Test and anvar cycle at 23, how dumb is it?

[thoroughlyconfused]

As I've said in other posts I'm pretty heavily injured. I'm doing all the right things pt nutrition etc wise but struggling to make progress. I want a boost. Obviously will be doing more bpc 157 and tb500 and possibly lower dosed hgh

But how stupid would doing 300 MG of test and low dose anvar for 12 weeks be at the age of 23? What are the risks of permanent suppression with this? I'd like to be able to return to being 'natural' after.

And what's the risk of any other serious side effects or facial aging with this route

Obviously will get pre and during blood tests aswell if I go this route.

I'm also on Finasteride and slowly transitioning to dutasteride and on oral Minoxidil, not sure how extreme with would be on hairloss?

Edit: also my natural test level albiet tested like a year back is 670

 

[BigDadd7]

Why do you kids always have to reinvent the wheel? 50+ proven years of dudes getting jacked on 250-400 test alone. Eat, lift, rest. Guaranteed to work every time. Than you kids show up with peptide bullshit and orals. Probably barely working out and not eating enough anyways.

"I just can't gain wait. I need to f my liver and my health with all this extra crap."

Have your mom buy a lot of milk, peanut butter, jelly, and bread. You'll get big fast.

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

Why do you kids always have to reinvent the wheel? 50+ proven years of dudes getting jacked on 250-400 test alone. Eat, lift, rest. Guaranteed to work every time. Than you kids show up with peptide bullshit and orals. Probably barely working out and not eating enough anyways.

"I just can't gain wait. I need to f my liver and my health with all this extra crap."

Have your mom buy a lot of milk, peanut butter, jelly, and bread. You'll get big fast.

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So a common trend in noting on this site is people don't read what a post is, then they send the most stupid reply possible while being a smug asshole acting like they did something.

What am I trying to reinvent?

Cant lift weights rn but sure good solution bud.

I absolutely gurantee when not injured I workout harder and more then you ever have.

No where near have I complained about not being able to gain weight. My goal isn't even to build muscle it's to heal injuries. If you could read maybe you'd understand that. Literally the first fucking sentence in the post

 

[BabaJagga]

sure, go for it. why not?

worst thing that can happen is you fuckup and will be married to needle forever. and maybe go bald.

decide for yourself.

 

[Photon]

So a common trend in noting on this site is people don't read what a post is, then they send the most stupid reply possible while being a smug asshole acting like they did something.

What am I trying to reinvent?

Cant lift weights rn but sure good solution bud.

I absolutely gurantee when not injured I workout harder and more then you ever have.

No where near have I complained about not being able to gain weight. My goal isn't even to build muscle it's to heal injuries. If you could read maybe you'd understand that. Literally the first fucking sentence in the post

What injury do you have and why do you even think the solution is PEDS?

You are young, your T is not low and you probably have high natural hgh levels. Taking hgh at a low dose may result in there being less hgh because exogenous hgh shuts down natural production.

Please share your thought process.

 

[malomkarom]

I have a tfcc tear, shoulder instability, proximal bicep tendontis, internal bone brusing in the knee, Hoffas fat pad injury, MCL and meniscus tear and a high riding patella.

Dude, it's one thing to work around injuries, but hopping on gear for how fucked up you are is straight up retarded. Get everything surgically fixed first. Heal enough to not be insnufferable taking a simple step.

You are way too gone to force through it. If you want, pump some light shit to help improve bloodflow if you can, but anything more is stupid.

Anavar and test won't change that. They can help when you have 1 singular injury you're trying to work on, not when you are incapable of getting through a workout.

I wish you a fast a smooth recovery but you are doing yourself serious disservice by hopping on cycle now.

sure, go for it. why not?

worst thing that can happen is you fuckup and will be married to needle forever. and maybe go bald.

decide for yourself.

Man I miss my hair... Used to be so thick and lushes my barber had to sharpen her tools multiple times a cut.

Now I can't get anything more than a slightly longer buzz cuz with some fades.
I literally could've been a hair model and it all went away and never returned after 2-3 months.

 

[RockyP]

You don't need anything beyond HRT, the peptides you mentioned, and GH to speed recovery. Forget the anavar. It's (medically) for burn victims lying in bed who can't move, and maybe some cachectic cancer patients who lost 50 lbs overnight.

If you run it for 12 weeks it will do nothing other than mess with your kidneys and cholesterol. Then, when you're healed and ready to train, you wont be able to run any gear because your HDL will be in single digits and your Cystatin C may be out of whack.

My idea is test 200, BPC / TB in escalating dosages, GH 4 iu.

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

What injury do you have and why do you even think the solution is PEDS?

You are young, your T is not low and you probably have high naturally hgh levels. Taking hgh at a low dose may result in less hgh because exogenous hgh shuts down naturally production.

Please share your thought process.

I have a tfcc tear

Shoulder instability and proximal bicep tendonitis

And the knee, internal bone bruising, Hoffas fat pad impingement, high riding patella, and a MCL and meniscus tear

Test promotes protein synthesis for new tissue growth, reducing inflammation, and improving nutrient delivery to the injured area

There's anecdotal reports of anvar helping heal ligament injuries and obviously it's been used to help burn patients

Hgh helps with collegian synthesis, cell repair and tissue regeneration

And bpc and tb500 is used for injuries by loads of people

I quickly rushed this answer because I need to go back to sleep just woke up for a minute

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

You don't need anything beyond HRT, the peptides you mentioned, and GH to speed recovery. Forget the anavar. It's (medically) for burn victims lying in bed who can't move, and maybe some cachectic cancer patients who lost 50 lbs overnight.

If you run it for 12 weeks it will do nothing other than mess with your kidneys and cholesterol. Then, when you're healed and ready to train, you wont be able to run any gear because your HDL will be in single digits and your Cystatin C may be out of whack.

My idea is test 200, BPC / TB in escalating dosages, GH 4 iu.

Alright so skip the anvar

Also I do not want to go onto more cycles after this. I compete in sports with actual rigorous drug testing. I'm just desperate to be healed at this point

With 200 mg test weekly for a while is there much risk of permanent suppression if I do pct after?

Also I'll reply to everyone else in the morning I gotta sleep appreciate the helpful responses everyone

 

[malomkarom]

Also I do not want to go onto more cycles after this.

wonder where I might have heard that before
I have a long ass comment waiting for approval, that's a bit more helpful, I just couldn't skip over this.

 

[RockyP]

Alright so skip the anvar

Also I do not want to go onto more cycles after this. I compete in sports with actual rigorous drug testing. I'm just desperate to be healed at this point

With 200 mg test weekly for a while is there much risk of permanent suppression if I do pct after?

Also I'll reply to everyone else in the morning I gotta sleep appreciate the helpful responses everyone

200 test may or may not cause some suppression. It's a high end HRT dosage and when you stop it you should resume your normal test production. The recovery will mostly come from GH / BPC / TB. Unless you're hypogonadal (you said you were test levels 600's) you can prob even skip the test if you wanted to.

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

wonder where I might have heard that before
I have a long ass comment waiting for approval, that's a bit more helpful, I just couldn't skip over this.

Haha trust me. I don't even want to build a lot of muscle it's a negative for my sport. Am not a bodybuilder but Ik everyone says it. And I appreciate it bro. Going to sleep now will respond in the morning

 

[malomkarom]

Haha trust me. I don't even want to build a lot of muscle. Am not a bodybuilder but Ik everyone says it.

Wonder where I might have heard that before.

 

[RockyP]

oh yeah i forgot to mention that part...

Maybe it's best to just use the BPC / TB500. Forget the GH / test.

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

oh yeah i forgot to mention that part...

Maybe it's best to just use the BPC / TB500. Forget the GH / test.

Last message before I sleep

I've used bpc 157 and tb500 legit stuff. Maybe I'm a non responder maybe the injuries are too intense but it absolutely wasn't enough on its own

 

[BigDadd7]

So a common trend in noting on this site is people don't read what a post is, then they send the most stupid reply possible while being a smug asshole acting like they did something.

What am I trying to reinvent?

Cant lift weights rn but sure good solution bud.

I absolutely gurantee when not injured I workout harder and more then you ever have.

No where near have I complained about not being able to gain weight. My goal isn't even to build muscle it's to heal injuries. If you could read maybe you'd understand that. Literally the first fucking sentence in the post

A common thread I'm noticing is that you kids are retarded and don't understand simple advice.

 

[sionnach]

You don't need anything beyond HRT, the peptides you mentioned, and GH to speed recovery. Forget the anavar. It's (medically) for burn victims lying in bed who can't move, and maybe some cachectic cancer patients who lost 50 lbs overnight.

A common thread I'm noticing is that you kids are retarded and don't understand simple advice.

What is it with noobs and var? I started seeing this around 2018-19 and it's only magnified since then, so much that it's a fucking meme now. What kicked this shit off?

 

[BigDadd7]

What is it with noobs and var? I started seeing this around 2018-19 and it's only magnified since then, so much that it's a fucking meme now. What kicked this shit off?

Something about taking a pill gets them excited.

 

[the~club~bro]

As I've said in other posts I'm pretty heavily injured. I'm doing all the right things pt nutrition etc wise but struggling to make progress. I want a boost. Obviously will be doing more bpc 157 and tb500 and possibly lower dosed hgh

But how stupid would doing 300 MG of test and low dose anvar for 12 weeks be at the age of 23? What are the risks of permanent suppression with this? I'd like to be able to return to being 'natural' after.

And what's the risk of any other serious side effects or facial aging with this route

Obviously will get pre and during blood tests aswell if I go this route.

I'm also on Finasteride and slowly transitioning to dutasteride and on oral Minoxidil, not sure how extreme with would be on hairloss?

Edit: also my natural test level albiet tested like a year back is 670

Ah man fuck these replies. So many boomer karen grandmas on this forum.

I won't give any direct advice but you will probably find the symposium @Type-IIx conducted which showcases a worked example of a 26 year old male model to be of interest to you.

tldr - 8 week cycle of test, tren, masteron & anavar to avoid shutdown

presentation pdf and youtube audio of the presentation ->
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUDyXN4NzHU




Should give you some food for thought.

all the best

 

[BigDadd7]

Looks like a legit source for advice... brah...