Irregular E2 levels on cycle

[Neegan02]

Currently running a cycle of 500 Test, 400 EQ, 200 Primo, and 20 Anavar.

Ran mid cycle bloods to find liver and kidney health in better condition prior to cycle, and elevated LDL at 130 that I will add ezetimibe and other otc options to combat.

What really has me confused is my E2 levels decreasing from 32 to 19 with my shbg at 11. I have yet to receive my Testosterone results, but I am convinced that this likely means I was running bunk Test E with everything else being legit. This would obviously only be confirmed once test results are in, but I would appreciate any input from you gents if you’ve experienced anything of the sort.

 

[Alert_Custard]

You have 600mg of two compounds that can reduce estrogen. Depending on how much you aromatise that result makes sense

 

[ganciodestro]

Currently running a cycle of 500 Test, 400 EQ, 200 Primo, and 20 Anavar.

Ran mid cycle bloods to find liver and kidney health in better condition prior to cycle, and elevated LDL at 130 that I will add ezetimibe and other otc options to combat.

What really has me confused is my E2 levels decreasing from 32 to 19 with my shbg at 11. I have yet to receive my Testosterone results, but I am convinced that this likely means I was running bunk Test E with everything else being legit. This would obviously only be confirmed once test results are in, but I would appreciate any input from you gents if you’ve experienced anything of the sort.

It was something new for me as well, since I had never checked my E2 levels back when I was using different compounds… but many people experience a drop in E2 just from using boldenone or primobolan with a 2:1 test-to-bolde/primo ratio.
Imagine, you’re using both primo and bolde… just wait for the results, but you’ll see your testosterone isn’t fake.

 

[Eddie.]

Wow, with this ratio my e2 would be 0. You certainly didn't research before mixing these compounds and with that ratio. Drop primo, keep EQ as is and add 100mg test, for starters. Retest in 4 weeks and if it's still low bump the test or lower by 100mg the EQ.

 

[ganciodestro]

Wow, with this ratio my e2 would be 0. You certainly didn't research before mixing these compounds and with that ratio. Drop primo, keep EQ as is and add 100mg test, for starters. Retest in 4 weeks and if it's still low bump the test or lower by 100mg the EQ.

Which between primo and eq is stronger about lower e2? Mg x mg

 

[vapor77]

Which between primo and eq is stronger about lower e2? Mg x mg

User dependent.

EQ hits my E2 a lot harder than Primo.

 

[ganciodestro]

User dependent.

EQ hits my E2 a lot harder than Primo.

Off-topic question: Is Masteron or Proviron less strong in suppressing E2 compared to Primo and EQ, or does the situation also depend on the individual?

 

[vapor77]

Off-topic question: Is Masteron or Proviron less strong in suppressing E2 compared to Primo and EQ, or does the situation also depend on the individual?

Mast and Proviron dont actually reduce E2 levels. They just help mask some of the symptoms.

For me, mast seems to be stronger in that regard and Mast actually provides a nice cosmetic benefit. Proviron can as well but would require fairly high doses.

 

[BamaCrazy]

User dependent.

EQ hits my E2 a lot harder than Primo.

Yep. But for me it’s the opposite. EQ gradually and slowly decreases my E2. Primo slaps E2 in the face and knocks it down within 3-4 weeks. I’ve had it as low as 10 on one of my first Primo cycles.

 

[Eddie.]

Which between primo and eq is stronger about lower e2? Mg x mg

To me it’s the same for both. 2/1 test to primo or eq and my e2 is around 40

 

[ganciodestro]

Do you guys think it makes sense, instead of bumping up the test dose, to pin some Gonasi to raise E2? Could that actually work?

 

[Neegan02]

Wow, with this ratio my e2 would be 0. You certainly didn't research before mixing these compounds and with that ratio. Drop primo, keep EQ as is and add 100mg test, for starters. Retest in 4 weeks and if it's still low bump the test or lower by 100mg the EQ.

Completely get where you’re coming from, but from my understanding going into it the non aromatizing compounds I was running like primo would only skew my ratio of androgens to E2 due to a lack of aromatization without directly causing my estrogen levels to decrease like an AI would. I thought this would be good in general because I have experienced classic high E2 issues in the past.

Overall from my understanding I was taking in super physiological amounts of T that should’ve converted to E2 increasing it substantially instead of the opposite given I wasn’t on an actual AI.

 

[Ricky93]

Both EQ and Primo are known for their AI metabolites. I would drop the EQ just because of the increased RBC but you may not be like me.

Which between primo and eq is stronger about lower e2? Mg x mg

EQ is generally stronger for most. Some guys can't even use it as an AI without crashing estrogen

Do you guys think it makes sense, instead of bumping up the test dose, to pin some Gonasi to raise E2? Could that actually work?

A quick fix could be dbol. U'll probably feel kinda euphoric if ur E2 is actually low.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Do you guys think it makes sense, instead of bumping up the test dose, to pin some Gonasi to raise E2? Could that actually work?

Yes. It’ll work. But it will take some time to dial in. I started with 250iu 3x a week but that didn’t move my E2 at all. Increased that to 500iu 3x a week and my E2 started increasing.

 

[ganciodestro]

A quick fix could be dbol. U'll probably feel kinda euphoric if ur E2 is actually low.

Surely dbol would help, but it’s not a solution you can keep for a long time it would mean adding another drug, worsening liver health, and raising hematocrit.

Low E2 levels shouldn’t make you feel like crap rather than euphoric? (I mean nervousness, poor sleep, low libido, etc.)

 

[ganciodestro]

Yes. It’ll work. But it will take some time to dial in. I started with 250iu 3x a week but that didn’t move my E2 at all. Increased that to 500iu 3x a week and my E2 started increasing.

I think it really depends from person to person; some say that even with a minimal dose of Gonasi they start to notice signs of Gyno