MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund

[dinfar1337]

Hey, second post on here but wanted to see if I could contribute. Since I saw this topic a few days ago I looked around for US domestic sources with low MOQ (I only needed one vial of tren E)

I asked Matrix about Tren E and he replied:
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I later said that I was looking for something lighter, and he did reply that his tren A is very light, but not sure if it was just to appease

Primal Pharma sent these two images (I cropped dead space):
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GG-Pharma sent this (I cropped dead space):
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Primal Phama's seemed the best of the three so I ordered. Just got it today:
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Lighting and background do play a big role but to me it seems a little lighter than @BamaCrazy 's. Diff batch maybe? I ordered three days ago.

Anyways I'm going to inject and update if I get the cough. Let me know what you guys think

this is great! thank you

for tren cough, wether orange or yellow. im pretty sure ester plays a bigger role.

from ace you'll absorb it way faster than e, and more users report more sides and tren cough on ace. Many people tolerate e very well.

this is just a theory, but you're absorbing more oxidized tren - which can lead to biological oxidative health issues, both short term - and long term.

 

[Photon]

Hey, second post on here but wanted to see if I could contribute. Since I saw this topic a few days ago I looked around for US domestic sources with low MOQ (I only needed one vial of tren E)

I asked Matrix about Tren E and he replied:
View attachment 340525
I later said that I was looking for something lighter, and he did reply that his tren A is very light, but not sure if it was just to appease

Primal Pharma sent these two images (I cropped dead space):
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GG-Pharma sent this (I cropped dead space):
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Primal Phama's seemed the best of the three so I ordered. Just got it today:
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Lighting and background do play a big role but to me it seems a little lighter than @BamaCrazy 's. Diff batch maybe? I ordered three days ago.

Anyways I'm going to inject and update if I get the cough. Let me know what you guys think

Matrix's doesnt look light to me..

Janoshik Analytical

Edit:
Ok Bama's is TRE 400
I assume yours is 200?

 

[zzzz]

Matrix's doesnt look light to me..

Janoshik Analytical

Edit:
Ok Bama's is TRE 400
I assume yours is 200?

Yeah it's 200, I'll edit and update the post rq ty

 

[Photon]

Yeah it's 200, I'll edit and update the post rq ty

Still a far cry from Stan.
I guess they need to hydrate more.
Thanks for sharing, def looks way better than the ones i have.

 

[zzzz]

Still a far cry from Stan.
I guess they need to hydrate more.
Thanks for sharing, def looks way better than the ones i have.

Yeah so far domestic-wise, based on the pictures shared here it seems Stanford has the best, and it's GSO. Isn't GSO slightly tinted yellow by default which makes it entirely possible his is not burnt/oxidized at all? Curious about his tren E in MCT

 

[readalot]

Hey, second post on here but wanted to see if I could contribute. Since I saw this topic a few days ago I looked around for US domestic sources with low MOQ (I only needed one vial of tren E 200mg/ml)

I asked Matrix about Tren E and he replied:
View attachment 340525
I later said that I was looking for something lighter, and he did reply that his tren A is "very light in color" verbatim, but not sure if it was just to appease

Primal Pharma sent these two images (I cropped dead space):
View attachment 340529 View attachment 340530

GG-Pharma sent this (I cropped dead space):
View attachment 340531

Primal Phama's seemed the best of the three so I ordered. Just got it today:
View attachment 340532View attachment 340533

Lighting and background do play a big role but to me it seems a little lighter than @BamaCrazy 's. Diff batch maybe? I ordered three days ago. Edit: Apparently his is 400mg/ml so that would explain it

Anyways I'm going to inject and update if I get the cough. Let me know what you guys think

Hyuuuge 2nd post! Thank you.

 

[Photon]

Yeah so far domestic-wise, based on the pictures shared here it seems Stanford has the best, and it's GSO. Isn't GSO slightly tinted yellow by default which makes it entirely possible his is not burnt/oxidized at all?

Actually does make it more impressive.

 

[dinfar1337]

Actually does make it more impressive.

it depends on carrier oil : bb ratio

you never see gso testosterone being yellow. because bb is fat solube. carrier oil will most likely not make a key difference in oil color, unless if we use something weird like avocado oil(bb wont dissolve natural colors)

 

[Photon]

it depends on carrier oil : bb ratio

you never see gso testosterone being yellow. because bb is fat solube. carrier oil will most likely not make a key difference in oil color, unless if we use something weird like avocado oil(bb wont dissolve natural colors)

I mean, BB probably isn't a huge % i hope, for normal brews like TRE200.
I think Primal's TRE20 should be 2/20 and TRE400 2/32?

 

[dinfar1337]

I mean, BB probably isn't a huge % i hope, for normal brews like TRE200.
I think Primal's TRE20 should be 2/20 and TRE400 2/32?

but primals were mct, and what color is mct?

 

[readalot]

Interaction with Primal:

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MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Aug 11, 2025

Not going to go too in-depth but will answer the best we can.

Brew temps are run on the lower side to keep oxidation down and help maintain that lighter color. Same raws across each ester, but color can still vary a bit depending on both raw material and brew procedure.

Color isn’t just about the raws, it’s a combo of raw quality, handling, and how the brew is run. Even with identical raws, pushing temps too high or for too long will darken it.

What you’re seeing here is pretty close to the lightest we can get without compromising sterility.

On oxidation/degradation - Lower brew...

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[TallandSmall]

A few of us send in our pharma Test / nandrolone as controls for GCMS and we are just about there. Well done.

I was considering doing this myself but I’m currently leaning away from it since a $300+ test (including HPLC, guaicol, BA/BB) is a bit expensive for the sake of curiosity on Rx. I would be interested in having that comparison standard though. I have compounded Rx and not true pharma. I’d pitch in $25 for someone else to test their Rx. Or I might still be able to be persuaded to include the compounded Rx in my Jano order going out soon.

 

[Photon]

but primals were mct, and what color is mct?

I actually think GSO may be more yellow than MCT.

 

[dinfar1337]

I actually think GSO may be more yellow than MCT.

you are right

and so am i.

the color difference isnt so big brewing with this or that.

but if you mess enough with oil : bb ratio you can change your color in a matter of maximum, as not adding or removing more than a "tint" hint of color.

 

[readalot]

We may be getting closer to a new fundable project. HPLC plus GCMS on low color, medium color, and dark color tren acetate. All three vials from same batch. Higher color vials will be heated to achieve this additional color.

I reached out to this vendor to see if we can get lowest color achievable to start with for all 3 vials.

HPLC plus GCMS will run 290 USD per vial. Times 3 that is 870 USD. I would also like to purchase time with @janoshik team to nail down the MS spectra interpretation on any degradation products we find. Can we correlate relative concentration(s) to color?

Also will be the cost of the 3 vials. How much should we include for your SME review @janoshik? 300 USD? 500?

Thank you in advance. Members: please provide comments / feedback.

Note the request below:

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MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Aug 12, 2025

Not going to go too in-depth but will answer the best we can.

Brew temps are run on the lower side to keep oxidation down and help maintain that lighter color. Same raws across each ester, but color can still vary a bit depending on both raw material and brew procedure.

Color isn’t just about the raws, it’s a combo of raw quality, handling, and how the brew is run. Even with identical raws, pushing temps too high or for too long will darken it.

What you’re seeing here is pretty close to the lightest we can get without compromising sterility.

On oxidation/degradation - Lower brew...

• readalot

If there are other vendors who would like to apply for inclusion please post here with color photo and reference white background. Let's see your tren ace color!

 

[dinfar1337]

We may be getting closer to a new fundable project. HPLC plus GCMS on low color, medium color, and dark color tren acetate. All three vials from same batch. Higher color vials will be heated to achieve this additional color.

I reached out to this vendor to see if we can get lowest color achievable to start with for all 3 vials.

HPLC plus GCMS will run 290 USD per vial. Times 3 that is 870 USD. I would also like to purchase time with @janoshik team to nail down the MS spectra interpretation on any degradation products we find. Can we correlate relative concentration(s) to color?

Also will be the cost of the 3 vials. How much should we include for your SME review @janoshik? 300 USD? 500?

Thank you in advance. Members: please provide comments / feedback.

Note the request below:

R

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Aug 12, 2025

Not going to go too in-depth but will answer the best we can.

Brew temps are run on the lower side to keep oxidation down and help maintain that lighter color. Same raws across each ester, but color can still vary a bit depending on both raw material and brew procedure.

Color isn’t just about the raws, it’s a combo of raw quality, handling, and how the brew is run. Even with identical raws, pushing temps too high or for too long will darken it.

What you’re seeing here is pretty close to the lightest we can get without compromising sterility.

On oxidation/degradation - Lower brew...

• readalot

If there are other vendors who would like to apply for inclusion please post here with color photo and reference white background. Let's see your tren ace color!

were can we donate

i have some scraps for you

 

[readalot]

Also raws in the mix. See here.

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MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Aug 12, 2025

Also going to send in this Tren Ace raw for testing to give us more insight

Well then we should coordinate that as well. We will need HPLC (high resolution and specific reporting) plus GCMS. The group can purchase that as well. Can you share reference photo of the raw on white background?

This has to be done methodically.

I appreciate your willingness to participate in this study. Thank you.

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[readalot]

were can we donate

i have some scraps for you

See above in the thread. We never agreed on anything but best bet is sending donations to a trusted member who can fund Jano. This member can hold all funds in escrow. Also @Vanargandar and team have a group set up for this.

 

[dinfar1337]

See above in the thread. We never agreed on anything but best bet is sending donations to a trusted member who can fund Jano. This member can hold all funds in escrow. Also @Vanargandar and team have a group set up for this.

as long as i can put my money where my mouth is im happy. pls write it in here or dm when u have figured it out

 

[readalot]

as long as i can put my money where my mouth is im happy. pls write it in here or dm when u have figured it out

Appreciate all your help and participation Brother. You are a good friend of the mission here.