Ruptured tendon healing protocol

[AllGoodThings]

This Wednesday I was clearing some brush around my property with a machete, and once particular back handed swing that I put a lot of force into was abruptly stopped by a limb too thick for me to get through in one swing. When it did, my right bicep rolled down my arm considerably, looking much like the deformity Larry Wheels' arm has. I don't recall feeling or hearing a pop, but it easily could have done so and I didn't register it. Also felt zero pain. I haven't flexed my bicep since the injury, but the deformity isn't apparent any longer, perhaps due to the swelling. Pain is almost non existent still, unless I push on my outer bicep. It does feel tight after leaving it in one position for a while, but that resolves once I entend my arm fully. Pushing on the shoulder area isn't painful. Swelling is moderate, and I don't see apparent bruising, but then again my skin is melanotan 2 darkened, so a bit difficult to see. My bicep definitely appears to be quite flaccid, and rolling my hand from pronation to supination doesn't illicit much if any movement of the bicep. I was unable to complete an mri scan due to being a big baby (claustrophobia), and sedated MRI's are booked out until March. After some research on this particular type of injury, and the variables introduced by severity, including a full avulsion, I'm almost entirely settled on a non surgical approach. I've done some searching here and came up with what I believe to be a decent peptide protocol to help with my recent tendon rupture. The peptides I plan to use are;

BPC-157, 1.5mg 3x/day (4.5mg/day total)
Oral BPC-157 500mcg 2x/day
TB4 (TB-500 full sequence) 1mg 3x/day (3mg/day total)
TB-500 fragment 17-23 2mg EOD
rHGH 12iu/day bedtime, subq (this is what I was already taking dosage-wise)
GHK-CU I don't have a dose decided upon yet, seen widely varying doses
KPV injectable Unknown dose

Test Enanthate 250mg/week (dropped down from 750mg/week)
Anavar 50mg/day
NPP 100mg/week to help a little with pain as I start very light training with that arm. Obviously this will be assessed based on pain.

Other peptides I'm taking that are probably not efficacious in treating the injury, but I'll include them in case anyone has insight on them, if I should discontinue any of them for any reason, etc..

Selank 1mg/day
Retatrutide 1.5mg 2x/week
SS-31 5mg/day
MOTS-C 2mg/day
Oral SLU-PP-332 1000mcg 3x/day

My diet will be at or a couple hundred calories above maintainance, was planning on Cals being 45% protein, 35% carbs, 20% fats.


Any additional peptide or other compounds or natural supplements I should consider?

Any guidance or advice with dosing of anything above is welcomed, especially with ghk-cu and KPV, as I don't know where to start with those.

Any advice in general would be appreciated, especially from those that have gone through this particular injury. I'm hoping to be able to do some non bicep-loading upper body work pretty quickly (e.g. Lateral raises with the machine that has a pad that goes against your upper arm near the elbow) but don't want to screw up the healing, so I'd love some guidance from those with more education and/or experience than me.

 

[Ateam2023]

This Wednesday I was clearing some brush around my property with a machete, and once particular back handed swing that I put a lot of force into was abruptly stopped by a limb too thick for me to get through in one swing. When it did, my right bicep rolled down my arm considerably, looking much like the deformity Larry Wheels' arm has. I don't recall feeling or hearing a pop, but it easily could have done so and I didn't register it. Also felt zero pain. I haven't flexed my bicep since the injury, but the deformity isn't apparent any longer, perhaps due to the swelling. Pain is almost non existent still, unless I push on my outer bicep. It does feel tight after leaving it in one position for a while, but that resolves once I entend my arm fully. Pushing on the shoulder area isn't painful. Swelling is moderate, and I don't see apparent bruising, but then again my skin is melanotan 2 darkened, so a bit difficult to see. My bicep definitely appears to be quite flaccid, and rolling my hand from pronation to supination doesn't illicit much if any movement of the bicep. I was unable to complete an mri scan due to being a big baby (claustrophobia), and sedated MRI's are booked out until March. After some research on this particular type of injury, and the variables introduced by severity, including a full avulsion, I'm almost entirely settled on a non surgical approach. I've done some searching here and came up with what I believe to be a decent peptide protocol to help with my recent tendon rupture. The peptides I plan to use are;

BPC-157, 1.5mg 3x/day (4.5mg/day total)
Oral BPC-157 500mcg 2x/day
TB4 (TB-500 full sequence) 1mg 3x/day (3mg/day total)
TB-500 fragment 17-23 2mg EOD
rHGH 12iu/day bedtime, subq (this is what I was already taking dosage-wise)
GHK-CU I don't have a dose decided upon yet, seen widely varying doses
KPV injectable Unknown dose

Test Enanthate 250mg/week (dropped down from 750mg/week)
Anavar 50mg/day
NPP 100mg/week to help a little with pain as I start very light training with that arm. Obviously this will be assessed based on pain.

Other peptides I'm taking that are probably not efficacious in treating the injury, but I'll include them in case anyone has insight on them, if I should discontinue any of them for any reason, etc..

Selank 1mg/day
Retatrutide 1.5mg 2x/week
SS-31 5mg/day
MOTS-C 2mg/day
Oral SLU-PP-332 1000mcg 3x/day

My diet will be at or a couple hundred calories above maintainance, was planning on Cals being 45% protein, 35% carbs, 20% fats.


Any additional peptide or other compounds or natural supplements I should consider?

Any guidance or advice with dosing of anything above is welcomed, especially with ghk-cu and KPV, as I don't know where to start with those.

Any advice in general would be appreciated, especially from those that have gone through this particular injury. I'm hoping to be able to do some non bicep-loading upper body work pretty quickly (e.g. Lateral raises with the machine that has a pad that goes against your upper arm near the elbow) but don't want to screw up the healing, so I'd love some guidance from those with more education and/or experience than me.

well it sounds like you may have popped the long head of the biceps, i current have a re-ruptured long head biceps tendon at the shoulder, i have rotator cuff# tear at the infraspinatus/supraspinatus tendons, full complete tears , i had this repaired 8-9 years ago and well it finally (through a chain of events) let loose again, i was on a cycle when everything just gave out, lol , like a said a "chain of events" led up to the retears/re-rupture,, But i was able to train for the most part , i limited certain excercise (preacher curls etc) , but after awhile its gonna potentially lead to other problems, i would definitely get it checked by a mri, so you at least know how to deal with it whether thats surgery or just a modified program,
Now on to peptides etc for healing and maintenance for the issue, you have it all pretty much covered and i want to especially tip my hat to your doses of bpc etc, no baby ass doses thank god, you will go through some kits lemme tell ya, but it does truly help the higher you go with tb4/5 frag/ bpc157 mg wise ,, better ime, And i really aggravate my injury when i do "side laterals" with the pad like you said, it just trashes my shit, but my cuffs are really bad so that could be the reason, i did "isolate" my side delts really well as to not engage the rotator cuffs for the lift ,lol ifykyk, idk man , find out what kind of tear you have and adjust accordingly,, Good luck, and keep us updated,,

 

[Elektrobot]

Well shit. That fuckin sucks

Do you have an "open mri" imaging center in your area? Those machines are much less claustrophobic.

I'm sure you have already considered this, but if a tendon is detached, peptides aren't going to make it jump back onto the bone.

The lack of bruising makes me wonder if that's what happened. A torn muscle will bleed. a detached tendon has very little vascularization to cause bleeding

 

[AllGoodThings]

well it sounds like you may have popped the long head of the biceps, i current have a re-ruptured long head biceps tendon at the shoulder, i have rotator cuff# tear at the infraspinatus/supraspinatus tendons, full complete tears , i had this repaired 8-9 years ago and well it finally (through a chain of events) let loose again, i was on a cycle when everything just gave out, lol , like a said a "chain of events" led up to the retears/re-rupture,, But i was able to train for the most part , i limited certain excercise (preacher curls etc) , but after awhile its gonna potentially lead to other problems, i would definitely get it checked by a mri, so you at least know how to deal with it whether thats surgery or just a modified program,
Now on to peptides etc for healing and maintenance for the issue, you have it all pretty much covered and i want to especially tip my hat to your doses of bpc etc, no baby ass doses thank god, you will go through some kits lemme tell ya, but it does truly help the higher you go with tb4/5 frag/ bpc157 mg wise ,, better ime, And i really aggravate my injury when i do "side laterals" with the pad like you said, it just trashes my shit, but my cuffs are really bad so that could be the reason, i did "isolate" my side delts really well as to not engage the rotator cuffs for the lift ,lol ifykyk, idk man , find out what kind of tear you have and adjust accordingly,, Good luck, and keep us updated,,

I'm pretty sure your posts were some of what I read during my research into the subject, and also one of the reasons for me arriving at higher doses for those peptides, so thank you for that, as well as for your reply here. My shoulder itself feels solid, and I'm fairly certain the injury is relegated to the bicep long head. Your injuries sound very... intimidating. All I've ever heard about shoulder tears and the surgery needed to fix them are stories I cringe at and pray never happen to me. I really hope you're doing well now and are able to lift without too much pain or serious limitations.

Well shit. That fuckin sucks

Do you have an "open mri" imaging center in your area? Those machines are much less claustrophobic.

I'm sure you have already considered this, but if a tendon is detached, peptides aren't going to make it jump back onto the bone.

The lack of bruising makes me wonder if that's what happened. A torn muscle will bleed. a detached tendon has very little vascularization to cause bleeding

I did find an open mri, which is actually what I ended up needing to get when I ruptured my other bicep tendon at the distal (forearm) connection. That one was surgically repaired, and 7 years later now is as if it had never happened. Can barely see the surgical scar, even. Unfortunately, I now live in an entirely different area and state, so the nearest open mri is going to a 2.5 hour trip, minimum. The one I attempted was just miserable for me. I was told it was a newer 3Tesla model with advanced AI imaging and that is wasn't small. Still, I had to roll my shoulders forward to fit, and there was constant pressure from the sides, as if I was being bear hugged, while inside. The top of the machine was about 2 to 3 inches from my nose. Even reliving it as I'm describing it now is giving me a rush of anxiety. Like I said, I'm a big baby. It will be good to have the information as to what exactly happened in my arm so I can have a plan moving forward based off a diagnosis. I do now see definite bruising in my mid and lower bicep, as I assume it's draining with gravity, but not much of any near the shoulder. Perhaps the tendon tore from the muscle. It's already noticeably less tender to the touch when compared to yesterday.

This is all so frustrating for me as I was getting into literally the best shape of my life these past few months. I had never been this lean at this weight before, and I was really starting to feel amazing. I had never done GH in my life, but now at about 5 or so months in, things were really starting to come together. Thr handle I picked for the forum ended up being fortuitous... "All good things must come to an end" Despite my inclination toward pessimistic thinking, I know a positive attitude is of great benefit in these types of circumstances, so I'll try not to wallow.
To add insult to injury, I either got a mild case of food poisoning yesterday, or the Telmisartan I literally just started on Thursday is not agreeing with me, but either way I was in the bathroom all afternoon, evening and overnight. C'est la vie!

 

[Ateam2023]

you can't really tell when you "pop" your biceps tendon, it bruises some, but you can still curl, because the short head is picking up the slack,, I would get that MRI

 

[Proud Pangolin]

This Wednesday I was clearing some brush around my property with a machete, and once particular back handed swing that I put a lot of force into was abruptly stopped by a limb too thick for me to get through in one swing. When it did, my right bicep rolled down my arm considerably, looking much like the deformity Larry Wheels' arm has. I don't recall feeling or hearing a pop, but it easily could have done so and I didn't register it. Also felt zero pain. I haven't flexed my bicep since the injury, but the deformity isn't apparent any longer, perhaps due to the swelling. Pain is almost non existent still, unless I push on my outer bicep. It does feel tight after leaving it in one position for a while, but that resolves once I entend my arm fully. Pushing on the shoulder area isn't painful. Swelling is moderate, and I don't see apparent bruising, but then again my skin is melanotan 2 darkened, so a bit difficult to see. My bicep definitely appears to be quite flaccid, and rolling my hand from pronation to supination doesn't illicit much if any movement of the bicep. I was unable to complete an mri scan due to being a big baby (claustrophobia), and sedated MRI's are booked out until March. After some research on this particular type of injury, and the variables introduced by severity, including a full avulsion, I'm almost entirely settled on a non surgical approach. I've done some searching here and came up with what I believe to be a decent peptide protocol to help with my recent tendon rupture. The peptides I plan to use are;

BPC-157, 1.5mg 3x/day (4.5mg/day total)
Oral BPC-157 500mcg 2x/day
TB4 (TB-500 full sequence) 1mg 3x/day (3mg/day total)
TB-500 fragment 17-23 2mg EOD
rHGH 12iu/day bedtime, subq (this is what I was already taking dosage-wise)
GHK-CU I don't have a dose decided upon yet, seen widely varying doses
KPV injectable Unknown dose

Test Enanthate 250mg/week (dropped down from 750mg/week)
Anavar 50mg/day
NPP 100mg/week to help a little with pain as I start very light training with that arm. Obviously this will be assessed based on pain.

Other peptides I'm taking that are probably not efficacious in treating the injury, but I'll include them in case anyone has insight on them, if I should discontinue any of them for any reason, etc..

Selank 1mg/day
Retatrutide 1.5mg 2x/week
SS-31 5mg/day
MOTS-C 2mg/day
Oral SLU-PP-332 1000mcg 3x/day

My diet will be at or a couple hundred calories above maintainance, was planning on Cals being 45% protein, 35% carbs, 20% fats.


Any additional peptide or other compounds or natural supplements I should consider?

Any guidance or advice with dosing of anything above is welcomed, especially with ghk-cu and KPV, as I don't know where to start with those.

Any advice in general would be appreciated, especially from those that have gone through this particular injury. I'm hoping to be able to do some non bicep-loading upper body work pretty quickly (e.g. Lateral raises with the machine that has a pad that goes against your upper arm near the elbow) but don't want to screw up the healing, so I'd love some guidance from those with more education and/or experience than me.

I would

This Wednesday I was clearing some brush around my property with a machete, and once particular back handed swing that I put a lot of force into was abruptly stopped by a limb too thick for me to get through in one swing. When it did, my right bicep rolled down my arm considerably, looking much like the deformity Larry Wheels' arm has. I don't recall feeling or hearing a pop, but it easily could have done so and I didn't register it. Also felt zero pain. I haven't flexed my bicep since the injury, but the deformity isn't apparent any longer, perhaps due to the swelling. Pain is almost non existent still, unless I push on my outer bicep. It does feel tight after leaving it in one position for a while, but that resolves once I entend my arm fully. Pushing on the shoulder area isn't painful. Swelling is moderate, and I don't see apparent bruising, but then again my skin is melanotan 2 darkened, so a bit difficult to see. My bicep definitely appears to be quite flaccid, and rolling my hand from pronation to supination doesn't illicit much if any movement of the bicep. I was unable to complete an mri scan due to being a big baby (claustrophobia), and sedated MRI's are booked out until March. After some research on this particular type of injury, and the variables introduced by severity, including a full avulsion, I'm almost entirely settled on a non surgical approach. I've done some searching here and came up with what I believe to be a decent peptide protocol to help with my recent tendon rupture. The peptides I plan to use are;

BPC-157, 1.5mg 3x/day (4.5mg/day total)
Oral BPC-157 500mcg 2x/day
TB4 (TB-500 full sequence) 1mg 3x/day (3mg/day total)
TB-500 fragment 17-23 2mg EOD
rHGH 12iu/day bedtime, subq (this is what I was already taking dosage-wise)
GHK-CU I don't have a dose decided upon yet, seen widely varying doses
KPV injectable Unknown dose

Test Enanthate 250mg/week (dropped down from 750mg/week)
Anavar 50mg/day
NPP 100mg/week to help a little with pain as I start very light training with that arm. Obviously this will be assessed based on pain.

Other peptides I'm taking that are probably not efficacious in treating the injury, but I'll include them in case anyone has insight on them, if I should discontinue any of them for any reason, etc..

Selank 1mg/day
Retatrutide 1.5mg 2x/week
SS-31 5mg/day
MOTS-C 2mg/day
Oral SLU-PP-332 1000mcg 3x/day

My diet will be at or a couple hundred calories above maintainance, was planning on Cals being 45% protein, 35% carbs, 20% fats.


Any additional peptide or other compounds or natural supplements I should consider?

Any guidance or advice with dosing of anything above is welcomed, especially with ghk-cu and KPV, as I don't know where to start with those.

Any advice in general would be appreciated, especially from those that have gone through this particular injury. I'm hoping to be able to do some non bicep-loading upper body work pretty quickly (e.g. Lateral raises with the machine that has a pad that goes against your upper arm near the elbow) but don't want to screw up the healing, so I'd love some guidance from those with more education and/or experience than me

The KPV is important in the beginning, to counter inflammation. With GHK-CU: more is more i would say and otherwise add some

BIOACTIVE kollagen Peptides!! Be aware of the source/get yourself a good bioavaiable source and take it at least 3 times a day like 30min before you inject your healing peptides. And again the rule is: more is more

 

[Proud Pangolin]

This Wednesday I was clearing some brush around my property with a machete, and once particular back handed swing that I put a lot of force into was abruptly stopped by a limb too thick for me to get through in one swing. When it did, my right bicep rolled down my arm considerably, looking much like the deformity Larry Wheels' arm has. I don't recall feeling or hearing a pop, but it easily could have done so and I didn't register it. Also felt zero pain. I haven't flexed my bicep since the injury, but the deformity isn't apparent any longer, perhaps due to the swelling. Pain is almost non existent still, unless I push on my outer bicep. It does feel tight after leaving it in one position for a while, but that resolves once I entend my arm fully. Pushing on the shoulder area isn't painful. Swelling is moderate, and I don't see apparent bruising, but then again my skin is melanotan 2 darkened, so a bit difficult to see. My bicep definitely appears to be quite flaccid, and rolling my hand from pronation to supination doesn't illicit much if any movement of the bicep. I was unable to complete an mri scan due to being a big baby (claustrophobia), and sedated MRI's are booked out until March. After some research on this particular type of injury, and the variables introduced by severity, including a full avulsion, I'm almost entirely settled on a non surgical approach. I've done some searching here and came up with what I believe to be a decent peptide protocol to help with my recent tendon rupture. The peptides I plan to use are;

BPC-157, 1.5mg 3x/day (4.5mg/day total)
Oral BPC-157 500mcg 2x/day
TB4 (TB-500 full sequence) 1mg 3x/day (3mg/day total)
TB-500 fragment 17-23 2mg EOD
rHGH 12iu/day bedtime, subq (this is what I was already taking dosage-wise)
GHK-CU I don't have a dose decided upon yet, seen widely varying doses
KPV injectable Unknown dose

Test Enanthate 250mg/week (dropped down from 750mg/week)
Anavar 50mg/day
NPP 100mg/week to help a little with pain as I start very light training with that arm. Obviously this will be assessed based on pain.

Other peptides I'm taking that are probably not efficacious in treating the injury, but I'll include them in case anyone has insight on them, if I should discontinue any of them for any reason, etc..

Selank 1mg/day
Retatrutide 1.5mg 2x/week
SS-31 5mg/day
MOTS-C 2mg/day
Oral SLU-PP-332 1000mcg 3x/day

My diet will be at or a couple hundred calories above maintainance, was planning on Cals being 45% protein, 35% carbs, 20% fats.


Any additional peptide or other compounds or natural supplements I should consider?

Any guidance or advice with dosing of anything above is welcomed, especially with ghk-cu and KPV, as I don't know where to start with those.

Any advice in general would be appreciated, especially from those that have gone through this particular injury. I'm hoping to be able to do some non bicep-loading upper body work pretty quickly (e.g. Lateral raises with the machine that has a pad that goes against your upper arm near the elbow) but don't want to screw up the healing, so I'd love some guidance from those with more education and/or experience than me.

One more thing: i would split the HGH up over the day in 3-4 dosages. Tendong healing do smt just come from the igf-1 so you basically want stable bloodlevels over the day

 

[AllGoodThings]

One more thing: i would split the HGH up over the day in 3-4 dosages. Tendong healing do smt just come from the igf-1 so you basically want stable bloodlevels over the day

I had considered this, but I want to do it for as short a duration as possible. I've already noticed my fasted glucose numbers are in the low 90's, so I'm concerned about insulin resistance. I may do it for 3 or 4 months, max. Thank you for all the other advice as well, I will incorporate it into my recovery plan. Any particular brand you recommend for the bioactive collagen peptides?

 

[Proud Pangolin]

I had considered this, but I want to do it for as short a duration as possible. I've already noticed my fasted glucose numbers are in the low 90's, so I'm concerned about insulin resistance. I may do it for 3 or 4 months, max. Thank you for all the other advice as well, I will incorporate it into my recovery plan. Any particular brand you recommend for the bioactive collagen peptides?

Hammer Berberine, ALA, Inositol and Chromium with every meal (More is more). Optionally bring oit the big guns: Reta/Tirz or even Metformin

 

[Proud Pangolin]

I had considered this, but I want to do it for as short a duration as possible. I've already noticed my fasted glucose numbers are in the low 90's, so I'm concerned about insulin resistance. I may do it for 3 or 4 months, max. Thank you for all the other advice as well, I will incorporate it into my recovery plan. Any particular brand you recommend for the bioactive collagen peptides?

I used this one Marine Kollagen - 300 Tabletten - Hochdosiert mit 3000 Tagesportion -

As it has hydrolysed collagen and MSM, Glucosamin however actually i would supplement these additionally anyways meaning MSM + Glucosamin + Chondroitin on top of the collagen peptides

 

[AllGoodThings]

Hammer Berberine, ALA, Inositol and Chromium with every meal (More is more). Optionally bring oit the big guns: Reta/Tirz or even Metformin

I'm currently on 3mg/week of Reta, should I go higher? I wasn't aware of it specifically helping with acute injury, that's interesting.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

I had considered this, but I want to do it for as short a duration as possible. I've already noticed my fasted glucose numbers are in the low 90's, so I'm concerned about insulin resistance. I may do it for 3 or 4 months, max. Thank you for all the other advice as well, I will incorporate it into my recovery plan. Any particular brand you recommend for the bioactive collagen peptides?

Type I – Found in tendons, ligaments, skin, bone → key for long-term tendon and ligament strength, scar tissue formation, and bone healing.

Type II – Found in cartilage and joints → key for maintaining and repairing joint cartilage and providing shock absorption.

Type III – Found in skin, blood vessels, organs, and early tendon repair → key for early-stage tendon/ligament healing and adding elasticity before Type I takes over.

For tendon injuries → prioritize Type I (strength) + Type III (early repair), add Type II only if cartilage/joint damage is also present.


I just ket Chatgpt summarize this again, you might want to add additional Type III to this product as it only has 5% Type III ans in my opinion:

Yes the differnet type have somehhat differnet roles but cant hurt to get much of ever type.

Because for me it was: i want to heal as fast as possible and money doesnt matter for this right now. So basically i took from every thing a very high dosages.

Ans in my opinion taking a high amaount of collagenpeptides (+ the other stuff) together with healing peptides makes a huge difference, because well you cant build something if the material for it ismt there and with the MSM + Glucosamin + Chondroitin i had the feeling that my tendon didnt get stiff dueing healing but may have been placebo

Ah and i linked you tablets but i woukd get the poweder as its cheaper and as long as its hydrocollagen it should be fine.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

I'm currently on 3mg/week of Reta, should I go higher? I wasn't aware of it specifically helping with acute injury, that's interesting.

You are on Reat and still have Insulin problems? Maybe Metformin is tge right choice.

 

[AllGoodThings]

Here is what I take for over the counter supplements;

DHEA 25mg 2x/day
Pregnenolone 20mg 2x/day
Bio Curcumin (turmeric extract) 400mg 2x/day
Grape seed extract 200mg AM 200mg PM
Vit A 1500mcg/day
Benfotiamine 300mg 2x/day
TTFD 200mg 2x/day
Thiamine HCl 125mg/day
Riboflavin 125mg/day
Niacin 150mg/day
Vit B6 175mg/day
Folate 967mcg/day
Vit B12 (Methylated) 1100mcg/day
Vit C 1115mg 4x/day
Vit D3 250mcg/day
Vit K1(phytonadione) 1000mcg/day
Vit K2(menaquinone-4) 1000mcg/day
Vitamin K2(trans menaquinone-7) 200mcg/day
Iodine 1000mcg/day
Tocotrienol-Tocopherol complex 162.5mg AM 162.5mg PM
Pantothenic Acid 550mg/day
Iodine 150mcg/day
Magnesium (elemental) via magnesium taurate and Bisglycinate, 300mg 4x/day
Magnesium L-threonate 144mg before bed
Iron (ferrous bisglycinate) 20mg AM 20mg PM
Zinc 25mg/day
Selenium 200mcg/day
Manganese 2mg/day
Chromium 200mcg/day
Calcium 60mg AM 60mg PM
Molybdenum 100mcg/day
Inositol 50mg/day
Alpha Lipoic Acid 125mg/day
CoQ10 200mg AM 400mg preworkout 200mg PM
Milk Thistle Extract 210mg/day
Olive leaf extract 500mg AM 500mg PM
Citrus Bergamot 500mg AM 500mg PM
Green tea extract (66% EGCG) 300mg AM 300mg PM
Garlic Extract 200mg AM 200mg PM
(Allicin 2000mcg AM 2000mcg PM)
Pycrinil Artichoke extr.125mg AM 125mg PM (5% cynaropicrin)
Pomegranate Extract 100mg AM 100mg PM (30% Punicalagin)
Licorice dry extract 100mg AM 100mg PM (2% glabridin)
Coenzyme Q10 100mg AM 300mg PM
Black seed oil powder (10:1) 50 mg AM 50mg PM
Astaxanthin 5mg AM 5mg PM
Ox Bile Powder extract 500mg AM 500mg PM
Tauroursodeoxycholic ACID (TUDCA) 400mg AM 400mg PM
L-Choline Bitartrate 400mg AM 400mg PM
Inositol 400mg AM 400mg PM
Diindolylmethane (DIM) 100mg AM 100mg PM
Quercetin 600mg/day
Marigold Extract 11mg/day
Apigenin 5mg/day
Boron 3mg/day
Lycopene 1mg/day
Biotin 1300mg/day
NAC 2400mg AM 2400mg before bed
Red Yeast Rice 1200mg/day
Alfalfa 50mg/day
Beet Root 50mg/day
Burdock Root 50mg/day
Nettle Leaf 50mg/day
Red Raspberry Leaf 50mg/day
Trimethylglycine 1500mg AM 2250mg PM
5-HTP 300mg before bed
Zinc Gluconate 30mg before bed
Pyridoxine-5'-Phosphate 100mg before bed
Glycine 4g AM, 4g before bed
D-Ribose 15g intra-workout
L-Glutamine 15g before bed
Methylene Blue 5mg pre-workout
Glutathione 600mg every 6 days (IM)

 

[Ateam2023]

Hammer Berberine, ALA, Inositol and Chromium with every meal (More is more). Optionally bring oit the big guns: Reta/Tirz or even Metformin

what does "more is more" mean ? more is better?

 

[Ateam2023]

I'm currently on 3mg/week of Reta, should I go higher? I wasn't aware of it specifically helping with acute injury, that's interesting.

this is very good,,

 

[Ateam2023]

Here is what I take for over the counter supplements;

DHEA 25mg 2x/day
Pregnenolone 20mg 2x/day
Bio Curcumin (turmeric extract) 400mg 2x/day
Grape seed extract 200mg AM 200mg PM
Vit A 1500mcg/day
Benfotiamine 300mg 2x/day
TTFD 200mg 2x/day
Thiamine HCl 125mg/day
Riboflavin 125mg/day
Niacin 150mg/day
Vit B6 175mg/day
Folate 967mcg/day
Vit B12 (Methylated) 1100mcg/day
Vit C 1115mg 4x/day
Vit D3 250mcg/day
Vit K1(phytonadione) 1000mcg/day
Vit K2(menaquinone-4) 1000mcg/day
Vitamin K2(trans menaquinone-7) 200mcg/day
Iodine 1000mcg/day
Tocotrienol-Tocopherol complex 162.5mg AM 162.5mg PM
Pantothenic Acid 550mg/day
Iodine 150mcg/day
Magnesium (elemental) via magnesium taurate and Bisglycinate, 300mg 4x/day
Magnesium L-threonate 144mg before bed
Iron (ferrous bisglycinate) 20mg AM 20mg PM
Zinc 25mg/day
Selenium 200mcg/day
Manganese 2mg/day
Chromium 200mcg/day
Calcium 60mg AM 60mg PM
Molybdenum 100mcg/day
Inositol 50mg/day
Alpha Lipoic Acid 125mg/day
CoQ10 200mg AM 400mg preworkout 200mg PM
Milk Thistle Extract 210mg/day
Olive leaf extract 500mg AM 500mg PM
Citrus Bergamot 500mg AM 500mg PM
Green tea extract (66% EGCG) 300mg AM 300mg PM
Garlic Extract 200mg AM 200mg PM
(Allicin 2000mcg AM 2000mcg PM)
Pycrinil Artichoke extr.125mg AM 125mg PM (5% cynaropicrin)
Pomegranate Extract 100mg AM 100mg PM (30% Punicalagin)
Licorice dry extract 100mg AM 100mg PM (2% glabridin)
Coenzyme Q10 100mg AM 300mg PM
Black seed oil powder (10:1) 50 mg AM 50mg PM
Astaxanthin 5mg AM 5mg PM
Ox Bile Powder extract 500mg AM 500mg PM
Tauroursodeoxycholic ACID (TUDCA) 400mg AM 400mg PM
L-Choline Bitartrate 400mg AM 400mg PM
Inositol 400mg AM 400mg PM
Diindolylmethane (DIM) 100mg AM 100mg PM
Quercetin 600mg/day
Marigold Extract 11mg/day
Apigenin 5mg/day
Boron 3mg/day
Lycopene 1mg/day
Biotin 1300mg/day
NAC 2400mg AM 2400mg before bed
Red Yeast Rice 1200mg/day
Alfalfa 50mg/day
Beet Root 50mg/day
Burdock Root 50mg/day
Nettle Leaf 50mg/day
Red Raspberry Leaf 50mg/day
Trimethylglycine 1500mg AM 2250mg PM
5-HTP 300mg before bed
Zinc Gluconate 30mg before bed
Pyridoxine-5'-Phosphate 100mg before bed
Glycine 4g AM, 4g before bed
D-Ribose 15g intra-workout
L-Glutamine 15g before bed
Methylene Blue 5mg pre-workout
Glutathione 600mg every 6 days (IM)

you take that everyday? How many pills is that?

 

[Ateam2023]

Here is what I take for over the counter supplements;

DHEA 25mg 2x/day
Pregnenolone 20mg 2x/day
Bio Curcumin (turmeric extract) 400mg 2x/day
Grape seed extract 200mg AM 200mg PM
Vit A 1500mcg/day
Benfotiamine 300mg 2x/day
TTFD 200mg 2x/day
Thiamine HCl 125mg/day
Riboflavin 125mg/day
Niacin 150mg/day
Vit B6 175mg/day
Folate 967mcg/day
Vit B12 (Methylated) 1100mcg/day
Vit C 1115mg 4x/day
Vit D3 250mcg/day
Vit K1(phytonadione) 1000mcg/day
Vit K2(menaquinone-4) 1000mcg/day
Vitamin K2(trans menaquinone-7) 200mcg/day
Iodine 1000mcg/day
Tocotrienol-Tocopherol complex 162.5mg AM 162.5mg PM
Pantothenic Acid 550mg/day
Iodine 150mcg/day
Magnesium (elemental) via magnesium taurate and Bisglycinate, 300mg 4x/day
Magnesium L-threonate 144mg before bed
Iron (ferrous bisglycinate) 20mg AM 20mg PM
Zinc 25mg/day
Selenium 200mcg/day
Manganese 2mg/day
Chromium 200mcg/day
Calcium 60mg AM 60mg PM
Molybdenum 100mcg/day
Inositol 50mg/day
Alpha Lipoic Acid 125mg/day
CoQ10 200mg AM 400mg preworkout 200mg PM
Milk Thistle Extract 210mg/day
Olive leaf extract 500mg AM 500mg PM
Citrus Bergamot 500mg AM 500mg PM
Green tea extract (66% EGCG) 300mg AM 300mg PM
Garlic Extract 200mg AM 200mg PM
(Allicin 2000mcg AM 2000mcg PM)
Pycrinil Artichoke extr.125mg AM 125mg PM (5% cynaropicrin)
Pomegranate Extract 100mg AM 100mg PM (30% Punicalagin)
Licorice dry extract 100mg AM 100mg PM (2% glabridin)
Coenzyme Q10 100mg AM 300mg PM
Black seed oil powder (10:1) 50 mg AM 50mg PM
Astaxanthin 5mg AM 5mg PM
Ox Bile Powder extract 500mg AM 500mg PM
Tauroursodeoxycholic ACID (TUDCA) 400mg AM 400mg PM
L-Choline Bitartrate 400mg AM 400mg PM
Inositol 400mg AM 400mg PM
Diindolylmethane (DIM) 100mg AM 100mg PM
Quercetin 600mg/day
Marigold Extract 11mg/day
Apigenin 5mg/day
Boron 3mg/day
Lycopene 1mg/day
Biotin 1300mg/day
NAC 2400mg AM 2400mg before bed
Red Yeast Rice 1200mg/day
Alfalfa 50mg/day
Beet Root 50mg/day
Burdock Root 50mg/day
Nettle Leaf 50mg/day
Red Raspberry Leaf 50mg/day
Trimethylglycine 1500mg AM 2250mg PM
5-HTP 300mg before bed
Zinc Gluconate 30mg before bed
Pyridoxine-5'-Phosphate 100mg before bed
Glycine 4g AM, 4g before bed
D-Ribose 15g intra-workout
L-Glutamine 15g before bed
Methylene Blue 5mg pre-workout
Glutathione 600mg every 6 days (IM)

i bet all that gets expensive every month,,

 

[AllGoodThings]

you take that everyday? How many pills is that?

i bet all that gets expensive every month,,

A good bit of the individual items I listed are in multi-ingredient products, but yeah, it's not cheap and it's a lot of pills. I haven't updated that list since adding a few things, but I can't remember what's missing at the moment, except taurine at 3g/day. I have no trouble swallowing huge handfuls of pills at once (insert joke), so it's not bad. I want to say it's probably a good bit over 100 individual pills a day. I'll have to count them one of these days, I'm curious now.

 

[AllGoodThings]

this is very good,,

Thank you, I actually use this brand for creatine, best creatine I've found so far texture-wise. Dissolves instantly, and independent testing showed it was a very good product.