No energy/Fatigue

vitamin D?
you wake up to piss twice a night, thats a sleep apnea sign

tren makes me stop doing all the pointless shit and focus on the important real things in life so maybe its still doing that for you.

really this posts sounds like you are trying to chatgpt yourself into taking some random mental medications, want validation from SOMEONE to say its OK, all so you can enjoy video games again?

i think ghoul is right

but get labs
 
Nah bruh, he needs sea kelp cuz iodine /s

I have such an awesome life with babies, hot women that loves me, more work than I can chew ect I forget that others are struggling some times. Probs right

Say no more. I shall eat breath and sleep with sea kelp starting from today.
 
vitamin D?
you wake up to piss twice a night, thats a sleep apnea sign

tren makes me stop doing all the pointless shit and focus on the important real things in life so maybe its still doing that for you.

really this posts sounds like you are trying to chatgpt yourself into taking some random mental medications, want validation from SOMEONE to say its OK, all so you can enjoy video games again?

i think ghoul is right

but get labs
I supplement vitamin d, magnesium, ksm-66. I wake up at night cuz before bed I chug like 2L of coke zero. I just woke up from a deep 9.5 hour sleep.

I mainly opened this discussion to see if anyone had faces similar issues and if they knew what their root cause was, not to apply to myself but genuinely curious. As I said I spend most of my day here just reading and I get curious.

Gonna get labs to check everything out.

If you’re suspecting it’s sleep apnea, what do you suggest, a CPAP machine?. Can waking up twice be an issue? Seems fairly normal to me.

I do feel like Ghoul is right and what scares me is how tf can that be fixed.
 
I supplement vitamin d, magnesium, ksm-66. I wake up at night cuz before bed I chug like 2L of coke zero. I just woke up from a deep 9.5 hour sleep.

I mainly opened this discussion to see if anyone had faces similar issues and if they knew what their root cause was, not to apply to myself but genuinely curious. As I said I spend most of my day here just reading and I get curious.

Gonna get labs to check everything out.

If you’re suspecting it’s sleep apnea, what do you suggest, a CPAP machine?. Can waking up twice be an issue? Seems fairly normal to me.

I do feel like Ghoul is right and what scares me is how tf can that be fixed.
Are you stupid? Why would you do that?

You sound like a whiny hypochondriac. Get off video games. Get out of the house. Go do something besides live in the internet. And stop eating cheetos.
 
Are you stupid? Why would you do that?

You sound like a whiny hypochondriac. Get off video games. Get out of the house. Go do something besides live in the internet. And stop eating cheetos.
It just became part of my nightly routine like 5 years ago, I never actually looked into whether it was good or bad. I guess I slipped into the habit and didn’t question it until now.

But can it be the root cause? I’ve doing this years and never had an issue. The crazy part is my brother has the same habit, but again it ik it sounds wrong to do but 4.5 yrs of doing this, can it be it? (This is all assuming labs come back fine)
 
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As I said I spend most of my day here just reading and I get curious.

I do feel like Ghoul is right and what scares me is how tf can that be fixed.

You have depression, you are bored, and this is because you lead a boring life that even you yourself are not interested in.

Get off the phone and find something that interests you.
 
You have depression, you are bored, and this is because you lead a boring life that even you yourself are not interested in.

Get off the phone and find something that interests you.
Hardest part is finding friends. I’ve always been alone. Care to be my friend?
 
You're wondering why you're tired and unmotivated after chugging 200mg caffeine before bed? wtf, that alone would explain it, let alone the rest of your story.

I know I'm an asshole for phrasing it this way, but ffs go and get a life. That's coming from someone that's spent all but 6h every day on this forum for over a week now.

Get a hobby you aren't bored by, go have fun. Doing the same shit you keep repeating you can't enjoy anymore isn't gonna make it better. What do you expect? One day you wake up and everything you aren't bothered by is suddenly your bread and butter again? People change and grow, you won't just repeat the same day for decades till the day you die and enjoy it every time.

I fought with myself trying to spend time playing games for a solid 4-5 years before I realised it just doesn't do anything for me anymore. I know what it's like, it's just a habbit like every other. Spend your time with shit you enjoy or atleast care about.

Get a new carreer, new hobby, move to a new town, go take a walk every day, try a sport. Hell, start learning to play an instrument, playing the clarinet and guitar saved my life as a teen.

Just do something.
 
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So we can conclude my dumbass is having a midlife crisis. I think I rly needed to hear that from someone else for it to actually sync in. Fuck I rly need a new hobby/smth interesting.
 
So we can conclude my dumbass is having a midlife crisis. I think I rly needed to hear that from someone else for it to actually sync in. Fuck I rly need a new hobby/smth interesting.
I'm pretty sure I needed my own words aswell if that helps, haven't really been fine in years, just not to your extent.

Signing up for mma and probably rock climbing once my fever starts settling, so in a couple of days.

I have quite a lot of free time nowadays even when I'm working and I check the forum often every day, so if you wish, feel free to hit me up when shit goes down or to help get ideas for something new.
I'll gladly converse with anyone in deep waters, no need to go down the route I did as a kid.

I know I'm a dickhead usually, I might have some anger management issues but I have a heart. We're in this together, keep your head up!

Sorry for publicly posting this instead of a DM but it is for everyone else reading too. I can't do much but will do it anytime.
 
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I'm pretty sure I needed my own words aswell if that helps, haven't really been fine in years, just not to your extent.

Signing up for mma and probably rock climbing once my fever starts settling, so in a couple of days.

I have quite a lot of free time nowadays even when I'm working and I check the forum often every day, so if you wish, feel free to hit me up when shit goes down or to help get ideas for something new.
I'll gladly converse with anyone in deep waters, no need to go down the route I did as a kid.

I know I'm a dickhead usually, I might have some anger management issues but I have a heart. We're in this together, keep your head up!

Sorry for publically posting this instead of a DM but it is for everyone else reading too. I can't do much but will do it anytime.
No need to apologize man, you’re all good. Trust me, I like when people come at me as straight as an arrow, as long as they have good intent. Plus I’ve read way worse on Meso. Thanks for the kind offer.
 
Yeah man.
I have fatigue issues constantly.
Tren makes it worse, cycles make it worse. It’s normal when you have ADHD. These compounds rewire adhd brains a little. Completely changes me when I’m on versus off cycle.

I used to be an avid gamer. Arma reforger was my shit. Now I barely want to touch it. Even hell divers. I barely touch games now.

But my main fatigue was due to my blood pressure being 130-140 & not being hydrated.
Once I got on Telm. It’s low 115-120. Fatigue has gone away.

But most times it’s honestly dopamine related
 
As I said I spend most of my day here just reading and I get curious.
My brother and I are polar opposites. He's apathetic towards life. He presents as ungroomed, lackadaisical, nonchalant, unresponsive and seemingly always tired, anxious and stressed. He was raised by our mother.

Our father raised me, and as a military man was strict, disciplined and regimented. It was not often, but it happened where at 430am on a school day I was roused out of bed to go fencing, milk cows, dig trenches or hold a light in an engine bay.

When my brother came to live with me when I was about 20, he asked me if I was high all day. I was totally perplexed. "You never stop moving, like someone that's been using coke"

I have a permanent nervous energy that I have not tried to crush, but simply direct like a river into a dam. I set myself up for success when I can. For instance, my job requires me to be on the phone for several hours a day, so the tasks that require almost no thought are arranged before me, when the phone rings, an ear bud goes in and I'm sweeping the floor, arranging parts and materials, orangizing tax shit ect.

This structure follows me home, the reason? Because if I sit, if I'm inert, I slow down. If tasks are not complete, anxiety boils up, fear of (who the fuck knows) starts to grip me. It only happened once where I was coming out of a breakup that was particularly heart achy and found myself being the couch potato reddit cruiser.

How I got out of it was crossfit, jitz and training hard again but more than anything, serving others. After reading all your posts in this thread it sounds like you're inert. The sentence quoted is a tadel tale.

In read a buddies suicide note in 2012 and it said "I'm useful to no one". Men need purpose. Get a purpose. You'll find yourself praying for more time in the day, hoping others are on time to not hold you up on your mission.

Don't have a mission? Go down to the local animal shelter and tell them you have X hours free everyday, or maybe go to AA and get put on the list as a support person for some poor fucker struggling to keep the bottle off their lips, or go to a soup kitchen and wash dishes. I've done all these things prior to children.

Severing ones self only is selfish and NO ONE wants to be remembered as useless to others. Serving nothing with useless tasks is the reason the Soviets had political prisoners digging holes to fill them in and moving piles of rocks, its soul crushing.

Severing others gives purpose and will lift you out of your funk. Foster a dog thats had the shit kicked out of it living on the street and nurse its mange and flees away.

Check back in in 6 months... Or be like my brother like a leaf on the wind and accomplish nothing for anyone, even yourself.
 
ok.. what IS your estrogen level?
you said you tested it, but you never gave it
  • Testosterone at 143.8 nmol/L = ~4148 ng/dL
  • Estradiol at 183 pmol/L = ~49.8 pg/mL
I upped my test e by 30mg since.

I take my Test E on Sat/Mon/Wed (extra injection day on Thursday when using short esters) injections and I tested on Monday pre injection.

I only use Test/Mast and I have perfected the ratios, never crashed my e2.
 
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  • Testosterone at 143.8 nmol/L = ~4148 ng/dL
  • Estradiol at 183 pmol/L = ~49.8 pg/mL
I upped my test e by 30mg since.

I take my Test E on Sat/Mon/Wed (extra injection day on Thursday when using short esters) injections and I tested on Monday pre injection.

I only use Test/Mast and I have perfected the ratios, never crashed my e2.
TBF for 4000 TT 50 might be low. I doN't really understand how it's that low on that much test either. Mast is not an AI, just masks sides btw, so that's not it.

Are you blasting? Surely seems like it. Probably time to take a long break while fixing your mental situation. Gonna be hard like this.

Edit: only asking cause for some reason 30mg test per week was noteworthy. I thought it trt+ with some mast or something.
 
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I supplement vitamin d, magnesium, ksm-66. I wake up at night cuz before bed I chug like 2L of coke zero. I just woke up from a deep 9.5 hour sleep.

I mainly opened this discussion to see if anyone had faces similar issues and if they knew what their root cause was, not to apply to myself but genuinely curious. As I said I spend most of my day here just reading and I get curious.

Gonna get labs to check everything out.

If you’re suspecting it’s sleep apnea, what do you suggest, a CPAP machine?. Can waking up twice be an issue? Seems fairly normal to me.

I do feel like Ghoul is right and what scares me is how tf can that be fixed.
2 liters of Coke zero before bed, surely you joke?
 
TBF for 4000 TT 50 might be low. I doN't really understand how it's that low on that much test either. Mast is not an AI, just masks sides btw, so that's not it.

Are you blasting? Surely seems like it. Probably time to take a long break while fixing your mental situation. Gonna be hard like this.
720mg Test e/550mg Mast e at the time of the test.

I try to keep my e2 within range due to having some water retention when it was high. Dropped alot of bf since, could try to let go of some of the mast and get it higher.

Now on 750mg test e, I could drop mast to 400 and see how I respond. Should be pushing towards 80-100pg/ml.
 
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