Intro from someone who started off doing it WRONG

[Jackedjack8273648]

Hey everyone. I’ve been lurking on these forums for a little while. Thought it would be nice to actually participate, and don’t want to get flamed. But I’ll probably get roasted all the same. So here’s the intro…

I’m a 35yo M. Father of a sweet baby girl (have NO intentions of more and the Mrs. agrees). So after she got pregnant, I wanted to lose some weight - BMI was 30. I worked out, but preferred a newly found hobby of jiu jitsu and prioritized that over cardio and weight training. Anyway, I jumped on grey market tirzepatide and dropped to a BMI of 24 . Then I felt like a twig during rolls, so I got some labs- found my test was 300 and IGF1 was 90. So, of course jumped on Test and HGH (actually tried ipa/cjc first, which did fuck all). I was buying test, so I thought “why not just do a cycle and get jacked real quick”? So got some overpriced primo (at least I think it was ‍). Did 300/300 test/primo for a month and really hit the weights 6 days a week with intensity. Thought that was pretty good and I was tolerating it so why not use something to really get things going? So I bought tren A- started that at 150/week and definitely felt a boost in both size/strength and mental aggression. Well tren A was fine, so why not jump on Tren E and up it to 300? So I did that… I shouldn’t have done that. Started getting the night sweats 2 weeks in, terrible tingling all over. The pregnant Mrs was calling me out for having very little patience with her. This was when I cut out the tren. But of course, tren E stayed in my system for a while. My labs came back with a HDL in the 20s. Thankfully other cholesterols were fine. My SHBG was basically undetectable. Thankfully prolactin and E2 were normal. The tingly sensation all over my skin and night sweats probably lasted a good 4-6 weeks after stopping tren.

Okay. So I lived through that. Co-workers were noticing that I got pretty lean and muscular a little quickly. My wife knew about the tirzepatide, but not the AAS. I stayed on 150mg test C/week. I kept up the 4iu hgh split am/pm. Labs returned to baseline except total test was 700 and IGF1 200.

Now I’ve decided to try again. I’m a little more informed. I’ve decided to do 500mg test (200test C and 300test P weekly). For 6 weeks and see how I tolerate, how much hair I lose, if I need AI, how my skin handles it. Of note- the test P 100mg/ml daily is giving me significant PIP 24-72 hours after injections. Is this stuff poor quality or is this expected? Oh , and my baseline hct is 49. About to donate blood this week.

If i find my upper limit of test, would it be reasonable to layer in boldenone or even npp? i am looking to lean bulk.

Looking for any constructive criticism. I hope it is abundantly clear I know I messed up my first cycle, planning to do better for this next one.

 

[Lilpiggy]

From one person who’s done it wrong to another. I would avoid donating blood. I’m on 650test 350EQ. My Hematocrit was 41.5%. Everyone’s different but I take 12,000FU Nattokinase in the Am. Around 5 liters of water daily and electrolytes am and pm. This is all from research on this forum. I don’t know the scrience but trust that process is working

 

[Jackedjack8273648]

Thanks for the reply. So 41.5 hct seems low normal, no? And i know I probably don’t NEED to donate blood. I’ve seen the studies that show it is not an independent risk factor without other issues/symptoms (which I don’t have). But maybe it’ll make me feel better psychologically? I’m also O(-) and feel somewhat of a duty to help my community. I’m also in the medical field. AND the mrs needed a transfusion during delivery, so I feel a debt should be paid. Anyway, all these reasons point toward me donating next week.

How did you choose 12000iu nattokinase? Seems like a high dose. I get about 120oz water per day and 1 lmnt packet.

 

[Lilpiggy]

I’m being aggressive with the natto because bp runs high when blasting. 130/80. I am mitigating that with 80mg telmisartan.

 

[BigDadd7]

Drop the test P. Run350-500 E/C. Injext the appropriate volumn twice a week. Get your e2 tested, and then test it gain in four weeks. Order some aromasin to have on hand just in case. You'll get great results without turning into a sweaty psycho.

 

[sionnach]

Test P pip

I get zero pip from prop.

 

[Jackedjack8273648]

I get zero pip from prop.

What i was worried about. I imagine you get what you pay for (Chinese source). I just ordered a little more from one of the sponsors from this site that seems to be well reviewed.

Drop the test P. Run350-500 E/C. Injext the appropriate volumn twice a week. Get your e2 tested, and then test it gain in four weeks. Order some aromasin to have on hand just in case. You'll get great results without turning into a sweaty psycho.

so the reason I did test P was the whole “quick on quick off”. In case hair loss/acne/e2 etc get out of control I can drop it quickly? Maybe that’s overkill. I have aromasin on hand. I also have cabergoline and raloxifene in case I add NPP. But I get the impression that is not going to be recommended. My shoulders just bug me sometimes and thought 200mg/week might help with the joints.

 

[sionnach]

My shoulders just bug me sometimes and thought 200mg/week might help with the joints.

If all you want from NPP is joint relief, you may not need that much. I know bros that take as little as 10/day.

 

[hellerhiwater]

i know this is a tad bit out of line, and definitely not what you're here for but bro...

if you value your marriage and family, keeping something like this a secret is a giant mistake imo. putting aside the fact that if something bad happened health-wise, your partner wouldn't be able to give accurate information to the medical staff--you still have the very real financial, hormonal, and mental stability related decisions you're undertaking completely unilaterally.

i lost my wife and mother of my 3 children almost a decade ago. freak incident, mega rare disease, mega rare death from this particular infectious disease. it has been one hell of a ride doing this whole thing solo, but one thing it left me with was a heaping helping of unrequested perspective. and i sincerely urge you to loop her in, and listen to what she has to say.

ill take my lashes for getting personal, i know its not super chill. i dont mean anything bad by it, and i swear im not implying anything or attempting to shame you. just had to say something.

 

[Jackedjack8273648]

i know this is a tad bit out of line, and definitely not what you're here for but bro...

if you value your marriage and family, keeping something like this a secret is a giant mistake imo. putting aside the fact that if something bad happened health-wise, your partner wouldn't be able to give accurate information to the medical staff--you still have the very real financial, hormonal, and mental stability related decisions you're undertaking completely unilaterally.

i lost my wife and mother of my 3 children almost a decade ago. freak incident, mega rare disease, mega rare death from this particular infectious disease. it has been one hell of a ride doing this whole thing solo, but one thing it left me with was a heaping helping of unrequested perspective. and i sincerely urge you to loop her in, and listen to what she has to say.

ill take my lashes for getting personal, i know its not super chill. i dont mean anything bad by it, and i swear im not implying anything or attempting to shame you. just had to say something.

First off, so sorry for your loss, brother. I can’t begin to imagine what that was like. I was raised by a single father. Not the same scenario, but man i think he did an awesome job and I bet you are doing/did too.

I think initially i started this journey to build while cutting in tirzepatide (and because it was available from all the grey market sellers. Then just got hooked on being jacked like when i was in college.

The thing about it is I already know what she’ll say. And it won’t go well. Maybe in 10 years, I can just get it prescribed at a trt clinic and go that route. Maybe i’ll just pct after this cycle (prob not, though…)

Kind of going one day at a time. Esp with the baby. The good news is, I’m a super docile individual. The tren made me irritable, but that’s about as extreme as it got. No raising voice or hitting the dog for no reason or other psycho shit. And I’ve sworn that stuff off. Strictly trt with maybe primo/mast/var here and there for cosmetic polish in the summer.

But i hear you, it’s always on the back of my mind. I appreciate your input.