyway. The cop thing….yeah it’s a thread joke buried in one of those 700 pages. Long story on that one. Everyone’s nads gets busted for no intro, you aren’t alone. Guys fail to read the forum etiquette and it’s just kind of a thing. But if that vendor is on here with the bunk and you got the pics of gear and bloods it’s a start to prove it out. Sending to Jano for testing yourself (pics important) will be a death sentence if they don’t have one already. But do the posting in their thread. Anyway, welcome to meso

Yeah I made some mentions in the page with the testing reported, but the lab doesnt even have an actual thread on here to ask them about it. Ill post my bloods along with their products when I have enough data to prove and not just sound like im bitching and butthurt lol

 

[k710]

Welcome bro.

Where is this enclomaphine thing coming from anyways? Only place I had heard of it prior was just a 'cleaner' alternative to clomiphene for fertility or PCT. Now all the sudden a bunch of my friends are talking about taking enclomaphine to raise their test so they don't have to pin. Feels like I've been hearing about it a lot over the last 6 months. Where were you hearing about it from?

TRT clinics offer it as a treatment option. It does boost test numbers, ive seen reports of people over 1500ng with it. It makes your body think you have no estrogen, which tricks it into producing more T to convert into E. I definitely felt it, but the sides were not worth the minimal gains for me personally. I think its the influencers pushing this stuff on the kids and mass population afraid of needles lol

 

[Dial It In]

TRT clinics offer it as a treatment option. It does boost test numbers, ive seen reports of people over 1500ng with it. It makes your body think you have no estrogen, which tricks it into producing more T to convert into E. I definitely felt it, but the sides were not worth the minimal gains for me personally. I think its the influencers pushing this stuff on the kids and mass population afraid of needles lol

From clinics reporting these results? Or some bro? I understand the pathway of how this drug works but I’ve never seen anyone report this before. Lots of years experience from guys on this board and I can’t find or recall anyone reporting this so that is interesting if it’s true.

 

[sionnach]

At 200mg/week I shoud have crossed the 1500ng levels.

You sure about that?

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[docpepper]

Yes there are clinical studies. Its effectiveness however is only going to maximize based on where you currently are at on test levels. It’s designed to put you in nominal ranges. Say you have a 500 level you aren’t going to be pushed to 900. This works more like chemically telling your body to make test. But there is a limit to what your body can naturally produce. Unlike trt it doesn’t suppress or shutdown your bodies natural ability to produce testosterone. Taking it with trt is counter productive and a waste of money base in this information. Of course like all studies it’s based on a focus group and could vary by individuals. Taking it out of the daily recommended range perhaps could yield something different but those health impacts or sides probably aren’t know.

I'm relatively familiar with how it works (assuming quite similarly to Clomid, as its just clomid without the zuclomiphone, iirc), I was more wondering where this random surge of interest comes from. Is there some influencer pushing it? It feels very out of nowhere that semi-recently multiple friends of mine have asked me about it, and my friend who works in a field with a lot of AAS use, tells me multiple of his coworkers are using it.

I just looked into it and HIMS is pushing it, I assume a bunch of other telehealth clinics as well. That clarifies it a lot.

 

[Dial It In]

I'm relatively familiar with how it works (assuming quite similarly to Clomid, as its just clomid without the zuclomiphone, iirc), I was more wondering where this random surge of interest comes from. Is there some influencer pushing it? It feels very out of nowhere that semi-recently multiple friends of mine have asked me about it, and my friend who works in a field with a lot of AAS use, tells me multiple of his coworkers are using it.

I just looked into it and HIMS is pushing it, I assume a bunch of other telehealth clinics as well. That clarifies it a lot.

Yeah probably some tik tok bullshit. Few guys few years back I heard of them taking with hcg to help with E2 during pct. I’m not sure why any coach would recommend it. I have a coach for myself but not for any protocols. I’ve seen some of the crap coaches have guys doing.

 

[k710]

From clinics reporting these results? Or some bro? I understand the pathway of how this drug works but I’ve never seen anyone report this before. Lots of years experience from guys on this board and I can’t find or recall anyone reporting this so that is interesting if it’s true.

I dont think ive ever seen a clinic show patient lab reports to market their clinic. I do trust my coach and they reported clients testing 1200-1500 with enclo but they are not a fan. Also lots of similar mentions through different reddit channels. Made me feel better it wasnt just me having wild side effects.

I do regret immediately tapering out the enclo without getting labs drawn. I tried to wait for body to level off, but my reaction was pretty severe so immediately started tapering off. Didnt help I started slamming 25g dose from the start.

 

[k710]

You sure about that?

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Its my first time using that plotter. Seems pretty straight forward but maybe im doing something wrong. Do you enter your weekly T dose and then select everyday administration? or would you set it to your weekly dose and select every 7 days for administration? The numbers dont really make sense to me. They seem closer when I select every 7 days, but still doesnt line up with my expected results and bloodwork results.

Not sure how much it matters, but I did start off with 710 baseline and coach was quite positive its underdosed. Also lined up with the findings on the products I used. Its 300mg/ml concentration, but im pretty sure its closer to 200-250mg/mL

Also, just for the record, my coach isnt a gymbro practicing broscience. Shes finishing up her phd in clinical & research pharmacology and has been coaching competitive bodybuilders for years with success.

I only mention it because Ive referenced her many times and didnt want you guys to think im just a newbie getting my information from some tiktok bro pushing sarms for gains. Everyone and their mothers are coaches on tiktok lol

 

[Dial It In]

Its my first time using that plotter. Seems pretty straight forward but maybe im doing something wrong. Do you enter your weekly T dose and then select everyday administration? or would you set it to your weekly dose and select every 7 days for administration? The numbers dont really make sense to me. They seem closer when I select every 7 days, but still doesnt line up with my expected results and bloodwork results.

Not sure how much it matters, but I did start off with 710 baseline and coach was quite positive its underdosed. Also lined up with the findings on the products I used. Its 300mg/ml concentration, but im pretty sure its closer to 200-250mg/mL

Also, just for the record, my coach isnt a gymbro practicing broscience. Shes finishing up her phd in clinical & research pharmacology and has been coaching competitive bodybuilders for years with success.

I only mention it because Ive referenced her many times and didnt want you guys to think im just a newbie getting my information from some tiktok bro pushing sarms for gains. Everyone and their mothers are coaches on tiktok lol

Yeah you have that sort of access to a coach with that bs ground what are you expecting to gain here? I mean you come off like you already got it all figured out, no offense. Just curious.

 

[sionnach]

Its my first time using that plotter. Seems pretty straight forward but maybe im doing something wrong. Do you enter your weekly T dose and then select everyday administration? or would you set it to your weekly dose and select every 7 days for administration?

Depends on how you're dosing it. Just enter it exactly as you inject it.

If you're not taking hcg the numbers are very accurate

 

[Dial It In]

Yeah you have that sort of access to a coach with that bs ground what are you expecting to gain here? I mean you come off like you already got it all figured out, no offense. Just curious.

I didn’t mean bs should’ve been background