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[malomkarom]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I just hard disagree with this. You don't need to constantly progressively overload your dosages and I really don't know where this notion comes from besides the podcast bros that we all love listening to.

Androgen exposure length = more muscle. That's a grossly over-simplification but you can't argue against the fact that over the span of AAS use you should be getting better at something, whether that's diet, digestion, training, or recovery something SHOULD BE improving cycle after cycle therefore making your blast more effective. People absolutely use way too much and are above what they can actually properly utilize no doubt but EVENTUALLY that gap should narrow.

This is exactly what I'm saying. Not sure what hard disaggreement you mean. This is what I've been explaining. The comment you responded to literally says to not increase the doses unless absolutely mandatory and improve diet and training beforehand. WTF

So many people don't even read what they respond to.

 

[ackmack78]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I just hard disagree with this. You don't need to constantly progressively overload your dosages and I really don't know where this notion comes from besides the podcast bros that we all love listening to.

Androgen exposure length = more muscle. That's a grossly over-simplification but you can't argue against the fact that over the span of AAS use you should be getting better at something, whether that's diet, digestion, training, or recovery something SHOULD BE improving cycle after cycle therefore making your blast more effective. People absolutely use way too much and are above what they can actually properly utilize no doubt but EVENTUALLY that gap should narrow.

I generally agree. I was also listening to beef stu talk on a podcast with Milos a while ago and he was talking about how he got to 1.8g cycles pretty quickly. But on his following cycles he doesn't go over that. He's been running the same amount of androgens for years on his blasts and still making progress.

Of course he also said he tried going higher but didn't feel like he got anything more out of it

 

[professionaldyel]

This is exactly what I'm saying. Not sure what hard disaggreement you mean. This is what I've been explaining. The comment you responded to literally says to not increase the doses unless absolutely mandatory and improve diet and training beforehand. WTF

So many people don't even read what they respond to.

There's no way I'm reading your entire 10-14 paragraph post, that's simply not happening.

The comment I responded to was you saying something what I consider silly - upfront. There's zero reason to get butthurt.

 

[malomkarom]

There's no way I'm reading your entire 10-14 paragraph post, that's simply not happening.

The comment I responded to was you saying something what I consider silly - upfront. There's zero reason to get butthurt.

Noone got butthurt wtf

You don't need to read it, there's just no point arguing something you refure to grasp the vauge concept of. What you're arguing is literally what I've been arguing in this thread the entire time.

Good thing you even found an argument for me literally agreein with you lmao

 

[vapor77]

What are you gonna do for the next one to improve? Do another half a gram for every competition prep and bulk cycle? You're gonna be running Dallas dosages as an amateur pretty fast.

This is what he was referring to. You are implying that every cycle you'd have to increase dosages to 'improve'.

This is exactly what I'm saying. Not sure what hard disaggreement you mean. This is what I've been explaining. The comment you responded to literally says to not increase the doses unless absolutely mandatory and improve diet and training beforehand. WTF

So many people don't even read what they respond to.

Did you even read what you wrote yourself?

The bolded part is something you seem to write a lot here. The common denominator here is you. Make your arguments more clear.

 

[professionaldyel]

Noone got butthurt wtf

You don't need to read it, there's just no point arguing something you refure to grasp the vauge concept of. What you're arguing is literally what I've been arguing in this thread the entire time.

Good thing you even found an argument for me literally agreein with you lmao

"What are you gonna do for the next one to improve? Do another half a gram for every competition prep and bulk cycle? You're gonna be running Dallas dosages as an amateur pretty fast."

"You don't need to constantly progressively overload your dosages and I really don't know where this notion comes from besides the podcast bros that we all love listening to."


Boy do i miss forums where people are manic lunatics.

 

[malomkarom]

"What are you gonna do for the next one to improve? Do another half a gram for every competition prep and bulk cycle? You're gonna be running Dallas dosages as an amateur pretty fast."

"You don't need to constantly progressively overload your dosages and I really don't know where this notion comes from besides the podcast bros that we all love listening to."


Boy do i miss forums where people are manic lunatics.

Read the context.

The entire conversation started cause I said there's no reason for basically anyone to ever pass a gram of gear ever, and should start and end lower.

Again, literally the entire argument here was due to me telling people they don't need more gear.

Anyways, have a good one.

 

[professionaldyel]

Telling me to read the context when the person you were replying to is an aspiring competitor which you acknowledged and are now saying "there's no reason for basically anyone to ever pass a gram of gear ever" when there is literally a case for running more than a gram....because that is whats required if you want a pro card unless you're genetically gifted.

breaking news gents, 750 test and 500 eq is irresponsible!

 

[The Answ3r]

As much as I love EQ and always try to sneak it into my cycles, last time on Test C 400 EQ 500 and Mast E 300 my hematocrit shot straight to the moon. And that was with more water than a camel, at least an hour of cardio every day, and a squeaky-clean diet. Now I don’t even know if I should bring EQ back next time or finally say goodbye to my toxic relationship with it.
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Yo wtf, I dropped my cycle bloodwork here before, and now the new labs just came in while on cruise. Been 2 months, running Test C 250 mg once a week, Tirz, HGH dropped a month ago… and my hematocrit looks higher than my IQ. Am I cooked?

 

[Scruf]

1 person ran 800.
2 (including me) ran 1g.

All our HCT ended up low.

Are you sure it was EQ? What kind of training were you doing? Were you taking an BP medication?

 

[Scruf]

700 Test + 350 EQ

Hematocrit = 46

That sounds like my response to EQ. I am at 300 EQ and 1g test. Hematocrit is 48.

 

[Scruf]

Currently on Test / EQ / Tren A / Mast P for my contest prep and I’ve never looked so good, veins are everywhere, I’m full even with carbs depletion, cardio is easy
I love this shit

Dosage are per week : Test 1350mg / EQ 1350mg / Tren 300mg / Mast P 300mg

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How is your E2?

 

[dinfar1337]

bloodwork

even with the lowest half life possible at 14 days the eq will still take 8-12 weeks to clear out of your system.

so many guys get surprised after their cycle while the effects still linger but sadly sometime the damage starts showing after you have primed your body with continounous usage, you can refer to your high rdw to see this.

you have the option 1 aggresively get it down, and donate blood but your mch and mchc suggests you have low iron production(defiently not suggested) and also your high rdw suggest some nutritional defiency.

you have option 2, run blood thinners mild or aggresive ones up to you and do 1hour cardio a day and drink water like you're horse.

you have option 3, just keep chilling and have high risk for some time while it lingers off. this option will require you to have more time on cruise before blasting again tho.

what is your blood pressure, didnt it change at all from going from normal hct to this high hct? there should have been some signs. you could also been madly dehydrated but 57% is way too high margin of error.

also do you have iron, ferritin, b12, folate blood work? and im guessing you already tested your kidneys and liver

 

[Photon]

Are you sure it was EQ? What kind of training were you doing? Were you taking an BP medication?

Janoshik Analytical

Cilnidipine 10mg keeps me in range.
BP is relatively low off blast.

 

[The Answ3r]

even with the lowest half life possible at 14 days the eq will still take 8-12 weeks to clear out of your system.

so many guys get surprised after their cycle while the effects still linger but sadly sometime the damage starts showing after you have primed your body with continounous usage, you can refer to your high rdw to see this.

you have the option 1 aggresively get it down, and donate blood but your mch and mchc suggests you have low iron production(defiently not suggested) and also your high rdw suggest some nutritional defiency.

you have option 2, run blood thinners mild or aggresive ones up to you and do 1hour cardio a day and drink water like you're horse.

you have option 3, just keep chilling and have high risk for some time while it lingers off. this option will require you to have more time on cruise before blasting again tho.

what is your blood pressure, didnt it change at all from going from normal hct to this high hct? there should have been some signs. you could also been madly dehydrated but 57% is way too high margin of error.

also do you have iron, ferritin, b12, folate blood work? and im guessing you already tested your kidneys and liver

This is the first time I’ve run into something like this, because I’ve always had EQ in my cycles and whenever I checked bloodwork a couple of months after, hematocrit would usually come back down to 46-48%. I drink plenty of water, and on cruise I only scaled cardio down to about 30 minutes daily, so it’s not like I completely dropped it. Honestly, I’m leaning toward a lab error. Last time with LabCorp they reported testosterone at around 800 ng/dl while I was on 400 mg a week, which made no sense, and they also failed to run my sensitive e2 because, according to them, “not enough blood was drawn.” I retested a week later at a different lab and everything came back fine.

I’m already scheduled to redo a CBC at another lab next week just to be sure. I really don’t want to dump blood unless I absolutely have to. If it comes to that, I’d probably rather drop to true TRT and take a long break from blasting.

As for blood pressure, it’s always been on the low side for me. Only on cycle did it climb to around 120/80, but otherwise it stays lower.

 

[dinfar1337]

As for blood pressure, it’s always been on the low side for me. Only on cycle did it climb to around 120/80, but otherwise it stays lower.

this should be consistent with a lab error, i do not know these american labs.

anyways confirm it and if the issue is still there i can help with you with bunch of non aggresive blood thinners we can get you on instead of donating blood. this should not be a option for you if not having tested

you have iron, ferritin, b12, folate blood work?

yk sometimes cycles just hit. you always think you're not gonna get bad bloodwork and think you completely tolerate the drug and then you get fucked in the ass by it. happened with few compounds for me

 

[dinfar1337]

"You don't need to constantly progressively overload your dosages and I really don't know where this notion comes from besides the podcast bros that we all love listening to."

there seems to be a common consencous for this bullshit like "no more than 100mg tren, you dont need more than 1g aas total"

aas is so individualized to each person at x stages of their life and body at the moment we're sitting in. following this general thinking is what holds most people back. why would i who aim to become as big as possible limit myself to the realm of <1g. and never find out how far i could go if my focus isnt ultimate health, just decent health until i can blast more steroids and become bigger? i clearly know the answer but i havent gotten it from reading last 2-3 pages about this.

i dont wanna go on writing a whole paragraph about it but some people are just better ignored sometimes if they have shut off their brain from the beginning. even if they're unknowing

 

[professionaldyel]

there seems to be a common consencous for this bullshit like "no more than 100mg tren, you dont need more than 1g aas total"

aas is so individualized to each person at x stages of their life and body at the moment we're sitting in. following this general thinking is what holds most people back. why would i who aim to become as big as possible limit myself to the realm of <1g. and never find out how far i could go if my focus isnt ultimate health, just decent health until i can blast more steroids and become bigger? i clearly know the answer but i havent gotten it from reading last 2-3 pages about this.

i dont wanna go on writing a whole paragraph about it but some people are just better ignored sometimes if they have shut off their brain from the beginning. even if they're unknowing

my hot take of being a sub 1g user until recently, if you arent going to pushing a gram+ theres literally no reason for you to go above 250mg test/wk or a total load of like 400-500mg. I'm on 1.4g right now for the first time on a very extended blast the progress is so drastically different that its actually worth the risk.

 

[Moulefruit]

How is your E2?

Good (No I don’t need bloodwork to know it)

 

[Eddie.]

This is the first time I’ve run into something like this, because I’ve always had EQ in my cycles and whenever I checked bloodwork a couple of months after, hematocrit would usually come back down to 46-48%.

Brother i think this might have happened to me as well. Last off season after almost 4 months on test/eq and last weeks npp and anadrol my HCT was 45,5.

I cruised for almost 8 weeks on 250 test / 150 mast and after cruise my HCT was on all time highest, 47%.

Then it didn't make sense, i thought i wasn't hydrated enough but perhaps that delay in saturation of EQ might play a role here.

my hot take of being a sub 1g user until recently, if you arent going to pushing a gram+ theres literally no reason for you to go above 250mg test/wk or a total load of like 400-500mg. I'm on 1.4g right now for the first time on a very extended blast the progress is so drastically different that its actually worth the risk.

True! Higher amount of peds will work if you put the work and the diet required. I believe at some point pushing dosages high is necessary, especially when you're chasing size.

I hear often from pros that have years on gear "I used big amounts in the past, now I'm taking half and still improving" and i believe them.

I somewhat doubt though if they kept using their "low" amounts throughout that period their physique would be the same now. So yeah, at some point maybe 2,5 or 3+ grams is needed and after years building the physique dropping the total milligrams might be better to fine tune the physique. Maybe I'm wrong though, just thinking out loud.