Test to EQ Ratio for E2

[ackmack78]

What ratio of Test to EQ do you guys run to keep your e2 in range but not crash it?

Also do you find you can run the ratio a little higher when test goes higher. Like 500T:250EQ but when you bump up the test to 1000 you can run the EQ at 6-800?

Week 4 of my cycle with 500 Test 250 EQ and my e2 just came back at 18 which is a little low for me. Not feeling it in the joints but was feeling some fatigue and irritability and had a feeling it was low. Just bumped my test up to 550 and dropped the EQ to 200. My plan was at week 12 to bump the Test to 750 and EQ to 400, but may need to reevaluate

 

[BigDadd7]

It's individual for everyone. Sounds like you're already putting together a good baseline for how you respond to it.

 

[ackmack78]

It's individual for everyone. Sounds like you're already putting together a good baseline for how you respond to it.

Ya I know, I'm just trying to get a feel for what works for other people. Get some numbers thrown out there to see what others have figured out for themselves.

 

[BigDadd7]

I've seen a few guys running it 5:2 and 5:3

 

[Eddie.]

Last year i ran it 2/1 test/EQ and i was fine at 35-40 e2. This year i did 500/250 and my e2 came out 20 which is very low for my liking. Took some dbol for a few days and currently running 700 test with 270 EQ. Was planning to raise both but i'm kinda holding back the EQ, in 1-2 weeks I'll check again to see where i am.

 

[ganciodestro]

Last year i ran it 2/1 test/EQ and i was fine at 35-40 e2. This year i did 500/250 and my e2 came out 20 which is very low for my liking. Took some dbol for a few days and currently running 700 test with 270 EQ. Was planning to raise both but i'm kinda holding back the EQ, in 1-2 weeks I'll check again to see where i am.

Why do you think with the same ratio on one occasion you were fine and on the other it was so low? What could affect that?

Now I’d like to try a light cruise of test up to 450 mg and I was thinking about which AI to include (adex or asin), but maybe at this point it would be better to add 200 mg of EQ and see how it goes instead…

At what dosage did you take dbol for those two days?

 

[Eddie.]

Why do you think with the same ratio on one occasion you were fine and on the other it was so low? What could affect that?

Now I’d like to try a light cruise of test up to 450 mg and I was thinking about which AI to include (adex or asin), but maybe at this point it would be better to add 200 mg of EQ and see how it goes instead…

At what dosage did you take dbol for those two days?

The only thing that changed is my bodyfat, last year when i started my bulk i wasn't very lean. This year i started at 7-8% bf so i guess starting leaner reduced the estrogen conversion. I can't think of anything else TBH.

I took 25mg dbol for 4 days.

 

[ackmack78]

Ya I'm pretty lean right now. Around that same 7-8%. I'm hoping when I eventually raise the test to 750 I can up the ratio and do EQ at 400

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Do these ratios tend to be scalable as dosages change? For instance:

If 1000 test / 600 EQ is working well, would 200 test / 120 EQ give a similar estradiol reading? If not they are kind of useless unless one never changes dosages.

I started EQ at 210mg/wk a month ago, so very low dose... and a good bit of that is the undecylenate ester. I run test very low ~ 10mg/day (for DHT) but use 5mg trestolone too.

Primo does not work as an AI for me, but wanted to try EQ. I have primo but have been disappointed with it, both for estrogen control and anabolism. I have been needing less aromasin the last couple weeks, used only a quarter tab = 6.25mg last week. I had been needing 12.5mg twice a week (at least) with primo, so perhaps it is started to work. I don't get my labs checked as often as I should - part because the trestolone's estrogen escapes detection. - but if I get achy joints I'll know to increase the test/trest dose (and take some DHEA, which I generally avoid as it drives sebaceous gland activity like nothing else in me). I've basically learned with trestolone use if I have estrogenic symptoms, and my joints aren't killing me, it's high not low...

 

[ackmack78]

Do these ratios tend to be scalable as dosages change? For instance:

If 1000 test / 600 EQ is working well, would 200 test / 120 EQ give a similar estradiol reading? If not they are kind of useless unless one never changes dosages.

I started EQ at 210mg/wk a month ago, so very low dose... and a good bit of that is the undecylenate ester. I run test very low ~ 10mg/day (for DHT) but use 5mg trestolone too.

Primo does not work as an AI for me, but wanted to try EQ. I have primo but have been disappointed with it, both for estrogen control and anabolism. I have been needing less aromasin the last couple weeks, used only a quarter tab = 6.25mg last week. I had been needing 12.5mg twice a week (at least) with primo, so perhaps it is started to work. I don't get my labs checked as often as I should - part because the trestolone's estrogen escapes detection. - but if I get achy joints I'll know to increase the test/trest dose (and take some DHEA, which I generally avoid as it drives sebaceous gland activity like nothing else in me). I've basically learned with trestolone use if I have estrogenic symptoms, and my joints aren't killing me, it's high not low...

I've heard some people report on reddit that at a lower test dose like 500 they can only do 200-250 EQ but at 1000 gets they can up the EQ to 600-800. But those reports were on reddit which I don't trust as much as here.

 

[ganciodestro]

The only thing that changed is my bodyfat, last year when i started my bulk i wasn't very lean. This year i started at 7-8% bf so i guess starting leaner reduced the estrogen conversion. I can't think of anything else TBH.

I took 25mg dbol for 4 days.

In your opinion, after starting the first injection of testosterone and EQ, after how long is it appropriate to check at what level the estradiol (E2) is? I mean, how long does it take before EQ shows its maximum anti-aromatase action?

 

[ackmack78]

In your opinion, after starting the first injection of testosterone and EQ, after how long is it appropriate to check at what level the estradiol (E2) is? I mean, how long does it take before EQ shows its maximum anti-aromatase action?

I checked labs at 4 weeks and it was definitely kicked in pretty well. Whether it was at the maximum or not I don't know but I've heard from others that at 4 weeks the anti e effect is fully kicked in.

I will say it kicked in by week 2. When I started my cycle I stuck with my TRT dose of ai - 12.5mg Asin 2x a week and at week 2 my e2 was low. I was fatigued, low motivation and cranky as hell. Dropped the Asin and it improved.

 

[IndividualMan]

In your opinion, after starting the first injection of testosterone and EQ, after how long is it appropriate to check at what level the estradiol (E2) is? I mean, how long does it take before EQ shows its maximum anti-aromatase action?

4+ weeks to get an idea, 6ish or more is closer to full saturation

 

[Eddie.]

In your opinion, after starting the first injection of testosterone and EQ, after how long is it appropriate to check at what level the estradiol (E2) is? I mean, how long does it take before EQ shows its maximum anti-aromatase action?

4 weeks I’d say you’ll get a good reading. I doubt it will drop it significantly lower after that.

 

[k710]

4 weeks I’d say you’ll get a good reading. I doubt it will drop it significantly lower after that.

I literally just ran labs today for the same thing, but with a Primo. Think it might be EQ but waiting for results to see what coach thinks

 

[120nmol]

500 test
500 eq
E2 = 100pmol
Took bloods 6 weeks in almost sure e2 would go lower..

 

[BigDadd7]

500 test
500 eq
E2 = 100pmol
Took bloods 6 weeks in almost sure e2 would go lower..

What was it on just 500 test?

 

[Tkjo]

I can barely do 3:1 test:eq. My E2 came in at 11. Might run 5:1 and skip 4:1 because something something hogging the receptor where testosterone could be maker greater gains than boldenone. If there’s any validity to it(we’ll never know for sure, just guesses) then test and AI would be better. So for now, I’m stopping EQ injections for 2 weeks then coming back at 5:1 ratio for more e2 and more testosterone AR activity. Disclaimer I’m not standing by this being optimal or better in any way. Just casual bro science as usual

 

[Zeus45]

EQ converts to E1 that’s why your E2 drops on Test + EQ. This has been proven with bloodwork.

 

[s2kallday]

What ratio of Test to EQ do you guys run to keep your e2 in range but not crash it?

Also do you find you can run the ratio a little higher when test goes higher. Like 500T:250EQ but when you bump up the test to 1000 you can run the EQ at 6-800?

Week 4 of my cycle with 500 Test 250 EQ and my e2 just came back at 18 which is a little low for me. Not feeling it in the joints but was feeling some fatigue and irritability and had a feeling it was low. Just bumped my test up to 550 and dropped the EQ to 200. My plan was at week 12 to bump the Test to 750 and EQ to 400, but may need to reevaluate

It is SUPERRRR individual. The AI effects for me didn't peak until week 6 and I front-loaded double dose for the first two weeks. I started 1:1 and will be reducing EQ as soon as my premixed vial is dry, supplementing test p daily in the mean time.