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[xrayphoton13]

I dont think thats coming back.
Their Test C is now 600$/100g.
Deca is $1000/100g.

Yeah it's outrageous but I think we are getting closer to things turning around. If wts just sourced tren h and were hearing whispers of SSA getting more oils I think these are positive signs. Like we keep hearing "few more months dear"

 

[Photon]

Yeah it's outrageous but I think we are getting closer to things turning around. If wts just sourced tren h and were hearing whispers of SSA getting more oils I think these are positive signs. Like we keep hearing "few more months dear"

There's def still raws being produced, just smaller amounts. What's interesting is the large number of resellers who started popping up this year for finished products.

 

[halan1]

There's def still raws being produced, just smaller amounts. What's interesting is the large number of resellers who started popping up this year for finished products.

finished low quality oils..........

 

[Photon]

finished low quality oils..........

Yea..using raws that came from somewhere..

 

[Sampei]

The issue with the raws now it's not only the availability but the quality of it.

I'm ok paying double if the raw is of good quality but as we have seen a lot, many sources got shit raws that even tested well, like dutch lab with the test D that it's giving PIP to ppl even so it tested 96%.

So it's a triple gamble, you don't know if you get it, when you get it you don't know the quality and the price is super high and if the quality is shit you ain't getting a reship cuz there are none left.

To be honest unless one is a big source right now it's better to just keep your money in your wallet and wait more.

Because the risk is not worth the possible positive outcome. All odds are stacked against us

 

[pheno609]

The issue with the raws now it's not only the availability but the quality of it.

I'm ok paying double if the raw is of good quality but as we have seen a lot, many sources got shit raws that even tested well, like dutch lab with the test D that it's giving PIP to ppl even so it tested 96%.

So it's a triple gamble, you don't know if you get it, when you get it you don't know the quality and the price is super high and if the quality is shit you ain't getting a reship cuz there are none left.

To be honest unless one is a big source right now it's better to just keep your money in your wallet and wait more.

Because the risk is not worth the possible positive outcome. All odds are stacked against us

Completely agree, it is a huge risk all the way around. The issue right now with some people (in the US) is that people fear that it will be much harder to get anything into the country because trump is trying to crack down on illicit goods from china. Most raws come from China and domestic prices are expected to increase dramatically. I personally want to be optimistic because Chinese suppliers seem to be able to still get raws. But in the US, i think it will get worse before it gets better

 

[Photon]

The issue with the raws now it's not only the availability but the quality of it.

I'm ok paying double if the raw is of good quality but as we have seen a lot, many sources got shit raws that even tested well, like dutch lab with the test D that it's giving PIP to ppl even so it tested 96%.

So it's a triple gamble, you don't know if you get it, when you get it you don't know the quality and the price is super high and if the quality is shit you ain't getting a reship cuz there are none left.

To be honest unless one is a big source right now it's better to just keep your money in your wallet and wait more.

Because the risk is not worth the possible positive outcome. All odds are stacked against us

Completely agree, it is a huge risk all the way around. The issue right now with some people (in the US) is that people fear that it will be much harder to get anything into the country because trump is trying to crack down on illicit goods from china. Most raws come from China and domestic prices are expected to increase dramatically. I personally want to be optimistic because Chinese suppliers seem to be able to still get raws. But in the US, i think it will get worse before it gets better

One way or another, those raws are going to get used up, made into finished products and sold to customers. At least if you get it from a vendor and its crap, you can hopefully get it refunded/replaced..(or not)..but at the very least you're not out a huge chunk of change.

The fact that Dutch is willing to refund is impressive.
Most of the other vendors will probably tell you to dilute it.

 

[MrTexas2]

I dont think thats coming back.
Their Test C is now 600$/100g.
Deca is $1000/100g.

That is just nuts.

 

[Photon]

That is just nuts.

At least you know it's Q quality.
Anything you buy from any other vendor now is of dubious quality.
Purity alone is not sufficient.

Test D that pips when it's pipless.
Test C that yellow instead of clear.

Shipping time too..
If it takes 6 weeks to come from China, seized, there is no stock to reship.

 

[Ghoul]

That is just nuts.

100g Test C was $45 just before Christmas, $350kg.... lol.

It'll all go back to normal any day now....

 

[halan1]

100g Test C was $45 just before Christmas, $350kg.... lol.

It'll all go back to normal any day now....

I don’t think so. Forget about 2024 prices — we will never see those prices again.


The market has changed. If QSC comes back and magically has raws with no shipping issues, do you really think he’s going to sell raws 4 or 5 times cheaper than the other Chinese suppliers?


Personally, if brewing Test.C costs me 4 or 5€, plus equipment, materials, and my time, I’d rather buy my Test.C (for me and my friends) from:

• Deus → 11€
• Astera → 9€
• Or even Hilma → 15€

Why?

• EU domestic
• 8–15 days delivery
• Reship options, etc.

Not Driada — they have shipping issues and a very bad communication problem with their wholesale customers.

 

[explodingHeart]

100g Test C was $45 just before Christmas, $350kg.... lol.

It'll all go back to normal any day now....

Does this imply the price of chinese or UG domestic test in general (and I assume all from the same raw source) is about to go exponential?

 

[Sampei]

I don’t think so. Forget about 2024 prices — we will never see those prices again.


The market has changed. If QSC comes back and magically has raws with no shipping issues, do you really think he’s going to sell raws 4 or 5 times cheaper than the other Chinese suppliers?


Personally, if brewing Test.C costs me 4 or 5€, plus equipment, materials, and my time, I’d rather buy my Test.C (for me and my friends) from:

• Deus → 11€
• Astera → 9€
• Or even Hilma → 15€

Why?

• EU domestic
• 8–15 days delivery
• Reship options, etc.

Not Driada — they have shipping issues and a very bad communication problem with their wholesale customers.

Brewing is not about price is about quality and controlling everything from the start to the end

 

[Bigguy]

I don’t think so. Forget about 2024 prices — we will never see those prices again.


The market has changed. If QSC comes back and magically has raws with no shipping issues, do you really think he’s going to sell raws 4 or 5 times cheaper than the other Chinese suppliers?


Personally, if brewing Test.C costs me 4 or 5€, plus equipment, materials, and my time, I’d rather buy my Test.C (for me and my friends) from:

• Deus → 11€
• Astera → 9€
• Or even Hilma → 15€

Why?

• EU domestic
• 8–15 days delivery
• Reship options, etc.

Not Driada — they have shipping issues and a very bad communication problem with their wholesale customers.

Test c at €9?

 

[halan1]

Test c at €9?

yes , and them.........you waik up, ohhh was a dream

 

[Photon]

Does this imply the price of chinese or UG domestic test in general (and I assume all from the same raw source) is about to go exponential?

No.
What these guys are selling are leftovers probably. All the good stuff are most slightly taken up by Chinese vendors in bulk before it even comes to us. Chinese vendors have been restocking on their oils a week or two ago. The price is so high because there's only abit left and alot of demand for it.

 

[nidnoy]

You guys really expect govts to follow through on what they say consistently? All this garbage is flavor of the month, new month, new focus. All the chicken little need to relax. It may not be tomorrow but things will get back to normal. And by the way this time last year wasn’t normal either.

 

[halan1]

but things will get back to normal.

Not they will not,
as a 10+ year member i,m sure you have seen this market changes a lot of times

 

[nidnoy]

Not they will not,
as a 10+ year member i,m sure you have seen this market changes a lot of times

They will get back to normal, just not if you consider normal last year. Normal means normal supply, not shortage, and normal prices, which are a bit higher than last year.

Yes things change but people freaking out and saying everything is over forever is a bit off. When operation raw deal went down many thought iugls are done forever, nothing will ever be the same. Obviously they were wrong. And in some ways last year in price looked much like same prices of ssb days.

Maybe stabilize is a better word haha!!

 

[Sampei]

They will get back to normal, just not if you consider normal last year. Normal means normal supply, not shortage, and normal prices, which are a bit higher than last year.

Yes things change but people freaking out and saying everything is over forever is a bit off. When operation raw deal went down many thought iugls are done forever, nothing will ever be the same. Obviously they were wrong. And in some ways last year in price looked much like same prices of ssb days.

Maybe stabilize is a better word haha!!

Current price is not the problem, steady supply is the problem. Higher prices of raw will mean only higher prices of oils that's it.

The supply of the raws is the issue at the moment, the prices are just a consequence of jt