Boldenone is underrated.

[professionaldyel]

Seems like the issue isn’t really a language barrier but rather low experience on your side which is why we’re clearly not speaking the same ‘language’. Add in a poor ability to grasp what I’m actually saying, and maybe just a touch of steroid fueled ego mixed with inexperience, and here we are.

my comment has nothing to do with END GAME steroid use. My comment has everything to do with calling someone out for fear mongering that you need to increase your dosages **every single blast** I even literally laid it out for you clear as day and youre showing that steroids are indeed neurotoxic.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

my comment has nothing to do with END GAME steroid use. My comment has everything to do with calling someone out for fear mongering that you need to increase your dosages **every single blast** I even literally laid it out for you clear as day and youre showing that steroids are indeed neurotoxic.

First of all, I never said you must increase the dosage on every single blast. My post clearly states that if your diet and training are already perfect, then the only way to keep progressing is by increasing the dosage. Objectively, every specific dosage supports a specific amount of LBM you can’t just keep adding LBM endlessly on the same dose. Sure, you might see tiny improvements, but only up to a certain point. After that, the results are so minimal they’re not even measurable. Honestly, what’s your actual experience with all this that makes you speak with such certainty? Because judging by what you’re saying, it doesn’t really sound like much.

 

[oldgrey]

Methylene Blue is great preworkout and controls hematocrit. Even 10mg/day actually brings mine low unfortunately though, but I NEVER get high hematocrit weather boldenone, anadrol, etc.
Probably have a GI bleed or something.. jk but maybe not jk..

 

[Moulefruit]

Methylene Blue is great preworkout and controls hematocrit. Even 10mg/day actually brings mine low unfortunately though, but I NEVER get high hematocrit weather boldenone, anadrol, etc.
Probably have a GI bleed or something.. jk but maybe not jk..

For me, Nattokinase is I think the best supplement and you should be include in every cycle
For EQ it the reduces the aggregation of red blood cells and decreases blood viscosity
Also it’s very good for blood pressure and heart healtg

 

[AbsoluteKnight]

How about everyone stops arguing and posts physique like the good ol days

 

[Moulefruit]

How about everyone stops arguing and posts physique like the good ol days

Already done

 

[unid888]

Oh yeah. I'm a huge fan of EQ, my number 1 injectable by far.

First off, if you're doing EQ and not Bold Cyp or Ace, don't bother under 20 weeks.
If you have hematocrit issues you'd feel you need to donate to improve, just find something else. First off, donations do fuck all. It's a very acute and only "sensed" improvement, it doesn't do shit. It doesn't lower it anywhere near enough. Second, the thing is even if you're pinning for 3 months cause your blood is gel by week 12, you are about 2,5 months late with stopping. It's gonna be a 4-5 month blast anyway and it's only gonna get worse.

Also... don't do grams of it... If you are impatient and can't wait a few months for it to peak and be as anabolic as it can be, just do cyp and deal with the pip. I'M 100% convinced the stupid 1g+ thing is only cause people won't fucking wait for it to work then get surprised by the side effects and can't get rid of them for months.

No injectable should be ran much over 1g in my opinnion whoever you are, especially not something as toxic as EQ gets in high doses.

It works just fine in low to moderate doses.

Am I missing something or?? It seems like people compare EQ to TestU when it doesn't look like the same thing at all. EQ will reach 90% of peak concentration in 2 weeks according to plotter.

 

[unid888]

Wrong phrasing for what I meant.

Mental sides, kidneys and hematocrit. Nothing more really. There are a bunch of people that feel toxic on it which I was thinking about that's where the phrasing came from.

According to certain YouTubers who looked up studies on EQ, mental sides can be attributed to low E2 and no Kidney issues were present in subjects taking antioxidants.

 

[Scruf]

So I can grow indefinitely on 500mg of test ? Just slower ?
Interesting…

100% fact.

 

[Scruf]

Guys, please stop spreading nonsense.

Progressive overload applies to everything training, food, PEDs.

Training:
If you have a solid program, you will progress. Training is a skill, and just like any skill, practice makes perfect. We practice our training every single session.

Food:
If food alone was enough, nobody would bother with AAS. Food has a ceiling. You can push calories to 5k, 6k, 8k, even 10k… but where does it end? At some point it’s not fueling growth anymore, it’s just overeating. And overeating wrecks your health: fat gain, digestion issues, esophagus problems, lipid profile destroyed. Long-term, overeating can do more harm than AAS.

The key:
Optimize your training. Optimize your diet (example: 6k calories from foods you actually digest well and don’t make you feel terrible). Then, when you hit the wall, that’s when PEDs come in. Add AAS. Growth stalls? Add more gear. Still stuck? That’s where GH/slin comes in.

If you’re not progressing anymore even on 2–3g AAS with GH/slin, that’s your signal for a cut or a reset. Of course, you can push further but understand you’re trading a significant chunk of your health for very minimal extra gains.

Define “Progressing” do you mean 5lbs a year of lean mass, 10lbs a year?

 

[dinfar1337]

100% fact.

anything above trt is "supraphysiological".

both sides are trying to apply principals of either staying low peds for health or running more peds per cycle when all i said was i individualize it for my goal of growing at a good speed while preserving health.

theres no way of applying these principals in a real world scenario. its stupid, i would like to gain 50kg of muscle mass and have best health in the world if it was possible.

they should stop letting these anecedotes and thinkings dictate their cycles and let bloodwork dictate it.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

100% fact.

Define “Progressing” do you mean 5lbs a year of lean mass, 10lbs a year ?

If 500mg of testosterone per week could keep building muscle forever, nobody would ever bother increasing the dose. We’d all just stay on 500mg and eventually walk around at 300kg of lean muscle. But biology doesn’t work like that.

Even with a perfect diet and training, your body eventually hits a plateau. Maybe it’s at 3 months, maybe 6, but it comes. This isn’t just “bro science” clinical studies (like Bhasin 1996) have already shown a dose dependent muscle gain with testosterone, but also that each dose reaches a ceiling. You gain the most in the early months, then the response flattens out.

Why? Because androgen receptors don’t respond infinitely. They downregulate over time, your body adapts, and the same dose stops producing the same gains. Combine that with biological limits on protein synthesis and recovery, and you can’t expect indefinite growth on the same dosage.

That’s why even professionals keep raising their doses. If 500mg worked forever, every pro bodybuilder would just sit at that and keep growing. But the reality is, after squeezing everything out of one dosage, the only way forward is either more food (already maxed), more training (already optimized), or more drugs.

Yes, adding GH changes the game by creating hyperplasia new muscle cells to grow so your 500mg of test works “better” for longer. But even there, growth eventually stalls. No one wakes up one day and starts blasting 2g of test, 1g tren, 10iu GH, and insulin. It’s always the same process: you grow, you plateau, and the only way to push past that plateau once training and diet are optimized is through progressive increases in the dose.

 

[dinfar1337]

Why? Because androgen receptors don’t respond infinitely. They downregulate over time, your body adapts

do more research

 

[AlwaysHungry]

do more research

Yes, AR can upregulate with AAS there are studies showing that. But ARs also autoregulate and can downregulate under chronic high exposure. Either way, if 500mg worked forever, no one would ever blast higher we’d all just keep growing endlessly, and that clearly doesn’t happen.

 

[dinfar1337]

Yes, AR can upregulate with AAS there are studies showing that. But ARs also autoregulate and can downregulate under chronic high exposure. Either way, if 500mg worked forever, no one would ever blast higher we’d all just keep growing endlessly, and that clearly doesn’t happen.

i think you and me are on the same page but you have misunderstood it.

your body will normalize whatever dosage you're running. this is why we have cruise phases and just not blast indefiently.

first 3-6 weeks literaturre shows ar upregulates like crazy before standardizing.

its more like explaning the thought process of blast & cruise.

and why people dont go from cruise > max dosage blast but increases dosage a little by little until they reach their desired dosage.

but you still have like 5-6 other significant pathways other than ar mediated hypertrophy to max out from increased dosage before really needing the increase dosage bro.

if you just look at it from the bhasin study viewpoint you'll forever be stuck in numbers of first cycle gains forever. gotta look beyond that, ar mediated hypertrophy becomes less and less significant from every cycle and you need to focus on other stuff.

this is why im saying both you and other guy is wrong. you dont need to keep adding steroids every cycle, but i dont mind adding more im just looking it at from other than this cycle perspective and looking at total growth perspective.

if i would need to grow on 5g i would do that, and if i would need to grow on 500mg i would do that. i will not take these stupid thinkings as a way as long as i get results.

and the other guy just dont wanna grow beyond his 190lbs lean with his trt+ regimen so you're not even speaking the same language.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

i think you and me are on the same page but you have misunderstood it.

your body will normalize whatever dosage you're running. this is why we have cruise phases and just not blast indefiently.

first 3-6 weeks literaturre shows ar upregulates like crazy before standardizing.

its more like explaning the thought process of blast & cruise.

and why people dont go from cruise > max dosage blast but increases dosage a little by little until they reach their desired dosage.

but you still have like 5-6 other significant pathways other than ar mediated hypertrophy to max out from increased dosage before really needing the increase dosage bro.

if you just look at it from the bhasin study viewpoint you'll forever be stuck in numbers of first cycle gains forever. gotta look beyond that, ar mediated hypertrophy becomes less and less significant from every cycle and you need to focus on other stuff.

this is why im saying both you and other guy is wrong. you dont need to keep adding steroids every cycle, but i dont mind adding more im just looking it at from other than this cycle perspective and looking at total growth perspective.

if i would need to grow on 5g i would do that, and if i would need to grow on 500mg i would do that. i will not take these stupid thinkings as a way as long as i get results.

and the other guy just dont wanna grow beyond his 190lbs lean with his trt+ regimen so you're not even speaking the same language.

We’re on the same page, bro. AR upregulates at first then stabilizes, and yeah there are plenty of other pathways (IGF-1, mTOR, satellite cells, GH/insulin, etc.) driving growth too. But that’s exactly why blast & cruise exists your body normalizes to any set dose, you stall, and to keep progressing once training and diet are already maxed, you either change compounds or slowly raise the dose. If one dose worked forever, nobody would blast higher, we’d all just sit on 500mg year-round and keep growing.

I get what you’re saying about “total growth perspective” and I actually agree you don’t have to add more gear every single cycle just for the sake of it. You can absolutely milk a dose for everything it’s worth before touching the needle higher. That’s exactly my philosophy: squeeze all the gains possible out of the lowest effective dose, keep progress going as long as you can, and only move up when you’ve truly maxed that dose.

But that’s also why blast & cruise exists. Your body will normalize to whatever you run whether it’s 500mg or 2g. Gains slow down, and eventually stall. At that point, with diet and training already locked in, the only lever left is the drugs. Sometimes that means changing compounds, sometimes that means raising the test. So I’m not against higher doses either if that’s what it takes to reach the next level, then you do it. What doesn’t make sense is pretending you’ll grow forever on one static dose.

 

[dinfar1337]

Gains slow down, and eventually stall

thats the thing, i just dont like saying 500mg you will need more at some point or 200mg is all you will never need bro, because everyones response is so vastly different its just too black and white which differs from individualizing someones actual aas needs in reality.

with some ifbb pros cruising at around 300-500mg they're defiently gonna lose gains but thats most likely because muscle protein synthesis is too poor at lower dosages. thats why they can shrink and blow back up again. other pathways are maxed out and remembered by the body.

if your goal is total size tho increasing aas > increasing pathways limits > more potential growth = more newbie gains from being 10 years into cycle. i do believe in loading more peds as you go but i also find a balance of getting some clean gains in with it.

 

[Scruf]

If 500mg of testosterone per week could keep building muscle forever, nobody would ever bother increasing the dose. We’d all just stay on 500mg and eventually walk around at 300kg of lean muscle. But biology doesn’t work like that.

Even with a perfect diet and training, your body eventually hits a plateau. Maybe it’s at 3 months, maybe 6, but it comes. This isn’t just “bro science” clinical studies (like Bhasin 1996) have already shown a dose dependent muscle gain with testosterone, but also that each dose reaches a ceiling. You gain the most in the early months, then the response flattens out.

Why? Because androgen receptors don’t respond infinitely. They downregulate over time, your body adapts, and the same dose stops producing the same gains. Combine that with biological limits on protein synthesis and recovery, and you can’t expect indefinite growth on the same dosage.

That’s why even professionals keep raising their doses. If 500mg worked forever, every pro bodybuilder would just sit at that and keep growing. But the reality is, after squeezing everything out of one dosage, the only way forward is either more food (already maxed), more training (already optimized), or more drugs.

Yes, adding GH changes the game by creating hyperplasia new muscle cells to grow so your 500mg of test works “better” for longer. But even there, growth eventually stalls. No one wakes up one day and starts blasting 2g of test, 1g tren, 10iu GH, and insulin. It’s always the same process: you grow, you plateau, and the only way to push past that plateau once training and diet are optimized is through progressive increases in the dose.

The science around muscle growth is often presented in convoluted ways, and concepts like hyperplasia (the idea of creating new muscle fibers) remain hotly debated. In truth, most of what we achieve is through hypertrophy—growing existing fibers. For practical purposes, hyperplasia is not something we can reliably claim to achieve.

What’s really changed over the last 30 years isn’t the fundamental biology, but access. The whole concept of taking grams of AAS weekly is relatively new. Back in the 1990s, it was incredibly difficult to even source gear. When I was an open bodybuilder, 500 mg of testosterone per week was considered a hefty blast. On forums like mesomorphosis.com (the early days of what later became ThinkSteroids), most of us were just grateful to have enough test to run 300–500 mg cycles. Beyond that, we had little understanding of how to keep estrogen under control, so pushing higher doses was challenging.

Even with those limitations, guys still got very, very big. We would blast, take a break, and repeat—and the results spoke for themselves.

That said, there is no such thing as indefinite gains. Whether you’re running 500 mg or 5,000 mg, growth eventually stops. Look at the heaviest modern physiques: for a 5’8” bodybuilder, the biggest anyone gets is roughly 300–315 lbs lean. After that, the body simply won’t add more tissue, regardless of how much gear you throw at it.

So, can you grow indefinitely on 500 mg of test? No. But can you grow for a very long time? Absolutely. The difference is that today’s access to more PEDs just accelerates the process.

I’m a classic bodybuilder now, and yes, I’ve taken considerably more than 500 mg of test at times—but only to speed things up, not because I believe it changes the ultimate destination. The upper ceiling of muscularity hasn’t shifted in decades. What’s changed is how fast people get there.

 

[professionaldyel]

First of all, I never said you must increase the dosage on every single blast. My post clearly states that if your diet and training are already perfect, then the only way to keep progressing is by increasing the dosage. Objectively, every specific dosage supports a specific amount of LBM you can’t just keep adding LBM endlessly on the same dose. Sure, you might see tiny improvements, but only up to a certain point. After that, the results are so minimal they’re not even measurable. Honestly, what’s your actual experience with all this that makes you speak with such certainty? Because judging by what you’re saying, it doesn’t really sound like much.

dude, dead serious, if English is not your first language please for the love of FUCK stop replying.

guy #1 "what are you going to do? increase dosages every competition prep"

me: this notion that you need to increase your dosages every blast is silly

you: coming completely out of no where being unable to grasp whats the being talked about and adding a completely different direction of what was being discussed with your goofy strawman

Ive been using PEDs off and on for 5 years, oh no! the horror!

 

[aaronben]

the body creates homeostasis for everything, interesting to read the book by MR rea, trainer of the great Toney freeman(TOP ten Mr Olympia), written more than 20 years ago, CME volume 2, has anyone ever read it and above all understood it?