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[Photon]

I want to switch to E to reduce the EOD injections but I haven’t figured out to make the transition yet.

Just start pinning LOL

 

[RockyP]

BAC doesn't kill bacteria, but it'll prevent them from multiplying.

There are a long list of health damaging risks from the cumulative impact of repeatedly injecting small amounts of bacteria and / or endotoxin that don't induce any acute reactions like an abscess or inflammation.

We know this from observational evidence of other injectable drug users, and their much higher rates of conditions attributable to bacterial infections that can escape immune system surveillance, sometimes "incubating" for years.

Fair - but most IVDU individuals are sharing / re-using needles, not cleaning the skin before injecting, etc. Their complications of endocarditis and the like tend to be colonized by normal skin flora (though this can vary widely) which would suggest that the contaminant is dirty skin / injection site. I think there may be a few confounding variables comparing them to folks using peptides, but your point is well taken. Lots of re-sellers are proud to show off the COA's of their reta vials but I have not seen any testing on sterility / heavy metals / endotoxin, etc. If there are any vendors that do this I would be all ears.

 

[hawk1g]

Just start pinning LOL

thats literally how the "transition" would work lol. not rocket science xD lol

 

[BigDadd7]

I want to switch to E to reduce the EOD injections but I haven’t figured out to make the transition yet.

I know A is smarter. After 15ish years, I hate pinning lol. It's bad enough I have to do subq every day with hgh. I refuse to do IM more than twice a week. I was only doing once a week with test. I begrudgingly went to twice a week for tren e. I've never ran it this low before, we'll see if it's worth the trouble.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Just start pinning LOL

I like your style. Haha

 

[Ghoul]

Fair - but most IVDU individuals are sharing / re-using needles, not cleaning the skin before injecting, etc. I think there may be a few confounding variables comparing them to folks using peptides, but I think your point is well taken. Lots of re-sellers are proud to show off the COA's of their reta vials but I have not seen any testing on sterility / heavy metals / endotoxin, etc. If there are any vendors that do this I would be all ears.

Don't be so quick to distance yourself from the risks other "PWID" (people who inject drugs) are exposed to.

Most of them have easy access to and use fresh needles, sterile water for injection, and even syringe filters are available and used by many from needle exchanges.

At the end of the day, the drugs being injected by us are still bypassing most immune protections, are coming from unregulated labs run by Chinese criminals, are demonstrably unsterile at a high, likely severely under-measured rate, in the cheapest vials they can find almost certain to have a high particulate burden. In general, no one is testing for contamination of any kind, only "purity" to make sure you have the correct compound and not getting ripped off.

Also, risk increases with exposure.

With the fairly recent addition of peptides as PEDs, no one injects the kind of volume we do as a group. A heroin user or diabetic isn't pumping as much into their bodies as most of us. At a conservative average of .5 ml/day, we're injecting the equivalent of 5% of our total blood volume a year. That's an incredible amount.

 

[RockyP]

Don't be so quick to distance yourself from the risks other "PWID" (people who inject drugs) are exposed to.

Most of them have easy access to and use fresh needles, sterile water for injection, and even syringe filters are available and used by many from needle exchanges.

At the end of the day, the drugs being injected by us are still bypassing most immune protections, are coming from unregulated labs run by Chinese criminals, are demonstrably unsterile at a high, likely severely under-measured rate, in the cheapest vials they can find almost certain to have a high particulate burden. In general, no one is testing for contamination of any kind, only "purity" to make sure you have the correct compound and not getting ripped off.

Also, risk increases with exposure.

With the fairly recent addition of peptides as PEDs, no one injects the kind of volume we do as a group. A heroin user or diabetic isn't pumping as much into their bodies as most of us. At a conservative average of .5 ml/day, we're injecting the equivalent of 5% of our total blood volume a year. That's an incredible amount.

I agree the risk is real. I'd just like to see some data / testing before descending in to a caldron of paranoia. This might be something the members can also collectively fund / invest in, though I don't know what lab would run these tests. The UGL AAS and HGH markets have been around for decades. Where are the bodies from that? It's the same unsavory demographic running the show. And as you know, even highly regulated bodies like the FDA have issues with contamination / outbreaks of all sorts of things food and drug-related, not to mention deadly side effects of "approved" drugs. I'm not handwaving, but let's be honest, these "barriers" to risk we erect in our minds are just that, imaginary. We once again arrive back at the same spot of finding our own comfort level with the risk that surrounds us all and finding solace in the decisions we make.

 

[BigDadd7]

I agree the risk is real. I'd just like to see some data / testing before descending in to a caldron of paranoia. This might be something the members can also collectively fund / invest in, though I don't know what lab would run these tests. The UGL AAS and HGH markets have been around for decades. Where are the bodies from that? It's the same unsavory demographic running the show. And as you know, even highly regulated bodies like the FDA have issues with contamination / outbreaks of all sorts of things food and drug-related, not to mention deadly side effects of "approved" drugs. I'm not handwaving, but let's be honest, these "barriers" to risk we erect in our minds are just that, imaginary. We once again arrive back at the same spot of finding our own comfort level with the risk that surrounds us all and finding solace in the decisions we make.

That's very halloweeny of you.

 

[RockyP]

That's very halloweeny of you.

My gorilla costume is being fitted as we speak.

 

[sionnach]

Lots of re-sellers are proud to show off the COA's of their reta vials but I have not seen any testing on sterility / heavy metals / endotoxin, etc. If there are any vendors that do this I would be all ears.

A few of the higher-end (read: way overpriced) domestic peptide vendors test for endotoxin and sterility, like Skye and Peptide Crafters. I don't think I've seen heavy metals though.

 

[Photon]

A few of the higher-end (read: way overpriced) domestic peptide vendors test for endotoxin and sterility, like Skye and Peptide Crafters. I don't think I've seen heavy metals though.

I've only seen heavy matters testing done in raws.

 

[sionnach]

My gorilla costume is being fitted as we speak.

Gorilla postman?

 

[sionnach]

I know A is smarter. After 15ish years, I hate pinning lol. It's bad enough I have to do subq every day with hgh. I refuse to do IM more than twice a week. I was only doing once a week with test. I begrudgingly went to twice a week for tren e. I've never ran it this low before, we'll see if it's worth the trouble.

I actually enjoy it. If I don't get that Pavlov response dopamine in the morning, it's like missing out on morning coffee. Almost like the incompleteness feeling when you know you forgot to do something but can't remember what. I prefer prop and short esters on nearly everything.

 

[RockyP]

A few of the higher-end (read: way overpriced) domestic peptide vendors test for endotoxin and sterility, like Skye and Peptide Crafters. I don't think I've seen heavy metals though.

Had to do a double take on those prices. If they’re getting their shit from china like everyone else, I suppose it’s possible that other vendors have this same material? @Ghoul may have scared me into using them. Sterility and endotoxin testing with batch numbers is nice. But man it’s pricey.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

Top tier packaging. Best I’ve ever seen lol. Fast TA.

 

[AllbrandNew]

Digging the blue bottles! (No idea why it matters, but they look nice)

 

[sionnach]

Digging the blue bottles! (No idea why it matters, but they look nice)

Pro tip: if you're a bac water hoarder like me, and have one of those bougie 3d printed cases for it, Primal orals bottles will fit in there too.

 

[Elektrobot]

called quest yesterday for update on estradiol results was told wont be ready until October 3rd now

The sample is supposedly only good for 14 days. Might want to raise that issue with them.

I'm going to call them today because I am experiencing the same thing- along with a few others in here I think.

 

[AllbrandNew]

Pro tip: if you're a bac water hoarder like me, and have one of those bougie 3d printed cases for it, Primal orals bottles will fit in there too.

Oh nice. Not that bougie currently, but I do have aspirations, so good to know!

 

[Elektrobot]

USP rated vials which use proper pharma grade materials

So better materials = good, but there are complaints about it?

You don't really know what UGL vendors use

...... unless we do know, by looking at it

I probably won't be using vendor bought gear anymore

Vendors don't have to improve because you don't need them to?

It's exhausting fighting with vendors

I think we are all in here having a good time with it. And I don't think anyone sees it as a "fight". Negativity can suck the joy and energy out of things man. Nobody that is suggesting ways to improve is leading with negativity. That shit is coming from somewhere else