Here's my understanding of what we know about hair-safe(ish) protocols. Am I wrong or did I miss anything?

[deeoeraclea]

So, from what I can tell, there's no guaranteed hair-safe cycle. But, from what I can tell, there are two established protocols that seem to in some sense be "hair safe-ish".

1. Testosterone only with dutasteride (or finasteride). Testostereone reduces to DHT, which is one of the main causes of baldness. The dutasteride blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Of course, dutasteride comes with some undesirable side effects (e.g., ED, depression, etc.). But, I am focused only on hair here.

2. Deca only. Obviously, there are a myriad of reasons to not do a Deca only cycle. However, from a hair-loss perspective, a Deca only cycle will not likely lead to hair loss, as Deca reduces to DHN, which is a weaker androgen than DHT.

Other than options 1 and 2 above, it seems we don't really know much. If you add other steroids to testosterone (e.g., deca, mast, primo), the dustasteride could actually result in MORE hair loss than if you did not use dusateride.

Do I have that right?

Are there any hair-protective ancillaries that I can use that are helpful no matter what my steroid stack uses?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Topical minoxidil daily + once weekly micro needling

you can look it up, there are studies (I've posted some here)

 

[BigDadd7]

Dutasteride does 90% of the work for preventing hairloss. The rest is helpful, but not miraculous.

Deca only is just dumb for too many reasons to list.

 

[deeoeraclea]

Dutasteride does 90% of the work for preventing hairloss. The rest is helpful, but not miraculous.

Deca only is just dumb for too many reasons to list.

Are your referring to Dutasteride in a test-only cycle? From what I have read, as soon as you start mixing in other anabolics with Test (e.g., Test + Deca), then Dutasteride can actually be harmful.

Also, I believe I mentioned being aware of problems associated with Deca only.

Explainer from MPMD:
View: https://youtu.be/egi9I1KPtwk?si=fHeIl5pmY-W3R4eo

 

[BigDadd7]

Are your referring to Dutasteride in a test-only cycle? From what I have read, as soon as you start mixing in other anabolics with Test (e.g., Test + Deca), then Dutasteride can actually be harmful.

Also, I believe I mentioned being aware of problems associated with Deca only.

Explainer from MPMD:
View: https://youtu.be/egi9I1KPtwk?si=fHeIl5pmY-W3R4eo

I'll let.my answer, which was a direct response to the order of his questions, stand on its own.

 

[sionnach]

So, from what I can tell, there's no guaranteed hair-safe cycle. But, from what I can tell, there are two established protocols that seem to in some sense be "hair safe-ish".

1. Testosterone only with dutasteride (or finasteride). Testostereone reduces to DHT, which is one of the main causes of baldness. The dutasteride blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Of course, dutasteride comes with some undesirable side effects (e.g., ED, depression, etc.). But, I am focused only on hair here.

2. Deca only. Obviously, there are a myriad of reasons to not do a Deca only cycle. However, from a hair-loss perspective, a Deca only cycle will not likely lead to hair loss, as Deca reduces to DHN, which is a weaker androgen than DHT.

Other than options 1 and 2 above, it seems we don't really know much. If you add other steroids to testosterone (e.g., deca, mast, primo), the dustasteride could actually result in MORE hair loss than if you did not use dusateride.

Do I have that right?

Are there any hair-protective ancillaries that I can use that are helpful no matter what my steroid stack uses?

Is your mom's dad bald?

 

[deeoeraclea]

Is your mom's dad bald?

He passed away a long time ago. But, from what I recall, he was at least partially bald in his 70s. In any case, while your mother's father's hairline and your hairline are correlated, the correlation isn't 1-to-1. And, as of right now, neither I (43 years old) nor my older brother (45 years old) are bald or balding. But, I did notice some hair thinning about 10 years ago, when I first ran TRT and did once weekly IM injections. Haven't noticed any additional thinning since change to 3x/week sub-q injections. So, I think the propensity to become bald is in my genetic makeup.

 

[deeoeraclea]

Topical minoxidil daily + once weekly micro needling

you can look it up, there are studies (I've posted some here)

Have you looked at RU-58841? Apparently, it blocks the androgen receptor at the scalp directly rather than blocking the 5-alpha-reduction of test (deca) to DHT (DNT), which in theory, should be effective if I am on test and deca together.

 

[Raiders789]

So, from what I can tell, there's no guaranteed hair-safe cycle. But, from what I can tell, there are two established protocols that seem to in some sense be "hair safe-ish".

1. Testosterone only with dutasteride (or finasteride). Testostereone reduces to DHT, which is one of the main causes of baldness. The dutasteride blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Of course, dutasteride comes with some undesirable side effects (e.g., ED, depression, etc.). But, I am focused only on hair here.

2. Deca only. Obviously, there are a myriad of reasons to not do a Deca only cycle. However, from a hair-loss perspective, a Deca only cycle will not likely lead to hair loss, as Deca reduces to DHN, which is a weaker androgen than DHT.

Other than options 1 and 2 above, it seems we don't really know much. If you add other steroids to testosterone (e.g., deca, mast, primo), the dustasteride could actually result in MORE hair loss than if you did not use dusateride.

Do I have that right?

Are there any hair-protective ancillaries that I can use that are helpful no matter what my steroid stack uses?

My last(first) blast I ended it running pretty high dose test + primo and I'm predisposed to MPB. When I first started test, I began losing a significant amount of hair and after a month or two, had noticeable thinning.

I ended up deciding to make my own topical solution consisting of 5% RU58841, 5% minoxidil, and 0.1% finasteride dissolved in ethanol/propylene glycol - Has worked wonders on my hair. Essentially no hair loss on high dose primo and my hair is much thicker. Like my hair has been growing the fastest it ever has.

I'd definitely recommend an approach like this over oral 5ar inhibitors, before this I took dutasterine and that killed my libido while on moderately high test. And if you buy the raw powders in bulk it ends up being much cheaper then 5ar pills or any other topical you'd buy online.

 

[deeoeraclea]

My last(first) blast I ended it running pretty high dose test + primo and I'm predisposed to MPB. When I first started test, I began losing a significant amount of hair and after a month or two, had noticeable thinning.

I ended up deciding to make my own topical solution consisting of 5% RU58841, 5% minoxidil, and 0.1% finasteride dissolved in ethanol/propylene glycol - Has worked wonders on my hair. Essentially no hair loss on high dose primo and my hair is much thicker. Like my hair has been growing the fastest it ever has.

I'd definitely recommend an approach like this over oral 5ar inhibitors, before this I took dutasterine and that killed my libido while on moderately high test. And if you buy the raw powders in bulk it ends up being much cheaper then 5ar pills or any other topical you'd buy online.

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It's about 2x the price to get the solution rather than the raw powder. So, not insanely more expensive. How exactly do you apply the topical solution you crated? Do you just apply it after showering? I assume I wouldn't want to apply it and then immediately wash it out. And, do you do any micro-needling as well?

 

[Raiders789]

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It's about 2x the price to get the solution rather than the raw powder. So, not insanely more expensive. How exactly do you apply the topical solution you crated? Do you just apply it after showering? I assume I wouldn't want to apply it and then immediately wash it out. And, do you do any micro-needling as well?

Depends on where you buy the raw powder from; I bought it in bulk from china.

I put the solution in a dropper bottle and I'd apply 1mL at night before bed, mostly applying to areas I want to avoid hair loss/grow thicker which is the front of my hairline and the top of the head.

I've read that RU loses potency when it comes in contact with water so I always avoid applying until my scalp is dry and if I'm gonna shower/wet my hair at night I'll put it in 15 minutes before doing that so it has time to penetrate.

I've never micro needled on my head because my hair loss didn't really get that bad before I started using this solution. But I've used micro needling to grow my beard in combo with daily minoxidil and that has worked wonders so I imagine combining micro needling with this solution would be extremely effective.

 

[Liter O' Test]

1. Testosterone only with dutasteride (or finasteride). Testostereone reduces to DHT, which is one of the main causes of baldness. The dutasteride blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Of course, dutasteride comes with some undesirable side effects (e.g., ED, depression, etc.). But, I am focused only on hair here.


i dont reccomend this, ive done it personally

 

[trenisbest]

before this I took dutasterine and that killed my libido while on moderately high test.

was your hair fine though? what were the dosages?

 

[Raiders789]

was your hair fine though? what were the dosages?

The most I was doing without the solution was 300test/300primo and that was nuking my hairline. Like every time I ran my hand through my hair would have a few strands come out; and during showers would see a fuck ton of strands come out. My hairline still looked fine but I could noice it getting thinner.

 

[BlackVeil]

Ive ran high doses, 2G test and roughly 2g tren in the past.

A Mast/Trest cycle was what nuked my hair and made it start thinning and shedding.

Dut and minoxidil have done worlds to bring it back.
Completely reversed the thinning and stopped the shedding.
2.5mg minoxidil daily and dut 3x a week.
If your in the US, these are so easy to get telemed, through RO and Dr B (don’t tell either that you are taking both) as you will have to get one from each, I get minoxidil from Ro and Dut from Dr B.

 

[Bigguy81]

Ive ran high doses, 2G test and roughly 2g tren in the past.

A Mast/Trest cycle was what nuked my hair and made it start thinning and shedding.

Dut and minoxidil have done worlds to bring it back.
Completely reversed the thinning and stopped the shedding.
2.5mg minoxidil daily and dut 3x a week.
If your in the US, these are so easy to get telemed, through RO and Dr B (don’t tell either that you are taking both) as you will have to get one from each, I get minoxidil from Ro and Dut from Dr B.

Bro what dosage of DUT are you running with the 2.5mg og minoxidil?

 

[wp_375]

My hair was thinning badly on just TRT doses of Test weekly. Always a bunch of hairs coming out in the shower.

Zero shedding at all on current Deca/Dbol no test cycle. Hoping to recover it some while there's basically zero DHT in my body LOL.

My 150mg Deca / 30mg Test per week cruise stops the shedding as well. I may eventually switch to Test plus duta as needed for TRT/Cruising and stick to Deca or Deca/Dbol for blasts.

Everyone says you can't use Duta/Fin with Deca but I've seen at least a couple people who did it and had zero hair loss or ill effects from the combo. Sometimes theory isn't quite reality.

Interestingly, a member here who did cycles of Primo and exogenous E2 found he got zero hair loss when he ran just Primo and E2 vs his hair getting raped by Primo when combined with Test.

 

[BlackVeil]

Bro what dosage of DUT are you running with the 2.5mg og minoxidil?

0.5mg.

 

[leepriest_doshapemontado]

My hair was thinning badly on just TRT doses of Test weekly. Always a bunch of hairs coming out in the shower.

Zero shedding at all on current Deca/Dbol no test cycle. Hoping to recover it some while there's basically zero DHT in my body LOL.

My 150mg Deca / 30mg Test per week cruise stops the shedding as well. I may eventually switch to Test plus duta as needed for TRT/Cruising and stick to Deca or Deca/Dbol for blasts.

Everyone says you can't use Duta/Fin with Deca but I've seen at least a couple people who did it and had zero hair loss or ill effects from the combo. Sometimes theory isn't quite reality.

Interestingly, a member here who did cycles of Primo and exogenous E2 found he got zero hair loss when he ran just Primo and E2 vs his hair getting raped by Primo when combined with Test.

i done dbol+npp follow for a few weeks of npp only, while taking finasteride without frying my hair.
Meanwhile i add Test P 150mg week, AND in the second week with Test i could already see more hair shedding , long and shorts hair, oil scalp ,and itchy scalp that just kept getting worse, so i decided to stop finasteride.

itchy start to decrease and stop, also way less shedding the next weeks.
i believe Fin+nand is a problem when you add test , because you add 2 more androgenic hormones , and you are preventing nandrolone to convert to DHN that probably will compete for binding to same receptors on scalp.

about the primo+E2 or primo+test
primo+E2 only =1 androgenic / primo + test =2androgenic or 3 if you consider test that may affect hair ( we dont know for sure)

E2 i think is hair protective
DHT is lot androgenic, Testosterone is converted in the scalp (and other androgenic tissues, such as skin and prostate) by the enzyme 5AR into DHT — and it is precisely DHT that is primarily responsible for androgenetic hair loss.

DHT derivatives do not use 5AR, so they cannot build up as much and quickly in the scalp, and will likely have more affinity for other androgenic receptors, but off course they are highly androgenic, each with a different affinity for hair follicle receptors, but not being converted already in scalp is key point i think.

with test+primo you really should use fin+ru58841. not mention you can tank E2 with primo, so Fin+Ru is even more a big deal, and maybe fin could even help with getting more E2

 

[Jesintn]

So, from what I can tell, there's no guaranteed hair-safe cycle. But, from what I can tell, there are two established protocols that seem to in some sense be "hair safe-ish".

1. Testosterone only with dutasteride (or finasteride). Testostereone reduces to DHT, which is one of the main causes of baldness. The dutasteride blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Of course, dutasteride comes with some undesirable side effects (e.g., ED, depression, etc.). But, I am focused only on hair here.

2. Deca only. Obviously, there are a myriad of reasons to not do a Deca only cycle. However, from a hair-loss perspective, a Deca only cycle will not likely lead to hair loss, as Deca reduces to DHN, which is a weaker androgen than DHT.

Other than options 1 and 2 above, it seems we don't really know much. If you add other steroids to testosterone (e.g., deca, mast, primo), the dustasteride could actually result in MORE hair loss than if you did not use dusateride.

Do I have that right?

Are there any hair-protective ancillaries that I can use that are helpful no matter what my steroid stack uses?

1. I hear dutasteride has less negative effects than finasteride. Finasteride reduces like 60-70 %, dose dependant of course, dutasteride 90 %. Not toally convincd dutasteride is much more superior. Yes, if reducing dht too low, it doesnt feel good. Sex drive suffers, but if its for hair only, can always expirement with pde5 inhibitors

2. Deca lowers dopamine and increases prolactin. Something like bromocriptin, caber, or l dopa 40 % or higher, with egcg to be more effective . Ive done an mri brain scan one month apart , used 99 % l dopa, prolactin went from 32 to 5

dbol doesnt seem to have androgenic sides, except if used too high it can convert to 1-testosterone, which as far as im aware, is the only androgenic thing in dbol than can cause hair miniturization

Ru58841 has some literature that its an anti androgen. I use it from time
to time esp if I decide to take an androgen one day like masteron, or madol

microneedling seems to work. Ive done it last few years and have kept a good ish head of hair. If I go down to 434 th of an inch there s a light spot on my crown, not bad

Are you saying dht derivatives like masteron, primo, anavar, superdrol, madol, protodrol really effect the scalp much, dose dependant of course, and hair miniturization will be minimal on them?