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It's clearly a psychogenic illness.report 1
Or you know.... people might have just actually looked at their own, and others' bloodwork and seen it with their own fucking eyes.... I've been saying this a lot, but this is fucking hysterical!
I wasn't aware this started up. I'll happily pay.Obviously?
You "pledged" $500? Cool. Others already put in money.
Are you running this? Are you going to spend my money on crack?Obviously?
You "pledged" $500? Cool. Others already put in money.
First project underway. Check it out. Very gracious/honorable of you. Thank you!!I wasn't aware this started up. I'll happily pay.
Read the thread. Vet member holds the BTC wallet (@Sampei). I trust him with my money.Are you running this? Are you going to spend my money on crack?
I've already sent one on this forum.I've already pledged $500.
Good find. Obviously I didn't search any forum but this one.
He was the fuzzball that started the shit talking.Read the thread. Vet member holds the BTC wallet (@Sampei). I trust him with my money.
Members have to agree/approve on a project by quorum.
Let's keep the funds going to group fund if you don't mind. Community cause.I've already sent one on this forum.
So do I send a BTC wallet or what?
He was the fuzzball that started the shit talking.
Good man. That is all we have...our word and our health.But I keep my word.
Take your time. Have a good one and thanks again! No rush.I cannot do this instantly. Coinbase makes me wait. I have a transaction pending.
Was still on page 10 when answering. Good idea.Let's keep the funds going to group fund if you don't mind. Community cause.
This guy chemsAtamestane is not a metabolite of methenolone in human metabolism due to differences in their chemical structures, metabolic pathways, and the specific enzymatic processes involved in their breakdown. Below is a detailed explanation:
1. Chemical Structure Differences
• Atamestane: Atamestane (1-methylandrosta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione) has the molecular formula C20H26O2 and a molar weight of 298.4 g/mol. It is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor with a characteristic 1-methyl group and a 3,17-dione structure, featuring two ketone groups at positions 3 and 17, and double bonds at positions 1 and 4 in the steroid A-ring.
• Methenolone: Methenolone exists as Methenolone Acetate (C22H32O3, 344.49 g/mol) or Methenolone Enanthate (C27H42O3, 414.62 g/mol). It is a 17β-hydroxy-1-methyl-5α-androst-1-en-3-one, meaning it has a hydroxyl group at position 17 (in the acetate or enanthate ester form) and a single double bond at position 1, with a 3-keto group. The key structural differences include:
• Methenolone has a 17β-hydroxyl group (or esterified hydroxyl), whereas atamestane has a 17-keto group.
• Atamestane has an additional double bond at position 4 (making it a 1,4-diene), which methenolone lacks.
• The ester groups in methenolone (acetate or enanthate) are cleaved during metabolism, but the resulting core structure (methenolone base) is still distinct from atamestane.
These structural differences mean that transforming methenolone into atamestane would require specific enzymatic modifications (e.g., oxidation of the 17β-hydroxyl to a ketone and introduction of a double bond at position 4) that are not typically part of human metabolic pathways for anabolic steroids like methenolone.
2. Human Metabolic Pathways
• Methenolone Metabolism: In humans, methenolone (as acetate or enanthate) undergoes metabolism primarily through:
• Ester hydrolysis: The acetate or enanthate ester is cleaved by esterases, yielding the parent compound, methenolone (17β-hydroxy-1-methyl-5α-androst-1-en-3-one).
• Phase I metabolism: This involves reduction, oxidation, or hydroxylation, primarily at the 3-keto or 17β-hydroxy groups, and reduction of the 1,2-double bond. Common metabolites include 3α-hydroxy-1-methylen-5α-androstan-17-one and other hydroxylated derivatives, as identified in urinary excretion studies.
• Phase II metabolism: Conjugation with glucuronides or sulfates for excretion.
• The primary metabolites of methenolone retain the 1-methyl and 5α-reduced structure, with modifications mainly at the 3- or 17-positions. None of these transformations produce a 1,4-diene-3,17-dione structure like atamestane.
• Atamestane: Atamestane is a synthetic compound not naturally produced in the body or derived from other steroids in human metabolism. Its metabolism involves:
• Hydroxylation of the 1-methyl group.
• 5β-reduction and C-6 hydroxylation.
• Action of 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, which can reduce the 17-keto group to a hydroxyl group in some metabolites. These pathways are distinct from those of methenolone, and there is no evidence that methenolone’s metabolic transformations in humans (e.g., via cytochrome P450 enzymes or steroid dehydrogenases) yield atamestane’s specific structure.
3. Fungal Biotransformation vs. Human Metabolism
• While atamestane has been identified as a metabolite (metabolite 12) of methenolone acetate in biotransformation studies using the fungus Fusarium lini, this is not relevant to human metabolism. Fungal biotransformation involves unique microbial enzymes that perform specific reactions, such as:
• Dehydrogenation to introduce a double bond at position 4.
• Oxidative cleavage of the acetate ester and oxidation of the 17β-hydroxyl to a 17-keto group
• These enzymatic capabilities are not present in human liver or other tissues. Human steroid metabolism primarily involves cytochrome P450 enzymes, reductases, and hydroxylases that do not catalyze the precise combination of reactions needed to convert methenolone’s 17β-hydroxy-1-methyl-5α-androst-1-en-3-one structure into atamestane’s 1-methylandrosta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione structure.
4. Enzymatic Feasibility
• To convert methenolone to atamestane in humans, the following would be required:
• Oxidation of the 17β-hydroxyl to a 17-keto group: This is possible via 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, but it is not a dominant pathway for methenolone, which is more likely to undergo conjugation or reduction.
• Introduction of a double bond at position 4: This requires a specific dehydrogenase or desaturase enzyme, which is not typically involved in human metabolism of 5α-reduced steroids like methenolone. The 1,4-diene structure is characteristic of certain synthetic steroids (e.g., boldenone derivatives) but not a natural metabolite of methenolone.
• Retention of the 1-methyl group and 3-keto group: While these are preserved, the additional double bond and 17-keto formation are not consistent with methenolone’s known metabolic fate.
• Human enzymes involved in steroid metabolism (e.g., 3α/3β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenases, 5α/5β-reductases, or cytochrome P450 enzymes) do not facilitate this specific transformation. In contrast, Fusarium lini possesses unique microbial enzymes capable of these reactions, which explains why atamestane can be produced in fungal biotransformation but not in humans.
5. Literature and Evidence
• Studies on methenolone metabolism in humans, such as those using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS) to detect urinary metabolites, identify compounds like 3α-hydroxy-1-methylen-5α-androstan-17-one and other hydroxylated or conjugated derivatives, but not atamestane.
• Atamestane is described as a synthetic compound designed as an aromatase inhibitor, not a naturally occurring metabolite of other steroids in human physiology.
• The fungal biotransformation study with Fusarium lini explicitly notes atamestane as a product of microbial metabolism, not human metabolism, reinforcing that this transformation is specific to the fungal enzymatic system.
Conclusion
Atamestane cannot be a metabolite of methenolone in human metabolism because the structural transformations required (17β-hydroxyl oxidation to a ketone and introduction of a 4,5-double bond) are not catalyzed by human enzymes involved in methenolone metabolism. The production of atamestane from methenolone acetate in Fusarium lini is due to unique microbial enzymes absent in humans. Thus, in the context of human pharmacokinetics, atamestane is not a metabolite of methenolone or its esters.
Yep, but we answer more exotic questions with the fund. Helps advance our understanding on more specialized topics.Was still on page 10 when answering. Good idea.
That's like 3-4 Janoshik tests right? That's significant!
I stopped reading that thread cause I'm a lazy bitch, but me having some cash in it might make it so I don't remain so incredibly retarded.Yep, but we answer more exotic questions with the fund. Helps advance our understanding on more specialized topics.
No, he asked chatGPT whether Atamestane is a metabolite of methenolone in humans without asking it to actually spend a second figuring out and looking at downstream actions.This guy chems
Look, I'm all for calling out influencers for spreading misinformation but let's not make shit up. If this is your perception then fine but I have never heard him say he can "feel" microdoses. He tends to be pretty objective when testing his compounds.
Flat out untrue. He said that about 50+ mg/day, not 10. Here's the video. And FWIW, he said "probably fake" not "is fake"
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ug07KD6sNA
Have you tried the protocol? The actual claim he makes is "25 mg/wk is more than enough to get glucocorticoid receptor inhibition and anabolic to androgenic disassociation where you get all of the anabolic benefits but none of the androgenic virilizing negative effects on your sexual organs (prostate for example). So start low, build your way up. If you're not happy with 25 mg/wk you can always take more."
I don't see anything wrong or dubious about that statement. Sounds like he's advocating for *drum roll* harm reduction.
Now before you go dismissing me as a Vig Steve sycophant, I don't listen to him much anymore. His voice and arrogance annoy me and the way everything sounds like a question (it's the Dutch way of speaking I guess?) is damn near intolerable after a while.
There is nothing about this in Pubmed. The molar weight is also too close to primobolan (without an ester). The molecule doesn't seem to have any relationship to DHT. The length Meso-RX piece that was referenced earlier has an entirely different theory about the purported effects of Primbolan.I stopped reading that thread cause I'm a lazy bitch, but me having some cash in it might make it so I don't remain so incredibly retarded.
No, he asked chatGPT whether Atamestane is a metabolite of methenolone in humans without asking it to actually spend a second figuring out and looking at downstream actions.
Researchers have figured it out in the 70s already.
Atamastane is indeed a metabolite of primo in humans. Just had to ask chat gpt to take a second before answering. There's enough proof though not exactly in massive amounts.
I'm mainly referring to remarks he makes in his 2+ hours long livestreams not his polished videos.
bUT eQ aROMaTiZEs At 50% thE RAtE oF teStOstEroNE ACordINg tO A StUDy aND CaUSES BooBs?!Why does it matter, at all. No one talked about EQ and its ability to lower estrogen either. But it does. My most recent bloodwork had my e2 at 7. SEVEN from running 1:1 test/eq.
What is your point? Are you saying it ISNT doing these things? We are making it up? The vials have adex in them instead of primo?
