Test-only bulk: AI management (Aromasin vs Arimidex)

[ganciodestro]

Hi guys, I’m opening another post with just one question.
I’ll soon be starting my bulk with only test at moderate doses.
I’m sure I’ll need an AI because with 250 mg of test cyp I reached a peak of 41 E2.

Currently I’m using 172.5 mg of test cypionate split into three weekly subQ shots (this is my base TRT dose that I’d like to keep underneath) and i add 250 ui hcg 3x week.
I’ll be adding some propionate to cruise up to 40 mg ED for a total of 450 mg overall (counting the cypionate). I was thinking of increasing the prop dosage every 2 or 3 weeks, starting from 15 mg ED, then 30 mg ED, and finally 40 mg ED

I’d like to understand how to dial in an AI, whether to choose Aromasin or Arimidex, and at what timing to run bloodwork. Should I maybe wait for the first three weeks, then test E2, try an AI dose, repeat bloodwork 7 days later, and see the results?

Is there someone with more experience than me who could help?
I’ve read that Aromasin is harder to dial in but milder, while Arimidex is more potent yet easier to manage.

I’m very undecided between Aromasin and Adex, but especially about dosage and timing of administration.

 

[BigDadd7]

This old debate again. No one wants retype all of this. Use the search. I prefer aromasin.

 

[ganciodestro]

This old debate again. No one wants retype all of this. Use the search. I prefer aromasin.

I’ve looked, but I haven’t found any advice on what dosages and timing to start with.

 

[BigDadd7]

I’ve looked, but I haven’t found any advice on what dosages and timing to start with.

Keep looking. I can tell you haven't read a damn thing. There are no recommendations for "dosages and timing to start." It's based on bloodwork. Help us help you by spending the next hour reading so you can reframe the question in a manner that shows some basic understanding.

 

[ganciodestro]

Keep looking. I can tell you haven't read a damn thing. There are no recommendations for "dosages and timing to start." It's based on bloodwork. Help us help you by spending the next hour reading so you can reframe the question in a manner that shows some basic understanding.

I’ve always done my bloodwork, but I’ve never gone above 250 mg of testosterone.
With 225 mg I had:

• Total testosterone: 1500
• E2: 34

Lowering it to 205 mg, I had:

• Total testosterone: 1250
• E2: 41 (not sure why it went up)

Now I’ve lowered it to 172.5 mg and I’ll do bloodwork on Tuesday.
But i think testo total will be at 1000 so I reach the goal.

This was to find my testosterone dose that would give me a high dose but still within range. That said, I want to do a cruise with added testosterone propionate and I need help figuring out the timing and dosing of an AI and the criteria to choose Adex or Asin.

I’m not sure what other details to add; I think the other values aren’t relevant for this type of question (free test, shbg , dht etc)

 

[BigDadd7]

Based on that bloodwork, you don't need any AI at those dosages. You wont know about other dosages until you run them and get tested 3-4 weeks in.

 

[ganciodestro]

Based on that bloodwork, you don't need any AI at those dosages. You wont know about other dosages until you run them and get tested 3-4 weeks in.

Ok, so that’s what I thought. I’ll wait 3–4 weeks after starting testosterone, check E2, and see if I’ll need an AI.
If so, I’d like to start with a low dose. Do you think taking Adex 0.25 mg every 3 days makes sense, or is that too little?
The half-life of Adex should be around 50 hours.

 

[BigDadd7]

I think just taking it and hoping for the best is a huge mistake. Your e2 is already good. Crash it and you'll suffer for weeks. You have plenty of room for it to go up before it's an issue.

 

[newguy2]

My recent unscientific approach. 200mg of test of a week put me at an E2 of 81 with gyno symptoms.

Started blast at 400mg of test and coach recommended 25mg of Aromasin Mon/thu. It's been working great currently up to 600mg with basically no nipple sensitivity.

Getting labs soon to see where it actually put me.

 

[ganciodestro]

I think just taking it and hoping for the best is a huge mistake. Your e2 is already good. Crash it and you'll suffer for weeks. You have plenty of room for it to go up before it's an issue.

Sorry, I might have expressed myself poorly; I don’t speak English well and I’m using a translator. Of course, I wouldn’t take anything until my E2 goes out of range.
I was just thinking that if, after 4 weeks of cruising, my E2 is out of range (for example around 80), I’d like to start with a minimal AI dose, and I wanted to understand if a protocol of 0.25 mg every 3 days would make sense as a starting point (obviously only in a condition of out-of-range E2).

I think that above 60 points, you need to take action to bring it down.

 

[ganciodestro]

My recent unscientific approach. 200mg of test of a week put me at an E2 of 81 with gyno symptoms.

Started blast at 400mg of test and coach recommended 25mg of Aromasin Mon/thu. It's been working great currently up to 600mg with basically no nipple sensitivity.

Getting labs soon to see where it actually put me.

Fantastic! I’d like to understand which one to use initially, Adex or Asin.
If I ever need it, that is… I’m just gathering information in case it becomes necessary.

 

[newguy2]

Fantastic! I’d like to understand which one to use initially, Adex or Asin.
If I ever need it, that is… I’m just gathering information in case it becomes necessary.

My understanding is that aromasin is a bit more subtle and adex is more blunt and can crush e2 easily.

 

[BigDadd7]

My recent unscientific approach. 200mg of test of a week put me at an E2 of 81 with gyno symptoms.

Started blast at 400mg of test and coach recommended 25mg of Aromasin Mon/thu. It's been working great currently up to 600mg with basically no nipple sensitivity.

Getting labs soon to see where it actually put me.

That's where it put YOU. It might put someone else at 30. Taking ai without bloodwork is clown advice.

 

[newguy2]

That's where it put YOU. It might put someone else at 30. Taking ai without bloodwork is clown advice.

That was my point. I know my previous result was twice the normal range. And doubling the dose would clearly put it much higher. Seems like a logical deduction.

But for sure if you're not sure. Have asin on hand and get bloods into the cycle. Waiting an extra two weeks for sensitive E2 sucks but I get crashing e2 is worse.

 

[joemevlin]

My recent unscientific approach. 200mg of test of a week put me at an E2 of 81 with gyno symptoms.

Started blast at 400mg of test and coach recommended 25mg of Aromasin Mon/thu. It's been working great currently up to 600mg with basically no nipple sensitivity.

Getting labs soon to see where it actually put me.

did you ever get an update on the labs