What's the largest test only cycle you ran, and what were your results?

[appealmaxed]

always bloat regardless of leanless or estrogen. i think there is diminishing returns just using more of one compound.

do you bloat even at trt dosages?

ever used test P? When I used Test E i was bloated asf, but not on Test P at 250mg.

Currently on 1g though and bloated as shit.

 

[Slowww]

Do you guys bulk or try to recomp when taking these insane doses. Cuz I can imagine u can just build muscle with eating barley anything. Ofc if it’s your highest dose which means you respond better with a new stimulus/record high dose. Also depends on how many yrs you’ve lifted,

bulk, need food to make muscle. Use most gear with most food for most muscle

 

[ackmack78]

250-750 is what I have run for the last two years. I’ve put on 30lbs at the end of cuts. I will usually fill the rest of gear with other compounds.
Personally I don’t see the point in running test only except for health phases and trt.
This time i will run more than 750 so i will see if it’s worth it or not. Im gonna guess it will be more muscle though because why wouldn’t it be lmao.
I can’t say how many weeks because I titrate up and down. Maybe 16 weeks though in a surplus at 750 test, not counting other injectable anabolics added here and there

Do you gain all of those 30lbs in 16 weeks?

 

[Liter O' Test]

do you bloat even at trt dosages?

ever used test P? When I used Test E i was bloated asf, but not on Test P at 250mg.

Currently on 1g though and bloated as shit.

test p wont get you to the same levels of test e mg for mg
i dont think i bloat at trt doses, im saying more testosterone is more adolsterone and mineral retention

 

[Slowww]

Do you gain all of those 30lbs in 16 weeks?

Not muscle, no but I will generally gain about 40-50 (about 15 muscle, that will keep after a cut, and the rest is fat and water/nitrogen etc. + muscle that is catabolized) over the course of 24 weeks (trt, cruise & blast). Cant expect to gain 30lbs of muscle in a cycle or even a year even if you’re an absolute freak tbh.

 

[Dafty]

Do you guys bulk or try to recomp when taking these insane doses. Cuz I can imagine u can just build muscle with eating barley anything. Ofc if it’s your highest dose which means you respond better with a new stimulus/record high dose. Also depends on how many yrs you’ve lifted,

I'm guessing you're relatively new to this; IE in first 3-5 years of enhancement?

Cause these are not "insane" doses by any stretch of the imagination - for serious advanced strength athletes or bodybuilders 2g-3g cycles are par for the course.

No you can't grow eating barely anything, laws of thermodynamics still apply.

Truth is when you're 120kg lean and deadlifting 300kg+ then cycles of 500mg aren't going to do much....

 

[Ryu82]

Test only for health phases or TRT, but; a couple decades ago a ran 1g test solo...grew some nice boobs.

The highest I have gone since is 750mg but stacked with other compounds (typically mast)

 

[NightBeast666]

I'm curious what the highest test only cycle people have ran here, for how long, and what y'all's results looked like.

I searched the forum but didn't see any topic dedicated to this, and since I've seen a lot of people pushing it as one of the best options as of late in terms of balance between gains and health, it'd be nice to have some data in one place!

2.5 grams a week.
Pharma grade Testoviron from Bayer. Alongwith 6 IUs of Genotropin before bed.

This was almost 5 years ago. Ran it for 20 weeks. Ofcourse I had my AIs and bp meds at hand.

The Pros-
1. Gains were phenomenal. I gained 15 lbs of lean muscle tissue. Sides were much easier to handle than say 1 gram test and 500-700 EQ.

2. Mood- Was excellent. It was like how I used to be in my teenage years- free of all sorts of worries and anxiety. I am an extrovert by nature and it accelerated that nature of mine. I was being over-friendly and social to everyone I met. People started praising me behind my back.

3. Slept like a baby multiple times a day- short, but fulfilling naps.

4. Sex drive was uncontrollable. Me and my wife were on a tour to Scotland (to meet my parents) and I would find ways to fuck her all the time, in the garden, at the stable, in the kitchen, in the car. When she couldn't keep up, I didn't go on ad cheat on her (like I did while I was on Tren). Rather, I had calm meaningful romantic conversations with her...something which she by her own admission, have craved for years. It made me a better man.

5. Haemoglobin A1CT- It improved.

6. Hunger- Was through the roof. I could eat anything and not gain fat.

Coming to the downsides-
1. Water retention- went away with the use of dyaside and supplements like MHP XPEL.

2. Frequently going hypo- 2 hours post a big meal, my blood glucose dropped to 70. Didn't pay much attention to it and thankfully it didn't get worse. At times, I was in a stoned-like mood. Fasted bg was like 60.

3. Thickening of moustache and beard- I already have thick facial hair. But fuck it, shaving every other day during that phase became a PITA.

Will I do it again? Fuck YES. Infact, I have grown tired of running multiple compounds over the years for my bulking phase. From now on, I'll go Test only for my bulk and Tren + estradiol only for my cut. In addition to 8-10 IUs of GH a day and a little bit of slin as a way to control my blood glucose.

Even on a small dosage of say 600-750 mgs a day, I'd suggest anyone to run Test only with 6-8 IUs of GH a day and a little bit of fast acting slin and gauge the results for themselves. Ofcourse, keep AIs and bp meds handy- using them isn't a bad thing to do.

 

[watchtymeflyyy]

no bloat face = no progress tbh

you won't bloat up on mast and you won't gain shit on it either
gh is the worst offender

I’ve been a lot dry since I lowered my HGH dose to 4IU

 

[ackmack78]

Not muscle, no but I will generally gain about 40-50 (about 15 muscle, that will keep after a cut, and the rest is fat and water/nitrogen etc. + muscle that is catabolized) over the course of 24 weeks (trt, cruise & blast). Cant expect to gain 30lbs of muscle in a cycle or even a year even if you’re an absolute freak tbh.

Ya I figured that it was total weight not all muscle. But that's still damn good results and genetics for muscle gain to be able to do that every time.

I put on a great 35-40lbs over 20 weeks on my first cycle. Tried it again my 2nd cycle and realized I can't gain that much anymore after my first cycle. Gotta watch the fat gain a little closer. I'm more of a gain a lb a week guy now

 

[Slowww]

Ya I figured that it was total weight not all muscle. But that's still damn good results and genetics for muscle gain to be able to do that every time.

I put on a great 35-40lbs over 20 weeks on my first cycle. Tried it again my 2nd cycle and realized I can't gain that much anymore after my first cycle. Gotta watch the fat gain a little closer. I'm more of a gain a lb a week guy now

Yeah every time is about 15lbs give or take. I also think good coaching, and a proper protocol year round is a bit part because installed oit super hard after my first cycle too. I gained 60+lb and was like fuck I’ll be 260 tomorrow and now it is a couple years down the line and I’m still not there hahaha.

After that I changed coaches to a more serious one and it was like the first cycle all over again lmao, but I really think a lot of the first one was fat I could’ve avoided and just been way leaner, and really the muscle would’ve been close to what I get now anyways. Maybe beginners also can’t twll they’re gaining a fuck ton of fat and water but feel like it’s gains because it is size haha

 

[appealmaxed]

test p wont get you to the same levels of test e mg for mg

its more no?

 

[120nmol]

Test e 1750 (bayer ampule a day)
Aromasin 25 daily
Caber 1mg a week
Adderall 30 daily
Felt amazing cns was at 200% didn’t give a fk about anything it was years ago..

 

[RockyP]

2.5 grams a week.
Pharma grade Testoviron from Bayer. Alongwith 6 IUs of Genotropin before bed.

This was almost 5 years ago. Ran it for 20 weeks. Ofcourse I had my AIs and bp meds at hand.

The Pros-
1. Gains were phenomenal. I gained 15 lbs of lean muscle tissue. Sides were much easier to handle than say 1 gram test and 500-700 EQ.

2. Mood- Was excellent. It was like how I used to be in my teenage years- free of all sorts of worries and anxiety. I am an extrovert by nature and it accelerated that nature of mine. I was being over-friendly and social to everyone I met. People started praising me behind my back.

3. Slept like a baby multiple times a day- short, but fulfilling naps.

4. Sex drive was uncontrollable. Me and my wife were on a tour to Scotland (to meet my parents) and I would find ways to fuck her all the time, in the garden, at the stable, in the kitchen, in the car. When she couldn't keep up, I didn't go on ad cheat on her (like I did while I was on Tren). Rather, I had calm meaningful romantic conversations with her...something which she by her own admission, have craved for years. It made me a better man.

5. Haemoglobin A1CT- It improved.

6. Hunger- Was through the roof. I could eat anything and not gain fat.

Coming to the downsides-
1. Water retention- went away with the use of dyaside and supplements like MHP XPEL.

2. Frequently going hypo- 2 hours post a big meal, my blood glucose dropped to 70. Didn't pay much attention to it and thankfully it didn't get worse. At times, I was in a stoned-like mood. Fasted bg was like 60.

3. Thickening of moustache and beard- I already have thick facial hair. But fuck it, shaving every other day during that phase became a PITA.

Will I do it again? Fuck YES. Infact, I have grown tired of running multiple compounds over the years for my bulking phase. From now on, I'll go Test only for my bulk and Tren + estradiol only for my cut. In addition to 8-10 IUs of GH a day and a little bit of slin as a way to control my blood glucose.

Even on a small dosage of say 600-750 mgs a day, I'd suggest anyone to run Test only with 6-8 IUs of GH a day and a little bit of fast acting slin and gauge the results for themselves. Ofcourse, keep AIs and bp meds handy- using them isn't a bad thing to do.

I might have missed it but did you test your labs while running 2500 mg test? I'd be most interested in your Hemoglobin, Hematocrit, and lipid values.

 

[Elmeche697]

I started off with test c 250 mg twice. Week then bumped up to 375 mg 3 times a week. That’s the highest so far. Around week 8 acne started to kick in so I’m going to be micro dosing and adding some supps before I go any higher

 

[BigDadd7]

I started off with test c 250 mg twice. Week then bumped up to 375 mg 3 times a week. That’s the highest so far. Around week 8 acne started to kick in so I’m going to be micro dosing and adding some supps before I go any higher

All off of feelz?

 

[NightBeast666]

I might have missed it but did you test your labs while running 2500 mg test? I'd be most interested in your Hemoglobin, Hematocrit, and lipid values.

Yes, I did, like I do in every cycle that I run.

All were in the higher end of normal. Hematrocrit was elevated for the first half of the cycle, but subsided back to normal levels as I used dyaside to expel excessive water and in addition, started drinking more of my electrolyte shakes.

 

[RockyP]

Yes, I did, like I do in every cycle that I run.

All were in the higher end of normal. Hematrocrit was elevated for the first half of the cycle, but subsided back to normal levels as I used dyaside to expel excessive water and in addition, started drinking more of my electrolyte shakes.

diuretic for high hematocrit?

 

[ChemBB]

2.5 grams a week.
Pharma grade Testoviron from Bayer. Alongwith 6 IUs of Genotropin before bed.

Will I do it again? Fuck YES. Infact, I have grown tired of running multiple compounds over the years for my bulking phase. From now on, I'll go Test only for my bulk and Tren + estradiol only for my cut. In addition to 8-10 IUs of GH a day and a little bit of slin as a way to control my blood glucose.

Even on a small dosage of say 600-750 mgs a day, I'd suggest anyone to run Test only with 6-8 IUs of GH a day and a little bit of fast acting slin and gauge the results for themselves. Ofcourse, keep AIs and bp meds handy- using them isn't a bad thing to do.

It seems we're of the same mind in terms of gear philosophy.

I was planning on running a Tren + E2 Cyp only blast and posting here.
If you look at the evidence behind it, it makes a lot of sense.

There are multiple papers showing that Tren is cardioprotective and suggesting it as an alternative to TRT due to reduced androgenic activity.

(Doses used were 2mg/kg, human-equivalent roughly = 0.325mg/kg. Something like 30-35mg/day (210-245mg/wk) for a 90-110kg person)

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Research Evidence:

17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate

"Our findings indicate that TREN has advantages over supraphysiological testosterone and supports the need for future preclinical studies examining the viability of TREN as an option for androgen replacement therapy."

Improvements in body composition, cardiometabolic risk factors and insulin sensitivity with trenbolone in normogonadic rats

• Trenbolone decreased fat mass by 37% and increased lean mass by 11%
• No evidence of adverse cardiac (e.g., no fibrosis or impaired ischemia tolerance) or hepatic effects

Trenbolone Improves Cardiometabolic Risk Factors and Myocardial Tolerance to Ischemia-Reperfusion in Male Rats With Testosterone-Deficient Metabolic Syndrome

• Reduced subcutaneous and visceral fat accumulation, hypertriglyceridemia, hypercholesterolemia, hyperinsulinemia, and myocardial damage compared to untreated deficient rats
• Improved myocardial tolerance to ischemia-reperfusion injury, suggesting cardioprotective effects
• Metabolic benefits included better insulin sensitivity and lipid profiles

 

[NightBeast666]

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diuretic for high hematocrit?

Not for high hematocrit, but for losing the excess water that I was holding. That in turn reduced my bp and rhr significantly. Adding in high amount of electrolytes helped a lot. Which in addition lowered my hematocrit to near normal levels.