How did the myth start that Primobolan was an AI?

[eryximachus]

Didn't keep your word.

No contribution.

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I'm not your bitch. When someone is generous, you don't kick them in the chin.

I'm willing to mend bridges, but it's a two way street.

 

[hexagonal]

It was about 2014 that Primo became commonly available. I've probably run 15 cycles of it since that time with 200mg of testosterone. Never found it affected estrogen levels significantly.

Schering never pursued a breast cancer indication - and aromatase inhibitors weren't really available until around 1990. There was a market demand. Even Masteron itself is not particularly strong at reducing estrogen and the breast cancer doses for women was actually rather high - 400mg or so.

It's odd to me, especially as this info is available on all the chatbot services to some degree. One would think this age of AI would reduce bioscience, but it doesn't appear that is the case.

One reads other forums, and complete loons are whining about how 100mg of primo "crashes" their estrogen. Very strange to me.

Primobolan has a 100% real and measurable impact on my estrogen levels. I am a high aromatizer and require an AI when not using primo and it is highly reflected on my bloodwork. I decided primo at low doses just as an AI for TRT wasn't a reasonable use case for it, and my E2 returned to high enough levels that I started using aromasin.

The bloodwork shows clear and repeatable impact.

 

[Bandern]

What the fuck does that even mean?

You’re doing just great

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Have you considered the possibility that your social value doesn’t exceed 2 sentences

Agreed. No matter how much I write the guy cant comprehend or combine information.

He doesn't even have blood work of his own and gets it from a TRT clinic. He can't post anything but he wants to talk about "feels"

I may be a stocker at the grocery store but atleast I can afford my own fucking blood work

 

[readalot]

you don't kick them in the chin.

I surely didn't kick you in the chin. You must not realize the history between Spiff and I. It's not always about you.

Mend bridges? I didn't know we had a problem.

Have a nice evening.

 

[Type-IIx]

So Winstrol and Anavar also inhibit aromatase?

Well I genuinely appreciate your contribution.

This seems odd to me. I've used shitloads of all these drugs mentioned over the past 20 years. Never have I experienced crashed estrogen.

Is it possible that the effects of these DHT derivatives are simply not that strong versus modern aromatase inhibitors? I have been unable to find any measurements of estrogen reduction of any of them, including drostanolone.

Yes this is why

There have been many people on this thread who have claimed drostanolone in fact does not affect estrogen levels in any way.

In your opinion, is it possible that there is substantial variance in response to these different DHT derived drugs?

Yes that’s what the article posted earlier I wrote describes bro

 

[Bandern]

Agreed. No matter how much I write the guy cant comprehend or combine information.

He doesn't even have blood work of his own and gets it from a TRT clinic. He can't post anything but he wants to talk about "feels"

I may be a stocker at the grocery store but atleast I can afford my own fucking blood work

It’s interesting to see a 10 year member acting like a child this way. Not a person worth attempting serious discourse with. Best to not overfeed the lolcow!

 

[dick_starbuck]

@Type-IIx has spoken. I dont know what else there is to say at this point.

 

[hexagonal]

I'm not your bitch. When someone is generous, you don't kick them in the chin.

I'm willing to mend bridges, but it's a two way street.

Frankly, reading through the past few pages of this thread, I'm not sure it's worth anyone's time trying to mend bridges with you.

You've also shown an inability to do any sort of basic research on the state of vendors, etc., over the past few years - I remember seeing you enter into some vendor threads and being highly confused and suspicious of the pricing when you could spend a few minutes reading through things to understand the current lay of the land rather than requiring others do your basic legwork for you. You said this was OK because you were here for a long time before and just came back recently. We wouldn't reward that sort of behavior from a brand new member, so why would someone who knows how this forum is supposed to work get a pass on that sort of bad behavior?

In this thread, you've plunged your head into the sand and ignored the fact that you have dozens of people telling you the measurable impact on their bloodwork, decided it is all some sort of mass delusion, and mixed in COVID related politics for good measure. Instead of sitting back and going "Man, people are basically universally telling me that this happens, maybe I should dig a bit deeper before insulting all of them," you just decided that no, it's not you, it's literally everyone else.

You've relied on AI to formulate anything resembling an argument here, rather than your own critical thinking or research abilities.

Your post history since you have returned to the forum doesn't give me any reason to believe you're worth taking seriously in any manner.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

It’s interesting to see a 10 year member acting like a child this way. Not a person worth attempting serious discourse with. Best to not overfeed the lolcow!

Frankly, reading through the past few pages of this thread, I'm not sure it's worth anyone's time trying to mend bridges with you.

You've also shown an inability to do any sort of basic research on the state of vendors, etc., over the past few years - I remember seeing you enter into some vendor threads and being highly confused and suspicious of the pricing when you could spend a few minutes reading through things to understand the current lay of the land rather than requiring others do your basic legwork for you. You said this was OK because you were here for a long time before and just came back recently. We wouldn't reward that sort of behavior from a brand new member, so why would someone who knows how this forum is supposed to work get a pass on that sort of bad behavior?

In this thread, you've plunged your head into the sand and ignored the fact that you have dozens of people telling you the measurable impact on their bloodwork, decided it is all some sort of mass delusion, and mixed in COVID related politics for good measure. Instead of sitting back and going "Man, people are basically universally telling me that this happens, maybe I should dig a bit deeper before insulting all of them," you just decided that no, it's not you, it's literally everyone else.

You've relied on AI to formulate anything resembling an argument here, rather than your own critical thinking or research abilities.

Your post history since you have returned to the forum doesn't give me any reason to believe you're worth taking seriously in any manner.

Stop talking sensibly, that's not allowed here

 

[BigDadd7]

Not at all.

If you have ever dealt with someone with schizophrenia, they may very well believe the sky is green and the grass is blue. This alone wouldn't be so bad - but they will resist any attempt to convince them that this is an error. They will attack the person attempting to reason with them in the same way I have been attacked here.

Are you intimating you have schizophrenia?

 

[ToesOverKnees]

Maybe we should do an evidence based sticky thread, getting bloods on cycle before and after adding primo. Would be cool to have all the data in one place.

 

[Eddie.]

Maybe we should do an evidence based sticky thread, getting bloods on cycle before and after adding primo. Would be cool to have all the data in one place.

But, why? There's no need to prove anything to anyone. Those who do bloodwork already know, all these last years thousands of samples have been sent to Jano and 99% verify they're legit primo with no AI added inside (that's just stupid to even think of it). By continuing in this thread we just feed the troll, or mentally deranged person (hope for the first).

 

[Cyp180]

How did the myth start, that it is a myth at all ?

Blood results are the proof and when you feel bad

 

[Tdeck81]

crack and hookers

Idk what’s happening here but you had me at crack and hookers

 

[malomkarom]

Not at all.

If you have ever dealt with someone with schizophrenia, they may very well believe the sky is green and the grass is blue. This alone wouldn't be so bad - but they will resist any attempt to convince them that this is an error. They will attack the person attempting to reason with them in the same way I have been attacked here.

"Oh I'm not a schizo, everyone else on the forum's a schizo!"

 

[malomkarom]

Well I genuinely appreciate your contribution.

This seems odd to me. I've used shitloads of all these drugs mentioned over the past 20 years. Never have I experienced crashed estrogen.

Is it possible that the effects of these DHT derivatives are simply not that strong versus modern aromatase inhibitors? I have been unable to find any measurements of estrogen reduction of any of them, including drostanolone.

There have been many people on this thread who have claimed drostanolone in fact does not affect estrogen levels in any way.

In your opinion, is it possible that there is substantial variance in response to these different DHT derived drugs?

OR YOU KNOW YOU MAY JUST BE 1 FUCKING HUMAN AND NOT THE ENTIRE FUCKING RACE

 

[Optimizaa28]

I’ve seen some report that their E2 levels in bloodwork drops significantly after introducing primobolan, with before and after bloodwork to compare.

 

[eryximachus]

Maybe we should do an evidence based sticky thread, getting bloods on cycle before and after adding primo. Would be cool to have all the data in one place.

I do plan on doing this.

Since we now have a claim that all DHT derived androgens reduce estrogen, I see no reason why this can't be done with anavar or winstrol either (which are available).

 

[malomkarom]

I do plan on doing this.

Since we now have a claim that all DHT derived androgens reduce estrogen, I see no reason why this can't be done with anavar or winstrol either (which are available).

The reason to not do it with winny or var is because these haven't shown potent ai effect in anyone basically, only marginal changes that can be swept under the rug in practice.

Primo is used as an anabolic AI by 90%+ of users pinning it.

All DHt derivatives have some affinity for aromatase and none of them metabolise into estrogen, so all would technically lower E2 just not to the degree primo does.

I have a feeling you are gonna do a thread with 25~ winny per day to answer whether primo is an ai or not. It's a straight up idiotic idea with literally different compounds than the question is about, but that's about the most I expect from you and I feel I'm not alone with that.