Did they also run the tests that include plastics and such? GCMS (maybe the wrong test)?
Underdosed doesnt surprised me, but I meant for leeching issues or any weird compunds/chemicals also in the vial.
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Did they also run the tests that include plastics and such? GCMS (maybe the wrong test)?
Underdosed doesnt surprised me, but I meant for leeching issues or any weird compunds/chemicals also in the vial.
Ooo not too sure I’m sure @readalot can point you in the right direction maybe if you haven’t tried the search bar
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For what it’s worth. I would still continue to buy your products even if marked up 10-15% for better improvements made for harm reduction etc!
Photon
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It doesn't work this way.
When you send in for testing, you need to know what you are looking for upfront. You don't just send in a vial and everything bad turns up like a report.
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Does your brewer have any comments on the results?
I'm also curious about this, which is found in the yellow vial (new batch) but not red vial (old batch).
Looks like a dye of some sort.
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Could these be products of the manufacturing of the raws themselves? Only one way to know for sure i suppose.@Primal_Pharma
Does your brewer have any comments on the results?
I'm also curious about this, which is found in the yellow vial (new batch) but not red vial (old batch).
Looks like a dye of some sort.
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Photon
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No idea.
Heard. Sandbox?
Yeah interesting how this supplier has bowed down and has done exactly what you want. You always have a crusade. Your tren things fell flat, your toxic metals thing fell flat, the new crusade? I totally get user safety but these goal posts
I'm with you bro. These guys move the goal post. At 1st it was some heavy metals that fell on its face, then some tren purity that fell on its face, now it's what, stoppers? Shit gets old. Need to change your handle from @Readsalot to @atpostsalot
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I'm also curious about this, which is found in the yellow vial (new batch) but not red vial (old batch).
Looks like a dye of some sort.
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Jano has answered this question in the other thread regarding the potential yellow dye.
Looks like Tren degradation.
TallandSmall
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I disagree. We found out that we probably don’t need to worry about toxic metals. We found out that color may not have a big impact on Tren quality. I don’t know why everyone thinks finding nothing is a failure. If we are testing for heavy metas, aren’t we hoping to find nothing? Isn’t nothing a good result?
That's the issue. This user spams the board with their crusade, and none of them have equated to anything. Come w the real or don't come at all, not some bs theory without scientific testing behind it.
That being said I appreciate your testing.
I have test e and c out for testing
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Earthworm Jim
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I think I was the first person to comment on readalots posting because he comes off as a compliance expert but honestly what he is doing is important to some of us here. I'm learning way more about harm reduction than I knew there was to learn. Here and in the testing thread... It's one thing to hear about side effects of tren but I appreciate having to confront evidence of contamination and make a sober decision about continuing to use. Respectfully, If I was bothered by this thread I would go somewhere else and just let this be what it is
sionnach
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Busy day for me today, just catching up on the hysteria.
To prevent any kneejerk REEEEsponses to what I'm about to say, please let the record show:
I don't want bullshit in my gear. I'm not posing any "pushback" to product improvement. I fully support the quest for better gear. I would absolutely pay a higher price for a product that ensures peace of mind as far as contaminants or other safety concerns.
That said, I'm in no rush to go dumping my gear down the drain, @Primal_Pharma or otherwise. No product or brand I currently use has given me any problems, and blood labs confirm all products are performing their intended tasks. (Side note: I once had some mast that I was nearly convinced gave me wicked diarrhea. I finished the bottle anyway cuz it might've just been a stomach bug. That brand isn't around anymore, but if I'd known you all back then I probably would've sent it in for tests. I do appreciate that guys like @readalot et al are always on the ball for standards, and the new perspective for harm reduction I have because of it.)
Thank you to @Photon for the extra time, money, and effort toward harm reduction through science, but today's posted results, as I read them, only offer more questions:
What exactly are these substances?
Are we certain the peaks have been identified correctly?
Are they contaminants or regularly occurring ambient/background substances for the materials used?
Are they simply undesireables, or do they pose a risk?
What are the risks for humans?
At what concentration do these risks appear?
Are they short term risks with acute symptoms, or only from long term use?
What is the source (steroid raws, MCT, solvents, packaging materials for ingredients, mixing labware, filtration labware, pipettes/tubing/syringes, vials, stoppers, labware used at time of testing, etc)?
Are they present in other products from the same lab, or are they specific to the tren?
Are they present in similar products from other labs?
And many other tangents depending on how specific we want to get. If we want more answers, let's go get them. But we have to be scientific and systematic about it, follow the troubleshooting flowchart, or we run the risk of turning this rabbithole into a goose chase or worse, a witch hunt.
Today this thread went from zero to OMFG RED ALERT way too fast, and from my perspective a few steps were skipped. Relax. Check your E2. Make a plan.
Until we have one, I'm still pinning gobs of gear when I wake up in the morning, and I'll probably even order more to hoard for when the Rawpocalypse really hits hard.
phenominal34
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And a lot more ppl feel this way 100%, they just don’t speak up.
Also look at when someone doesn’t jump on his dick, he laugh emojis them in their post while 6-7 others like it.
It’s happening like it should. Get rid of the this clown.
@readalot … here’s an idea, you’re a smart guy not taking that away. Go start your own forum. You live in them anyways !! I’ll donate to you doing that lol
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Photon
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Long post, lots of questions, but I am not in a position to answer most of them.
I do not wish to spend time arguing online with vendors on what they should use or not when brewing, it's their business and every decision is a cost they have to factor.
I have mentioned before that the brewing setup used is not compatible with the products they are selling.
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What was detected is simply melted polystyrene, a plastic that is used in bottletop filters. Let's not even get to the point where they are using PVDF filters, which was not tested for, which also should not be used when dealing with high BB solutions (all their HC gear).
I cannot tell you how much melted plastic or filters exist in each vial, nor can i determine the risk, both short or long term or which products and batches it occurs in. It may leech in one batch, but not the other, depending on how much solvents are used for that specific batch, or amount of oil filtered. This isn't the only vendor using polystyrene bottletop filters. It should not be used with BB/BA.
Primal has already agreed to send in 12 vials for GCMS 3 weeks ago.
I recommend doing this for all HC gear first and then the rest of the testing done on normal concentration gear. I'm not sure when he plans to do this, but It takes less than 1 week to send samples to Jano. However rather than asking the vendor to test, I much prefer people who have purchased said products to do the testing. Primal has the best testing reimbursement policy currently on Meso.
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Is this present in other labs?
I don't know. Someone would have to lead the project to find out, but that someone is not me. I shall stick to posting gifs.
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sionnach
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Which peak are you referring to? Jano mentioned peak 3 in the report but that's not a styrene. Sure, you can use it to make styrenes if you rip the nitrogen off, but it's also naturally occurring, including in things you eat.
DoubleDeez
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Why don’t you go somewhere else if this thread upsets you so much? Why don’t you and your friends take your bitching and whining about @readalot to another thread? Start your own forum for your obsession? All anyone sees from you here is an anti-@readalot crusade, which is a lot less useful than whatever @readalot is focusing on. Do you think your incessant complaints about one user add more value to the community than all the harm reduction talk that has been highly educational for many of us? Why do you feel it’s up to you to police this thread?
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