Bloodwork Test levels

[mimovic]

ing sense of this, so i want to ask for your help and experience.

I did bloodwork some time ago, on 525 test per week and my total test levels were aprox 3500 with 20 E2. Later, i did the same bloodwork, with the same dosage from the same source (QSC) and it came back with a total test of 1700 and an e2 of 40.

I upped the test to 875 and used an AI and did bloodwork 6 weeks later and it came back just 1990 ng/dl. This used to give me blood levels of double that or close to it.

So i changed to pharma testoviron with a script straight from the pharmacy, did 750/week and the values came back at 1500ng/dl. So, this is actually in line with the values i got before, at 1990 for 875mg/week.

Have you guys ever experienced something like this, where you aromatization levels increase and the total test value dropped to half of what it was before with the same product? Why are blood levels not climbing to values i had just last december? Desensitization?
Kinda lost here.

Thanks

 

[AllbrandNew]

Were you testing at the same times relative to your last injections? That's the first thing that comes to mind, but I am not at all an expert here.

 

[mimovic]

Were you testing at the same times relative to your last injections? That's the first thing that comes to mind, but I am not at all an expert here.

Yes sir. Still, test E dropping to half of what it used to be just last december is fucked up and has me worried

 

[newguy2]

Total test seems to be all over the place person to person and test to test. Did you also test free test? Often a guy will have not the greatest total test on cycle but his free test will be 5-10x the top of range. My unscientific opinion is that total test is not the greatest metric.

 

[mimovic]

Total test seems to be all over the place person to person and test to test. Did you also test free test? Often a guy will have not the greatest total test on cycle but his free test will be 5-10x the top of range. My unscientific opinion is that total test is not the greatest metric.

Free test was indeed close to 10x the top of the reference range at 250pg or something like that

 

[ganciodestro]

ing sense of this, so i want to ask for your help and experience.

I did bloodwork some time ago, on 525 test per week and my total test levels were aprox 3500 with 20 E2. Later, i did the same bloodwork, with the same dosage from the same source (QSC) and it came back with a total test of 1700 and an e2 of 40.

I upped the test to 875 and used an AI and did bloodwork 6 weeks later and it came back just 1990 ng/dl. This used to give me blood levels of double that or close to it.

So i changed to pharma testoviron with a script straight from the pharmacy, did 750/week and the values came back at 1500ng/dl. So, this is actually in line with the values i got before, at 1990 for 875mg/week.

Have you guys ever experienced something like this, where you aromatization levels increase and the total test value dropped to half of what it was before with the same product? Why are blood levels not climbing to values i had just last december? Desensitization?
Kinda lost here.

Thanks

Same dosage, same timing of blood draw from the last injection, but your testosterone has dropped to less than half the level… 1700 total testosterone is generally what you get with 250 mg of testosterone per week… really, really strange…

 

[Photon]

What else do you have?
SHBG?
Free test?

Was 3500 your first time on T?

 

[Civdiv]

I had a similar situation where I tested around 2400 TT on 300mg/wk and 2 months later tested at 1400 on 500mg/wk. I had added in about 200mg/wk primo for E2 and was also taking Proviron. My E2 for each dose was around 33 (ultrasensitive) . I had crashed my shbg from around 30 to almost single digits. Threw off my TT numbers but free T was still high. There's a thread out there discussing the science behind this.

Did you test shbg each time?

 

[mimovic]

Sadly i didn't get shbg tested. Will do next time for sure.

 

[mimovic]

Here's what John Jewett told me regarding this issue:

I’ve seen this come up with a few guys, and there are a handful of factors that can explain why your numbers are so different even though the dosing looks the same on paper. Here’s how I’d break it down:

1. Standardization of Testing

Make sure your labs are always drawn at the same point in your injection schedule (e.g., if you’re doing EOD shots, test on the same “day after” pattern).

Even a day or two difference can cut total T numbers in half because of the way esters release and clear.

2. Changes in Physiology

Body fat & aromatization: If body fat or insulin resistance increased, you’ll aromatize more test into estrogen, which could explain why E2 rose while total T looked lower.

SHBG: If SHBG dropped, you’ll metabolize and clear test faster. In that case, serum total T can read lower even though free T is still decent. Always check SHBG alongside total and free T for context.

3. Drug Quality & Dosing Reality

The first batch you ran that gave you 3500 ng/dL at 525 mg/wk was very likely overdosed. That happens a lot with UGL products.

The later labs (1700–2000 ng/dL on 750–875 mg/wk and 1500 ng/dL on pharmacy Testoviron) are much more in line with what we’d expect from pharma quality.

So the outlier is probably the first test, not the most recent ones.

Bottom line:
No, it’s not “desensitization” to testosterone. What you’re seeing is most likely (1) test timing differences, (2) possible changes in SHBG/body comp, and (3) a UGL batch that was heavily overdosed compared to pharma standard. I’d trust the Testoviron numbers more and set your expectations there.

 

[Photon]

You need test, shbg and free test, maybe even more.
Alot of info about bloodwork here, read it up.
Not just test.

To be overdosed to the point of 3500 on UGL as compared to 1500 on Pharma at the suposedly same mg/ml, the solution will be extremely thick. Does the oil feel 2x thicker? Do you take significantly longer to inject? Are you using a different needle size? If not, that point is moot. At that concentration, it will PIP you so badly you won't be able to walk.

Timing difference, yes, but if you draw labs both right before your next injection, using the same ester, the difference shouldn't be double.

It's more likely something to do with SHBG or something else (wheres the bloodwork..).

 

[mimovic]

Don't have shbg but free test is 250pg, so well above the top reference range. top range is 22

 

[Photon]

Don't have shbg but free test is 250pg, so well above the top reference range. top range is 22

What was free test on 3 occasions you are comparing? The overdosed scenario is the least likely scenario. To be overdosed to that point would result in huge painful lumps each time u inject.

 

[mimovic]

With the 875mg/week free test was 250pg. With the 750 the report only says it's over 60 but probably capped there but can't be sure

 

[120nmol]

Happened to me many times
Cap is set to 120nnmol here
But the free t is the one that was weird for me

On 700 test free t was around 5. Something don’t remember
On 150test a week free t was at 8.66 and I can say it was the only time I felt amazing on such a low dose
Regarding shbG it’s always between 17-28 no matter the anabolic nor dosages.