GH works better with higher estrogen?

I’ve been arguing here way to long that my wife asking wtf im doing, so how can someone have a life outside of the forum being as active all day every day.
I have a life outside this forum, and I am here way way too much. I can empathize with what you are going through with your sig other. This place can be addictive. Way too addictive. It is unhealthy in my case.
 
Can you share please ? I would be surprised to see an IFBB off season protocol with high dose of primo and/or boldebone with "hefty dose of AI on top". Be it with 1g of test or 5g of test.

Off season Protocol of john jewett leaked and it was :

1g9 test
1g7 mast
170 TA
10 Iu HGH

Dont remember if there was any slin or reta.
They don't have to "leak". Nathan Styles is open about his protocol:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfJV1gf9Ngc

He has a handful of videos on his cycle for that time being. I remember the last one I saw he said he was going to switch primobolan with boldenone because of his HDL being too low for too long.

I have seen Sas Heirati outline his gear use in Overcome Cast youtube channel, actually, quite a lot of guys on Overcome Cast have said their full cycle.

I haven't saved all links to the videos but yes some blew my mind outlining some pro cycle template with boldenone and AI. I would have negative estrogen.

Very few seem to be on the side of 5g cycles.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VthLQ6IMA9Q


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKyaOyriPIA

This is what I scooped up in a minute of seen videos on YouTube search. There are tons more out there. There are many schools of thought. The estrogen at very high levels is an unique one.
 
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E2 raises endogenous GH but suppresses IGF conversion in the liver. The net effect can be increased or decreased IGF.

On rHGH, endogenous GH is suppressed anyway. So all estrogen does is suppress IGF production.

TLDR lower estrogen by blocking aromatase via AI results in higher IGF conversion.
Ok so question. Im prone to high e2 especially increasing my test on a blast. When my e2 gets high I always have a ai on hand and take 1mg daily. I just ordered some GH and I'm going to start at 2ius then go up to 4 or 5ius. Will taking the ai decrease the GH or igf?
 
Ok so question. Im prone to high e2 especially increasing my test on a blast. When my e2 gets high I always have a ai on hand and take 1mg daily. I just ordered some GH and I'm going to start at 2ius then go up to 4 or 5ius. Will taking the ai decrease the GH or igf?

The ai will decrease your igf.

Anyone saying something else is full of shit.

You are better of using enough test to where you don’t get any e2 side effects and if you need more anabolics use masteron.

Lets say you run 350 test 4iu gh with 50 e2 and you add ai and now have 25 e2 your igf will 100% decrease.
 
The ai will decrease your igf.

Anyone saying something else is full of shit.

You are better of using enough test to where you don’t get any e2 side effects and if you need more anabolics use masteron.

Lets say you run 350 test 4iu gh with 50 e2 and you add ai and now have 25 e2 your igf will 100% decrease.
Holy shit. So it may be best just to except the fact of getting high e2 while running GH
 
Im Out GIF
 
Holy shit. So it may be best just to except the fact of getting high e2 while running GH
No thats not the case.

If you want to have the maximum igf out of your gh then yes. Lets say you don’t want to have higher e2 or can’t run higher e2 you just have take more gh to get the same igf.

Anyone who doubt this, just try it and do bloodwork.
 
No thats not the case.

If you want to have the maximum igf out of your gh then yes. Lets say you don’t want to have higher e2 or can’t run higher e2 you just have take more gh to get the same igf.

Anyone who doubt this, just try it and do bloodwork.
Thanks brother. Off season I really don't mind any water retention or a little weight gain
 
I'll take all the YT videos and raise you two classic summaries...



Bro up your e2, and just bloodwork.
Bloodworks dont lie (if you're asking for the relevants markers)

Not sure... This igf1 number is big as fuck though, and dear lord i love big numbers with lots of 0
 
From my reading I keep seeing over and over "there is limited information" surrounding certain aspects bodybuilding in women. Whereas for men the information is abundant, but due to hormanal differences many studies aren't comparable.

While, I do recall a passage where in a nutshell low e2 in women equated to being counterproductive as far as building muscle tissues were concerned. These sort of unknowns leave the door open for people to step in with bold claims to go against the common ideas and draw attention to themselves while imo not necessarily being 100% accurate.
 
The truth is in the bloodwork, still people thats not done the bloodwork says ”i don’t know” or ”you are wrong” or ”i don’t believe that”

Yes people are fucking dumb.

Just watch video i uploaded by John Jewett IFBB pro, this is what he do! this is his life! he have probably seen 1000’s bloodwork from clients and him self + proof in video but hey? The tiktok generation can’t watch a video more than 30 seconds without banging the wall with their head.

Absolutely hilaroius how do you people even function in life? Very feminine behaviour just saying…
 
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