Got this ultrasound a few months back. Possible adenoma. Doc refuses to give me follow up MRI until November. 4 weeks on my first cycle now. Supposedly even low test can make these grow and rupture. Anyone know anything about this or ways to get a test pushed up or get an Ultra without a referral so I don’t die LOL.
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sionnach
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Did he refuse or are they just backed up til then? Go to a different doc. Second opinion is warranted in these situations anyway.
Sucks bro. Hope it's not as bad as you're worried it is.
Original mri said follow up now or in 6 months she chose 6 months. It’s been about 3 months and she just said she can’t give it to me until the 6 month mark but the more I learn about it the more scary it becomes.
sionnach
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Hemangioma and adenoma are scary words, but relatively not that bad on the scale of scary words. What were your labs like?
I'd definitely find a 2nd doc.
BamaCrazy
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Several months ago a CT scan of my chest cavity and abdomen discovered an abnormal growth on my liver. They performed another CT scan of my liver in June and the findings were 2 cm hemangioma in segment 2 of my liver. But no suspicious liver lesion identified. I was also initially a little concerned but it turned out to be nothing.
go read my posts on ProM about my two liver tumors I just had removed. One was biopsied to be a beta catenin mutated adenoma, the type most likely to become cancer. The only treatment for this in men is removal, either resection (cut a section out of your liver) or microwave ablation. Mine had to be microwave ablated due to the heavy bleeding from the initial cuts to my liver. The recovery on this sucks too, quite painful.
I had no symptoms, only slightly elevated above normal range AST/ALT and normal GGT. I did not stop training for blood work though so those should be elevated. I had MRI done for a separate unrelated stomach issue and found the tumors.
Don't use orals or tren guys, its rolling the dice.
Don't use orals or tren guys, its rolling the dice.
Just read your Promusc post. Damn man sorry to hear you went through all that. Hoping it’s just a hemangioma. Funny thing is they found this before I even touched gear just some Reta that fucked me up pretty bad systemic flu like symptoms hence why i was in the hospital. Could have been a mislabeled Igf like peptide and I was megadosing unbeknownst to me or maybe it’s completely unrelated. I was also 300 lbs for a few years but I’d be surprised if that actually caused an adenoma. Atm my enzymes are 17/21 but I’ve read they can be very low and you can still have an Adenoma grow/rupture. Glad I found it incidentally though before I started gear as I would have likely started out with test primo and anavar which could have killed me. Maybe if I tell my doc I’m on gear she’ll let me get it now. Lately been feeling very bloated and dull pain in my abdomen it sucks every time I feel a pain or start to get dizzy wondering if I’m about to die.
It sucks to hear you are having to deal with this. Having an adenoma really won't give any symptoms until its quite large ~5cm and at that point, a rupture could kill you. If mine wasn't growing so aggressively (doubled in size in two years) and if the biopsy didn't come back as beta catenin mutated (most likely to become cancer), I might have just stayed on TRT dosages only and seen if it would decrease in size.
When adenomas appear in women from birth control, they often disappear once the estrogen based BC is stopped. This hasn't been shown in men, probably because adenomas are very rare in men and seemingly almost always caused by AAS usage, specifically 17AA oral steroids (and maybe tren or nandrolone).
You are lucky yours showed up on ultrasound, mine would not show up on ultrasound and only were visible on MRI with special contrasts. Did the ultrasound measure how big the possible adenoma is? If your MRI shows that it is likely an adenoma (at least not a benign hyperplasia) then you may have to do a nuclear CT scan to rule out hemangioma before you can biopsy it (can't biopsy a hemangioma, it will just bleed). If it is still really small then you may just want to monitor it and see if it grows before going for a biopsy.
I think I posted the image in the original message. They found it in an ultrasound at first then I had an MRI and says “Lesion at the hepatic dome measuring up to 3.3 cm is favored to represent a hemangioma, however enhancement characteristics on prior study are atypical. Findings could less likely represent a hepatic adenoma versus FNH. However, definitive evaluation requires IV contrast. Recommend repeat MRI abdomen with contrast now or follow-up MRI abdomen. this was comforting at first but then I realized “statistically” likely is just referring to the fact that I’m a man and its uncommon in men not related to the image at all. Been on 250 test for 4 weeks now first cycle ever estrogen likely got pretty high at first on an ai now but 4wk bloodwork this week. Doesn’t help that I’m on high dose reta so my constant stomach side effects make me constantly think about the adenoma. Also doesn’t help they just found swollen lymph nodes all over my body just this past week waiting on that ultrasound for 6 days now. I think the scariest part is that bloodwork can be fine and you can have no side effects and then bam it bursts and you die which is especially scary as I just turned 23. If I was giving advice to myself I’d say come off everything but it’s easier said than done.
That would be extremely fast growing if the mass grew in 4 weeks, 250mg/wk is barely a cycle for most. It is most likely not a adenoma caused by AAS.
Yeah I had before cycle. Got follow up mri. Confirmed adenoma 2.7x3.2cm. Hasn’t grown in 6 months and appears stable which is good but now on 400 test 25-37.5 var and 4iu gh so not ideal lol
You need to get it biopsied to see if the adenoma is beta-catenin mutated. Adenoma that is beta-catenin mutated has a much higher likelihood of becoming cancer.
its been pretty calculated. 200 for a month 300 for a month 350 for a month 2 ius gh now 400 for a month 4 ius gh 25-37.5 var jus slowly ramping mg and calories and pushing lifts up
I'd drop all orals and make sure e2 is under control if you want to keep that adenoma from growing.
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