Dutch Labs
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Anyone who purchased Test D 400, please throw it in the bin. The raws were bad for sure.
Contact me for a refund, or I can replace it with Sust 400.
Contact me for a refund, or I can replace it with Sust 400.
MESO-Rx
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I hate quad pain and I can't limp at work like an idiot so I only inject peptides and carnitine/gluta in the quad.good, maybe he will be one without issues.
im too big of a pussy to try pinning deltworst spot to have pip in
Shoulder on the other hands I can deal with PIP, nothing better than not being able to steer the wheel of my car because of a shoulder PIP xD
The different between a shit source and a good source it's right here.
Well done!
If I didn't have my own shit I would buy from you 100%
OilCarrier
Member
My ventroglute is still not sore from the TNE, but the quad still is. It's a bit too much for comfort and it does not seem to go away quickly. Not sure if diluting is the solution here. What do you think @Sampei ?
Diluting is the only thing you can do to try to make it bearable.
So @Dutch Labs I wanna address something that in my opinion is a problem.
I have gave quite a lot of shit to @OEP LABS for using silicone stoppers on his products. I would be a very incoherent user if I wasn't fair and square with this, and many things I'm but not one that shy away from being strict but fair.
You use silicone stoppers too and especially with a high BB content like the test base it is indeed a thing of big concern.
Not only with that but with any other substances that contain BB. I have explained it intensively in OEP Labs thread, I'm not gonna clutter this thread too, you can go and have a look there.
I hope you will make the right decision and as OEP did, swap to a PTFE coatedbhutul stopper in the future. I don't expect to change the stopper of your current batch but as you are out of raws for most substances, when the dry end the community will expect you to make the switch for the new brew.
Best of luck and I'll report back about the PIP of the new batch of TNE.
Friend report for now no pip but better wait 24hrs as everyone says it's a one day after PIP.
I have gave quite a lot of shit to @OEP LABS for using silicone stoppers on his products. I would be a very incoherent user if I wasn't fair and square with this, and many things I'm but not one that shy away from being strict but fair.
You use silicone stoppers too and especially with a high BB content like the test base it is indeed a thing of big concern.
Not only with that but with any other substances that contain BB. I have explained it intensively in OEP Labs thread, I'm not gonna clutter this thread too, you can go and have a look there.
I hope you will make the right decision and as OEP did, swap to a PTFE coatedbhutul stopper in the future. I don't expect to change the stopper of your current batch but as you are out of raws for most substances, when the dry end the community will expect you to make the switch for the new brew.
Best of luck and I'll report back about the PIP of the new batch of TNE.
Friend report for now no pip but better wait 24hrs as everyone says it's a one day after PIP.
Dutch Labs
Subscriber
Yes, this has been on my mind in relation to TNE.
I have read your posts on the issue. For next batches we will use Butyl stoppers without PTFE barrier which I have now. PTFE coated ones aren't available yet (I am after this).
Butyl PTFE (or ETFE) coated is definitely the way to go to rule out any compatibility issues. Butyl without this barrier is not perfect either.
In the meantime, as recommended on the product label, make sure to store the vial upright.
Dutch Labs
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OilCarrier
Member
Agreed, good to see change is already on the horizon. It seems John is trying to continue to improve and I really like how he is handling this in a positive manner. It's constructive criticism after all. Also proper behaviour offering a refund on his own initiative. This source has major potential, for anyone reading this.
The TNE pip is still medium intensity (but high if pushing the sore spot) after two days for me in the quad. Not fun. I just noticed the skin is becoming a bit red around where I pinned and there is also localized warmth. Not sure if this is reason to worry or not.
Ventroglute still no pip. I will dilute the TNE to 50 mg/ml and refilter before pinning again, cause I can't have weekly pip like this. But I will only be able to do so around two weeks from now.
@Dutch Labs do you have an idea already what could have caused this change in TNE batch behaviour? Is it purely the raws? Or are you thinking of something else in the brewing process?
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Dogtown33
New Member
No one is gonna survive on TNE though.. love to know if test E/C will be in stock again. Isocaproate ester will do if its as soluble as E/C
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Did you encounter the same problem with test d at 250 mg? Or was different batch of raws?
Den84
Member
I stopped injecting my quadriceps a long time ago. It's the most risky muscle. I've had the most devastating PIPs in my quads. Furthermore, if you get a PIP in your glute or shoulder, you can still do everything you normally do, including going to work. If you get a PIP in your quads, you can't do anything because you can't walk.
I currently only inject in the glutes, shoulders, lats and triceps
BabaJagga
Member
i have different experience.
pip in glute = cant walk, cant sit, cant walk the stairs
pip in delt = every movement with arm hurts. cant do anything without pain
pip in quad = its there but managable during walking, doesnt bother me when i need to sit, stand up etc
OilCarrier
Member
What do you guys make of the skin redness and local warmth (inflammation happening) at the TNE injection site? Just inflammation or something elsr? Only appearing at the quad. No swelling (yet?)
I'll have him send me a vial or two and I'll try it out myself. Btw great packaging, he said it was really pretty and liked the treatThank you and thanks for your interactions.
You should try my TNE yourself as well
BabaJagga
Member
Great man, you could not have answered it better. Like srsly, I'm impressed. You remember me of another great source that sadly is not with us anymore, similar great attitude and always ready to improve.
I wish you great success when the time improves.
Photon
Member
It's inflammation unless you fucked up your injection aseptic technique and didn't swab and sterilize the skin and gave you a staph infection.
The gear is clean in my honest opinion so it's your body badly reacting to it or it's something with the injection.
Keep an eye on it, if you get fever or it gets swollen badly go to the ER.
If it's just red and warmth it's probably just massive inflammation and well maybe TNE or this batch of TNE isn't for you.
Photon
Member
TNE/TRBE increases my hsCRP, even without PIP.
For those on it..please test and share the values
For those on it..please test and share the values
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