Please stop saying Anavar is a mild drug…

[Tdeck81]

There's this nifty link at the top of every page on meso labeled "Steroid Profiles". One of the drugs discussed is Anavar (Oxandrolone).

Unfortunately, it is not formatted in a 30-90 second reel and therefore it is not digestible by today's youth.

Not all places/sites have these resources, so it’s lucky for the ones that do land here. At least they’ll be exposed to a different point of view. In my opinion, the best you can hope for here is to slow them down long enough to educate themselves. I’m Actually more concerned with all these 20 year olds being treated for low t, wtf? You can lead a camel to water…

 

[Deezznutzz]

Anavar is a mild drug for me. Labs always look decent. 8 weeks 50-75 mg a day.

 

[adrenalytic]

20 year olds being treated for low t, wtf?

Keep sending their ladies this way.

 

[RaddishPork]

My god, Israetel is so fucking retarded

Can't wait to see him still being fat after his next 4 cosmetic "gut-reduction" surgeries

I work in fitness and die on the inside every time someone says "I like this guy called renaissance periodization. He's a doctor"

Makes me think back to the video of him legit crying during leg day and then posting an anti-steroid propaganda video claiming that gear makes you mentally retarded and emotionally unstable.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Again - you have not used the search function.

Run it at 100 mg a day for 6 weeks and pull your labs, lipids and Cystatin C. Report back. It's mild, so no issues will be had.

I have used the search function, you are pulling shit out of your ass. You have 0 fucking literature.

Thanks for proving my point.


I also wouldn't run an oral at max dose

 

[Tdeck81]

Not trying to highjack but I’ve been curious and it’s related to Anavar. Most profiles on Anavar claim it helps reduce visceral fat. My question is can low dose usage, 20 mg daily, be effective enough to utilize in that capacity? Or would results be so minimal it’s not worth running that low?

 

[dinfar1337]

Most profiles on Anavar claim it helps reduce visceral fat. My question is can low dose usage, 20 mg daily, be effective enough to utilize in that capacity?

should be pretty effective if you're a fatso, or a hiv patient with no muscle or a elderly with no muscle. its just effects of losing weight and gaining muscle, not tied to anavar directly. just a marketing scheme, thats what you see in most aas studies.

being a enhanced bodybuilder i would expect 0 or minimal visceral fat reduction from anavar.

 

[Elektrobot]

Tell me where it affects kidneys. I want to see literature

The box insert says the daily dose can be up to 20mg per day for 2-4 weeks. It also states a contradiction for use in patients with renal disease. I think from that we can extrapolate that kidneys can be impacted, and because we are using it at higher doses and for longer periods of time. the impact on kidneys can be greater. The box insert also says it can cause liver and spleen problems, again, at 20mg a day for up to 4 weeks. Using more and for longer most likely increases the possibility of that.

Oxandrolone: Package Insert / Prescribing Information

Oxandrolone package insert / prescribing information for healthcare professionals. Includes: indications, dosage, adverse reactions and pharmacology.

www.drugs.com

 

[dinfar1337]

It also states a contradiction for use in patients with renal disease

its the same thing with AI stating all low estrogen side effects.

if you abuse it and get 180/120 bloodpressure, and all other stupid stuff to affect kidneys indirectly ofc it will affect the kidneys.

space's point is there is no direct correlaction between anavar and kidney damage.

only indirect

but anavar is directly tied to liver damage(thats where most action is going on).

you should not expect anavar to be harsh on the kidney if you're regulating your health.

as to say, stay hydrated, dont drink alcohol check your bloodpressure and anavar isnt kidney toxic in it self(we have no literatture on it being directly kidney toxic).

 

[eryximachus]

Anavar is a mild drug for me. Labs always look decent. 8 weeks 50-75 mg a day.

I've done 100mg per day for 6 weeks before, nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[Elektrobot]

space's point is there is no direct correlaction between anavar and kidney damage.

I mean the pharmaceutical insert specifically says not for use in patients with renal disease.

its the same thing with AI stating all low estrogen side effects.

Stating side effects is different than stating a contradiction

Side effects mean this and that might happen

When a drug maker states a contradiction, it means "not for use in patients with this or that condition". Anavar has a contradiction for patients with renal disease, and is therefore not for use in those patients. If that warning exists at the 20mg dose for only 2-4 weeks, lets think out to what the warning would look like for 50mg for 6-8 weeks.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

its the same thing with AI stating all low estrogen side effects.

if you abuse it and get 180/120 bloodpressure, and all other stupid stuff to affect kidneys indirectly ofc it will affect the kidneys.

space's point is there is no direct correlaction between anavar and kidney damage.

only indirect

but anavar is directly tied to liver damage(thats where most action is going on).

you should not expect anavar to be harsh on the kidney if you're regulating your health.

as to say, stay hydrated, dont drink alcohol check your bloodpressure and anavar isnt kidney toxic in it self(we have no literatture on it being directly kidney toxic).

Bingo. Correlation is not causation.

 

[dinfar1337]

I mean the pharmaceutical insert specifically says not for use in patients with renal disease.

i've already replied to this.

 

[Elektrobot]

Bingo. Correlation is not causation.

You misspelled contradiction

 

[adrenalytic]

You misspelled contradiction

I'm guessing you mean contraindication?

 

[Liter O' Test]

i think the best word for anavar is easy, not mild
no aromatization, minimal side effects to control etc
i think its pretty strong at 50mg, dont know how i used to do 100mg back in the day

 

[cousinmuscles]

Mild only compared to other orals, which IMO are too toxic if you have long term plans and big goals.

I have another rant. Why do so many say it is weak in terms of strength gains? The only difference I found between anadrol, dianabol and anavar in strength gains is how it felt, at the same max tolerable dose of 100mg each, the strength increase as a kickstarter with testosterone as a base, was pretty much equal when I compare in my training log.

 

[dinfar1337]

contraindication

please stop making me look up english words man.

 

[cousinmuscles]

There is no literature is my point unless you want to refer to wiki and some book some random guy wrote.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ht6Zrva0lU


Not the first time I hear it, though does not sound common.

 

[Elektrobot]

I'm guessing you mean contraindication?

It is extremely possible that this is what I mean